Someone tell me how/why E-cigarettes are healthier than traditional Cigarettes

[asmcriminal]

I have to interview someone who has an opposing belief to mine. I believe that e-cigarettes are not any healthier than traditional cigarettes. (but no hate on vaping, I vape myself)

My questions are:

Do you think electronic cigarettes are healthier than traditional (tobacco) cigarettes? Why?

Do you think electronic cigarettes are harmful to the human body?

Any feedback helps!

Here is a question to you... Why do you believe it's not healthier? What evidence or proof do you have? None. Just because you "feel" it's not healthier, does not mean it is not. You need to use logic, not feelings. It's not good to randomly believe things with out any facts. That's how flat-earthers are created.

There is a big difference from smoke and vapor. When you burn something(like a cigarette) it burns. When you evaporate a liquid(like water) it produces vapor.

Burning things usually releases carcinogens(cancer promoting) substances. Vaping does not. A good example is a charred piece of meat. Charred meat is carcinogenic, meat that is not chared is not.

Cigarettes have hundreds of chemicals(Many of them are Toxic). Vaping does not.

Nicotine is addictive, but it is not really a problem. It's similar to caffeine, it's just more addictive. A lot of people drink coffee and soda every day without any issues.

Can vaping be harmful? I am a former chemist and I can tell you that the molecules in vaping(PG/VG) are too large to penetrate the lungs. The biggest concern is probably what goes into e-juice. But regardless, vaping is "harm REDUCTION." No one is saying it is "harmless." Would you rather drop a sledgehammer on your toe or a ball peen hammer? Either situation is not good but one is a hell lot better than the other.

 

[Zakillah]

I am a former chemist and I can tell you that the molecules in vaping(PG/VG) are too large to penetrate the lungs.

PG/VG arent exactly large molecules. Asbestos has larger molecules/particle size and penetrates lungs just fine. Thats because we dont have a "molecular filter" installed. Anything around 3µm will be able to penetrate right into our alveoles. Molecules are much, much (1000 to 10 000 times) smaller.

What matters is Asbestos is solid fibers and PG/VG are liquids. Water soluable liquids that the body can clean out easily unlike, say, water unsoluable cigarette tar and tiny solid particles that are present in cigarette smoke.

 

[asmcriminal]

PG/VG arent exactly large molecules. Asbestos has larger molecules/particle size and penetrates lungs just fine. Thats because we dont have a "molecular filter" installed. Anything around 3µm will be able to penetrate right into our alveoles. Molecules are much, much (1000 to 10 000 times) smaller.

What matters is Asbestos is solid fibers and PG/VG are liquids. Water soluable liquids that the body can clean out easily unlike, say, water unsoluable cigarette tar and tiny solid particles that are present in cigarette smoke.

I did a quick search on Asbestos and it appears to be a localized issue. Thus, I don't think it penetrates the lungs and goes into the bloodstream. Most issues are things like lung cancer, mesothelioma, and breathing problems, thus the issues are localized.

PG and VG are not water soluble. The issue with tar is that it solidifies in our lungs.

 

[untar]

PG and VG are not water soluble

Incorrect. Look into any chemicals chart. You'll find "miscible", which contradicts your statement they're not water soluble.

 

[asmcriminal]

Incorrect. Look into any chemicals chart. You'll find "miscible", which contradicts your statement they're not water soluble.

I know it's minuscule. Did you know lead, copper, and almost everything is water soluble? The solubility of these elements/compounds is also minuscule. The solubility is insignificant.

 

[sdennislee]

I did a quick search on Asbestos and it appears to be a localized issue. Thus, I don't think it penetrates the lungs and goes into the bloodstream. Most issues are things like lung cancer, mesothelioma, and breathing problems, thus the issues are localized.

PG and VG are not water soluble. The issue with tar is that it solidifies in our lungs.

Both are water soluble.

Is vegetable glycerin water soluble?
When it comes to natural, deeply penetrating moisture for your skin, it doesn’t get much better than vegetable glycerine. Also called glycerol and glycerin, pure vegetable glycerine is a water-soluble sugar alcohol that comes from a variety of plant oils, including soy, palm, coconut and corn.

Propylene glycol solubility
Propylene glycol (also known as 1,2 propanediol) is a relatively small molecule with two alcohol (hydroxyl) groups (-OH). It is a colorless, odorless liquid that is completely water-soluble. PG is a synthetic product obtained from the hydration of propylene oxide, which is derived from petroleum products.

 

[asmcriminal]

Both are water soluble.

Is vegetable glycerin water soluble?
When it comes to natural, deeply penetrating moisture for your skin, it doesn’t get much better than vegetable glycerine. Also called glycerol and glycerin, pure vegetable glycerine is a water-soluble sugar alcohol that comes from a variety of plant oils, including soy, palm, coconut and corn.

Propylene glycol solubility
Propylene glycol (also known as 1,2 propanediol) is a relatively small molecule with two alcohol (hydroxyl) groups (-OH). It is a colorless, odorless liquid that is completely water-soluble. PG is a synthetic product obtained from the hydration of propylene oxide, which is derived from petroleum products.

