Some homemade attys and genesis

[Turbo]

Cos, Amen and thank you. This guy Akya has been a pain in my ax ever since I put out the idea of an American co-op for raidy's genisis. By the way, yes I am still working on the co-op. I have been working my regular job overtime this week and it has been rough to meet with people.

To Akya - you have emailed so many times trying to pump me for info.....then stating you have a machinist friend and will do it first. This is not a competition, in fact it is probably going to be a pain. It isn't about first, it is about trying to get something done here, in inch measurements, to help the people that couldn't get one of POC's and also so we can find replacement parts easier. I told you before to be my guest, build it and let me know what the cost will be. At this point, I would like you to tell me if you have even built or used a genisis because I doubt that you have. Please go play somewhere else.

I thought something was up when he posted in the 'Vetrans' thread looking for a Genisis atty...

On a different tip, I think we should look closely at 'persis' design and see what we can adopt from it, plus our other thoughts. All this if 'raidy' approves of course.

 

[Quick1]

It's all really simple and straightforward. Raidy said he has a patent on the Genisis. You just need to see what he has patented. If what you want to produce is covered by the patent then you would have to ask him first or risk him defending his patent. Simple. Probably the easiest thing would be to ask him.

 

[rico]

i dont understand i want only one atomizer with tanksystem that i can change my life ,but not a people help me, i hope i dont become canser in the next years,what is the problem from raidy when i become from experts in this forum one hybrid ,what is the problem ?This forum and we are all sreach many time for a good longtime comfortable option and all e-cig are not perfect but the hybrid is more then better ,you dont buy every time standart china bad atomizer and dont fill any time juice in depots and you can longtime e-smoking ,why many hardcore smoker dont become help from raidy ,i dont understand this ,why only become 50 persons the hybrid and i dont become a chance ,many people smoke back analog and have problems with the bad china atomizer ,and why not a expert can make a hybrid for only this people that smoke to much analog ,you help for more healthcare ??!!!please help me ,where can only make for me a hybrid ?

 

[RatInDaHat]

if it is patented he also should have a patent number which should spell out everything that he claims is unique to his system.

I wasn't endorsing riping off a design, but we all build on the shoulders of those before us and add our own flavor.

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I have an issue with this argument. Raidy didn't invent the atomizer either. Nobody rips off Toyota's designs and builds their own (believe me, I would love if some American car manufacturer would breech this bit of etiquette, but they refuse to build a solid, reliable car at a reasonable price).

In the same way, this design is Raidy's. If someone wants to go off and invent a different atomizer for profit, that's all well and good, but they shouldn't take his hard work for their gain.

Toyota has used variable valve timing though, right? That is actually a technology that started at GM from what i could find out.

Basically, innovate and then sell something.

 

[BorisTheSpider]

if it is patented he also should have a patent number which should spell out everything that he claims is unique to his system.

I wasn't endorsing riping off a design, but we all build on the shoulders of those before us and add our own flavor.

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Toyota has used variable valve timing though, right? That is actually a technology that started at GM from what i could find out.

Basically, innovate and then sell something.

I wasn't really trying to pick a fight. Perhaps I chose my words poorly but I'm afraid at this point we'll just start arguing semantics - especially if we continue the car metaphor. What I'm getting at is that the specific innovations Raidy has created should be used with the conditions under which he shared them. They are his signature.

However, I think Quick said it best so it's probably not worth debating any further. Ultimately, it will depend on what Raidy has patented or copyrighted, and anyone wishing to profit from his design should speak to him first.

 

[RatInDaHat]

i agree.

guess i should make one sometime.

 

[BorisTheSpider]

Since I don't have the tools (or ability) to machine parts, and getting them machined is fairly expensive, I was wondering - has anyone found something castable we can buy in the US which we could use to make endcaps? Something similar to Stewalin? What about some ceramic or other clay of some kind? Ideally, I would like to make a mold and cast the parts as Jensb did. I would also settle for something like a clay which can be done without a kiln. I know sculpey has pvc in it, so it may be out for being so close to a heat source. Were there any other ideas? Is there maybe some type of glaze I can use at home to cover a material that is not deemed food-safe?

 

[rico]

what is this for a kind,only they people can make self the hybrid they are good in electronics and have the stuff for making, and other people they are not good in electronic works can not make self a hybrid with tanksystem?This is not korrect and human from raidy,we are all serach for a good healthcare option and this secrets patends or other .... law is not good for all e-smokers,why we are make not and sell a good tanksytem with a new longlife atomizer for more healthcare,why why only 50 person become a chance and other not ,this is not the reight way !

we are smoke the bad china atomizer or analog cigarettes,the normal standart china atomizer is not good for lungs and healthcare and we are only order and order from china ,but all big problems we can destroy when all e-smokers become a good longlife modder atomizer with tanksystem ,this is more bettter for all and more healthcare smoking then the other bad e-cigarettes and the bad standart china atomizer !WE want the next level and want not so many order every time order from china or other seller we want a good hybrid what is the problem when experts sell only for forum-user or peopele they smoke to much analog or dont want the other bad e-cig stuff smoke ,raidy you help more people that not smoke analog or bad healthcare atomizer when you give free for people they want hybrids,when you a human people but now you help only 50 people not more and this is not correct !

i hope a other modder expert make a better longlife atomizer tanksystem for all ,this guy is a hero

please help me i pay for a expert the money with paypal and make me a hybrid with tanksytem,please pm for me.

 

[asdaq]

Was someone around here asking about a ban or something? Huh?

Ahh Boris, as far as I know a substitute for Stewalin hasn't been found, but with ceramics l3oertije did a small one and fired it with a torch. being such a small part a kiln isn't really necessary, and the shrinkage was negligible.

