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My kid is grown (thank Christ) and my aging ovaries are just CRYING OUT for another, I swear, every EGG tells me it's name.
I'm not falling for it. Nope. LOL.
If there is one thing I am afraid I would ENJOY seeing (in a train wreck kind of way) it would be DCS (at least in my state) attempting to enforce vaping in any way.
They are by FAR the least competent agency I have encountered so far in Arizona and that is saying A LOT.
If you are on a case plan your ONLY hope is that you get someone who is like, "Yeah they paid for my education I am putting in my 2 years to pay them back ,I can't WAIT to get out of here, this agency is insane."
Also, DCS SUPERVISORS are among the most hateful and miserable people I have ever met. EVER.
Anna
I'm not falling for it. Nope. LOL.
If there is one thing I am afraid I would ENJOY seeing (in a train wreck kind of way) it would be DCS (at least in my state) attempting to enforce vaping in any way.
They are by FAR the least competent agency I have encountered so far in Arizona and that is saying A LOT.
If you are on a case plan your ONLY hope is that you get someone who is like, "Yeah they paid for my education I am putting in my 2 years to pay them back ,I can't WAIT to get out of here, this agency is insane."
Also, DCS SUPERVISORS are among the most hateful and miserable people I have ever met. EVER.
Anna
I think there will be a ton of enforcement warning letters sent to all the major manufacturers and distributors sometime soon after the deadline, they should have a pretty good list of any registered products on hand. If they scale up the threats of punitive action many will just fold up their cards and leave the party.
The fact that so many new products are are on the market with the FDA seeming to have a blind eye is rather perplexing though. This whole Deeming thing has been like watching a huge, contradictory, confused, lumbering giant, slowly creeping along, and casting a big shadow... maybe even they don't know where and how hard they will swing their club at this market.
As for personal stashes, I have zero fears of any government concern there.
So, what is going to happen ?.
Well, the writing is already on the wall. The "Vape industry" is to blame for being consistently irresponsible from the very start. The government knows it, and big tobacco knows it too. And if you aren't in government then no one is going to listen to you anyway.
It's already been said that eventually big tobacco will own the industry.
So 2+2 and all that. In the end "EVERYONE" will blame big tobacco.........
.............because big tobacco will own the industry.
(The blame will be passed from the existing vape industry to the Big Tobacco owned industry).
It's all their fault.........right ?!.
And everyone will be completely complacent about who they blame too.
So, that is actually what is going to happen.
Well, the writing is already on the wall. The "Vape industry" is to blame for being consistently irresponsible from the very start. The government knows it, and big tobacco knows it too. And if you aren't in government then no one is going to listen to you anyway.
It's already been said that eventually big tobacco will own the industry.
So 2+2 and all that. In the end "EVERYONE" will blame big tobacco.........
.............because big tobacco will own the industry.
(The blame will be passed from the existing vape industry to the Big Tobacco owned industry).
It's all their fault.........right ?!.
And everyone will be completely complacent about who they blame too.
So, that is actually what is going to happen.
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I think there was a Time when those who saw e-Cigarettes as a Boon to Smokers and Public Health at the Population level still had a voice at the table.
And there was a degree of Common Sense when it came to the Actual Ability (or more precisely - Lack of Ability) of someone like the FDA to control Teen Use was still that, Common Sense.
But those Days are Over.
The Commissionaire of the FDA jumped ship when the Teen Use numbers, and those who Present the teen use numbers, couldn't be controlled. And then the tag-team CDC/Media smear campaign was launched.
So here are.
The reason new products keep popping up is that the Chinese don't care if they can sell them to us in the future. The US just isn't a huge vaping market in the first place. Several Asian countries have more vapers than here, and per capita use is much higher in Europe. We're not a big enough market to do anything special for.
There are established retail sellers of nic operating outside the US. May be they are shipping to the US. May be they will continue to do that. May be customs will not try or will not be able to stop small package shipments of niic.
The ecig industry in the US may know the status of nic after May 20th. Why should they tell us? And the US nic sellers would rather we buy now than later. I haven't noticed anywhere that the FDA has clarified the issue. What do vapers in europe have to do to get nic for DIY? There must be a few Europeons or Brits on this forum who know about that.
The shame in all this is the damage already done to the public's health. People have surely died already who might still be alive.
The ecig industry in the US may know the status of nic after May 20th. Why should they tell us? And the US nic sellers would rather we buy now than later. I haven't noticed anywhere that the FDA has clarified the issue. What do vapers in europe have to do to get nic for DIY? There must be a few Europeons or Brits on this forum who know about that.