VG is derived from plant OILS. PG is derived from PETROLEUM. Are those water soluable? No.

This is a water molecule.

See those little negative signs near the oxygen? That's a partial negative charge. See the little positive sign by the Hs? That's a partially positive charge. This is called a polar molecule. It is charged. The positive sides atracted negative charges, and the negative side attracts positive charges.

This is molecle is VG. See any charges? None at all. They do not mix just like oil and water. This is called a non-polar molecule.

Acetone and ethanol(alcohol) are soluable in water. Notice the charges(polar bond)?

 

[sdennislee]

I guess we just need to agree it ok for you to be wrong. How do you interpret the phrase "Completely water soluble"?

 

[sdennislee]

Propylene glycol - Wikipedia
Propylene glycol (IUPAC name: propane-1,2-diol) is a synthetic organic compound with the chemical formula C3H8O2. It is a viscous, colorless liquid which is nearly odorless but possesses a faintly sweet taste. Chemically it is classed as a diol and is miscible with a broad range of solvents, including water, acetone, and chloroform.

Glycerol - Wikipedia
Glycerol (/ˈɡlɪsərɒl/;[5] also called glycerine or glycerin; see spelling differences) is a simple polyol compound. It is a colorless, odorless, viscousliquid that is sweet-tasting and non-toxic. The glycerol backbone is found in all lipids known as triglycerides. It is widely used in the food industry as a sweetener and humectant and in pharmaceutical formulations. Glycerol has three hydroxyl groups that are responsible for its solubility in water and its hygroscopic nature.[6]

 

[asmcriminal]

I guess we just need to agree it ok for you to be wrong. How do you interpret the phrase "Completely water soluble"?

Just because you say I am wrong that doesn't make it true. This is how science works. You need to back up your claim. Providing a Google link that tells you to search does not do that for you.

I already proved you wrong with facts and science. I need not say more until you provide a "valid" counter-argument. BTW, go stick some copper in water and watch it "minusculely" dissolve.

 

[asmcriminal]

Goodnight.

 

[untar]

VG is derived from plant OILS. PG is derived from PETROLEUM. Are those water soluable?

It is irrelevant what they're derived from, they are not oils and aren't hydrophobic. They're alcohols. Any source on any chemistry related site you like will do.

You need to back up your claim

For your assertion that the solubility is "minuscule" I'd like to see a source, or are you not bound to your own standards?

Thus, I don't think it penetrates the lungs and goes into the bloodstream.

That is incorrect as well.
Translocation pathways for inhaled asbestos fibers

 

[untar]

What do you think that image proves?

 

[sdennislee]

Have a good night I've wasted to much time on this already. I've shown you references to water solubility. Accept them or not doesn't matter to me.

I don't have time to watch copper dissolve, it would be quicker if you put a drop of pg and vg in water, will happen instantly, why you may ask, because it completely water soluble. See above where it lists water as a solvent.

 

[dripster]

The reliable scientific evidence to support the claim that e-cigarettes are 95% less harmful than combustible tobacco is overwhelming. Reliable is the key word, as every study that concluded vaping either is equally as harmful or is more harmful than smoking tobacco has been flawed beyond ridiculousness and therefore should be thrown in with superstitious anti-scientific scaremongering propaganda fueled with big bucks coming from Big Tobacco, Big Pharma, Fake Science, Greedy Quack Health Organizations, Yellow Journalism, Corrupt Politics, ultimately resulting in engineered beliefs among the general public, and that poses a huge immoral threat to public health exactly because the proof in favor of harm reduction is both astronomical and at least 5% clearer than a bell.

 

[Zakillah]

PG and VG are not water soluble. The issue with tar is that it solidifies in our lungs.

You sure you're a Chemist?

Edit:
You might give stirring/shaking a try if you want to mix two those two liquids. Then as a referance, try it again with water and oil.

Look, I analyse cigarette smoke in my daily job. I've seen more cigarette tar then you'll ever see in your lifetime. I clean it off smoke machines. It doesnt "solidify" and it wont do it in your lungs either. But it'll stick there regardless, as trying to wipe it off with water does nothing. Our body runs on water, so its hard to get it out of our lungs.

 

[sdennislee]

Goodnight.

I'll look it up tomorrow, could prove they different specific gravities (densities) and you need to add a spoon.

 

[asmcriminal]

What do you think that image proves?

It doesn't mix...

 

[asmcriminal]

I'll look it up tomorrow, could prove they different specific gravities (densities) and you need to add a spoon.

Sure they clearly do have different densities. If they have different densities will they mix? That's how separation works. What do you mean I need to add a spoon? To stir it? I already stirred it.

 

[untar]

It doesn't mix...

That is a complete overinterpretation from your side. It just shows you can layer it, nothing else.
I can layer water on top of caramel, does that mean caramel doesn't dissolve into water?