I quite like Persis's design too, was wondering how to get it thinner and not need to have bends in the negative lead. I'm not sure I follow all the screws and parts in the bottom, but that's OK.

 

[BorisTheSpider]

rico - I hope English is not your native language because it is very hard to understand you. Before you put words in a translator, use punctuation and capitalization so we can see a better translation.

What I think you are saying is "I want somebody to make this and sell it to me." The problem is this: In order for it to last, you must perform maintenance on it. If you are capable of maintaining it this way, you should be capable of building one in the first place. In fact, you must be capable of doing this work to get it to work how you want. Some like more or less heat, flavor, vapor, or throat hit. It will be much less expensive for you to make one yourself also.

Even so, Raidy's newer atomizer will probably be revealed in the next few months. He has patents on that one also, but it sounds like he will have it manufactured so you can buy it. It should be every bit as quality as this one, and maybe even better. So wait a few months and you can buy one of the newer ones from Raidy.

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asdaq, thank you for the reply. I never was sure if l3oertije just fired it with a torch or if that was some kind of pre-treatment in the photo. Would it make sense to use ceramic and put a glaze on it? A less porous glaze will have less of a capillary effect than just ceramic, if any juice gets onto the part. I guess that would be awfully hard to do, but I'm sure it's possible.

How would you regulate the temperature using a torch? I can probably find ceramic and glaze (if desired) at a local craft store, but does anyone have any specific recommendations for brands or types?

Also, forgive me, but I read about 2000-3000 posts between the two threads in just a few days so I forget - which design was Persis's?

Oh, one mroe question I just thought of - I haven't seen one yet (I don't think so anyhow) that doesn't have the wires running through the tank. Has anyone tried one like that yet?

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I figure it's better to keep editing than double and triple posting. I just stumbled onto a handful of things, and I haven't seen them mentioned yet. Anyone have any experience with or thoughts on any of these:

Steralloy
Dental acrylic resin. Sounds safe because its normal purpose is to stay in your mouth.
Same, but heat cured instead.
TASK Series liquid plastics. All have their MSDS right there.

There are also a number of two-part compounds on McMaster-Carr which are food-safe.

 

[RatInDaHat]

where are you thinking about having the wires run?

 

[BorisTheSpider]

where are you thinking about having the wires run?

A simple solution is a set of screws like a few people posted a few pages back. One nut holds the battery attached to each post, and another attaches the kanthal. It would provide a few fun options for overall PV design. You could have a bottle hang from the bottom, or off to one side, or any number of things. You would no longer be bound to having the power supply directly beneath the atomizer or bottle.

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Plus, you wouldn't have to deal with ensuring the safety of the wires running through the juice.

Also, you could then have a threaded (or otherwise easy to open) bottle attached to the genesis, which would allow much easier refilling.

 

[asdaq]

# 2295 in this thread, here's a refresher:

I don't know if the firing was regulated for the ceramic at a certain temperature at all. It's been awhile but I think SS tubing was set in the ceramic before it was cured.

 

[cos]

Hey guys and gals
Turbo mentioned last week about considering 'persis' genisis atty design. He made a great point and i for one would love to have a genisis atty like this. BTW asdaq thanks for posting the pics. I mean a genisis atty that is put together like this and without any soldering. Rock Woman being you started this new thing about making more attys and in the USA what is your thoughts on this? anybody else please post your thoughts. Persis did an excellent job on this. I know there is so much talent on this forum that this could be done. anyway im just ramblin before i go outside and pick Florida weeks from Hell.
also i am rebuilding my Genisis and yesterday when i fired the button it shorted out thus collapsing the spring. you guys know once it collapses if you stretch it again it doesnt stay. Where can i find another spring like this. Temporarily i just put a spring inside but it doesnt stay and is not permanent. any ideas?
Hope everyone has a great weekend. I have a big honey do list to do this weekend so i will check back tonite and hopefully read any replies. I was replacing the silver wire on the Genisis with stainless steel syringes but i couldn't solder the wire to it nor the little RC part on top to hold the Kanthall wire. So after a few hrs of trying to solder this and crimping the syringe nothing worked for me so i guess i will have to go back to using the silver wire. I will have to ask around in some stores how i can solder stainless steel. But with all this soldering i am doing even though its not successful my soldering skills are getting lot better lol.

 

[Rock Woman]

Cos, I agree that the modification by Persis for the connections is the way to go. Try as I might I cannot totally figure out how it is locked in and making a solid connection on the battery end though. Is it like a compression fitting that is used in plumbing? I like the idea though of a mini compression fitting so that needle tubing could be used instead of silver wire. I also thought that we could explore a collar for the atty to press fit into so that folks could change out to suit themselves. Sure I could make it a dedicated 510 but is that the best way to go? Let me know what you all think.I have mostly 510 gear so that works for me.

 

[Turbo]

Maybe 'persis' will be by, if not maybe PM him? As you know, I'm in favor of adopting his ideas on this co-op.

 

[eyebrook]

Hi Guys and Ladies, if the Coop gets of the ground with Persis mods i would be very interested, I am a nooby but have read this post and the genisis post from beginning to end. Looking forward to see where this goes

 

[Rock Woman]

Turbo, I have been in touch with Persis. The big question is....are you going to demand a damn light in your tank? I know you like your bling so we better get this out of the way early on.

 

[Gummy Bear]

Turbo, I have been in touch with Persis. The big question is....are you going to demand a damn light in your tank? I know you like your bling so we better get this out of the way early on.

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can I get an MP3 player in there too.

 

[Rock Woman]

Oh I like that idea for a mod