The shame in all this is the damage already done to the public's health. People have surely died already who might still be alive.
Oh Chinese Manufactures care. They Care a Lot.
But if the US Tank/Mod Market is Lost, it Isn't the only Egg in their Basket.
Really? In what way has the industry been "irresponsible from the very start"?
My understanding is that in terms of sales in Dollars or Yuan, it is the biggest single market in the world.
I think the "vape everywhere and here's the current law," cards were kind of irresponsible to be honest. I mean, the minute I read it, I was like, "Oh, the US is not going to stand for THIS!"
Don't get me wrong I was as irresponsible as the next vaper, I totally vaped where I could thanks to the law.
But people just don't care to see what looks like smoke, even if it isn't.. I mean, it sort of didn't matter, and it was (IMHO) a huge boon to get to see vapers around as a smoker and find out the deal, etc.
The cards should have read something like "It is like, LEGAL to vape everywhere but for God's sake use your discretion, eventually people are not GOING to want you pluming up their areas."
Something. IDK. It was great when I could vape at my desk WITH vaping patients, who were also allowed to vape. (I was working in a methadone clinic I should specify there were a TON of vapors.)
The canniest staff member (he had an oxygen tank and actually INTROED me to vaping ,and (before I realized what it was a Provari, telling me it was the "best vape on the market) would go outside and vape with the smoking patients so that he like, had the appearance of being an outdoor vaper. He knew.
It was not that long before HR stepped in, the government, etc.
IDK I suppose the cards were really a small deal but hold crud I was like, "WHY would THEY WRITE THAT" in all sincerity.
I think vaping was doomed from the start. It's too effective. It's too "nice" compared to smoking.
Smokers are supposed to die a horrible death like they deserve, not vape FLAVORS.
Puritanism.
I am actually surprised it is taking this long and it's probably ONLY because they want to figure out how to allow big tobacco to capture the market.
Anna
Don't get me wrong I was as irresponsible as the next vaper, I totally vaped where I could thanks to the law.
But people just don't care to see what looks like smoke, even if it isn't.. I mean, it sort of didn't matter, and it was (IMHO) a huge boon to get to see vapers around as a smoker and find out the deal, etc.
The cards should have read something like "It is like, LEGAL to vape everywhere but for God's sake use your discretion, eventually people are not GOING to want you pluming up their areas."
Something. IDK. It was great when I could vape at my desk WITH vaping patients, who were also allowed to vape. (I was working in a methadone clinic I should specify there were a TON of vapors.)
The canniest staff member (he had an oxygen tank and actually INTROED me to vaping ,and (before I realized what it was a Provari, telling me it was the "best vape on the market) would go outside and vape with the smoking patients so that he like, had the appearance of being an outdoor vaper. He knew.
It was not that long before HR stepped in, the government, etc.
IDK I suppose the cards were really a small deal but hold crud I was like, "WHY would THEY WRITE THAT" in all sincerity.
I think vaping was doomed from the start. It's too effective. It's too "nice" compared to smoking.
Smokers are supposed to die a horrible death like they deserve, not vape FLAVORS.
Puritanism.
I am actually surprised it is taking this long and it's probably ONLY because they want to figure out how to allow big tobacco to capture the market.
Anna
Yeah, I think we're still a big enough market for China to care about. But the biggest sales in the US I imagine are our domestic eliquid manufacturers. Nobody much orders that from overseas much??
Why don't we hear from them? They would be the ones with all the cash to throw at lawyers and Washington shouldn't they?
I saw some Statistics awhile back and what was kinda Eye Popping was Not the Total Numbers. Or the Per-Capita numbers. It was the Dollars Spent per Individual Vaper that were Stratospheric as compared to other Countries.
Seem like American Vapers just buy a Lot More Mods/Tanks/RTA's/RDA than anyone else. Hence, as Rossum mentioned, we have the Largest Dollar Market Share.
Their inability to regulate "themselves", illustrating a complete lack of integrity !.
No different to a tobacco salesman selling cigarettes to minors.
So the government are going to close the loop and everyone can blame the tobacco industry for everything. I think it's called "taking the piss".
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That... Or maybe Americans genetically are more predisposed to Shinitis?
Lol. But, but, I NEED to stock up!! For the thing that might be happening someday. It's all about my health, so no criticism!!
That is what I have read also, American's have tons of vices and vaping is a pretty big one.
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