Someone tell me how/why E-cigarettes are healthier than traditional Cigarettes

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I have to interview someone who has an opposing belief to mine. I believe that e-cigarettes are not any healthier than traditional cigarettes. (but no hate on vaping, I vape myself)

My questions are:

Do you think electronic cigarettes are healthier than traditional (tobacco) cigarettes? Why?

Do you think electronic cigarettes are harmful to the human body?

Any feedback helps!


Well you need a visit to Library here! No shortage of the obvious and data to ba k it up.
No combustion is #1! Ie-no carcinagens from that
But learn the. Science, it abounds!
If you dont read alot go youtube regulator watch, Dr Farsolinas too many to name.
Dont ask us to do your homework, thats cheating.
Theres no evidence of harm to humans from vape. Again go to research or ifyou aremagazine type
Theres filtermag and others
Sorry Ive never been big on asking ppl to do your own work/research!
 

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I have to interview someone who has an opposing belief to mine. I believe that e-cigarettes are not any healthier than traditional cigarettes. (but no hate on vaping, I vape myself)

My questions are:

Do you think electronic cigarettes are healthier than traditional (tobacco) cigarettes? Why?

Do you think electronic cigarettes are harmful to the human body?

Any feedback helps!


Well you need a visit to Library here! No shortage of the obvious and data to back it up.
No combustion is #1! ie:no carcinogens from that
But learn the. Science, it abounds!
If you dont read alot go youtube regulator watch, Dr Farsolinas too many to name.
Dont ask us to do your homework, thats cheating.
Theres no evidence of harm to humans from vape. Again go to research or ifyou are magazine type
Theres filtermag and others
Sorry Ive never been big on asking ppl to do your own work/research!
 
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Okay, I will admit my wrong doing for the sake of the community. I proved myself wrong. I stirred it more vigorously and it does appear to have dissolved somewhat. There is still a meniscus though(separation of water and VG). I know the picture says PG but I made a mistake, I meant VG.

I oversimplified it in my mind. I know that some people dissolve waxes(to some extent) in PG and VG. Waxes are organic compounds. Wax does not dissolve in water. They need a similar solvent such as PG or VG. But there are exceptions. For example, acetone does dissolve in water and dissolves most organic compounds such as waxes. I'll see what happens tomorrow morning. I'll see if there is more separation.
 
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@arauschen The almost immediate beneficial effect on my health when I switched to vaping was enough for me at the time and that was about 6-7 years ago when the products were almost certainly of a lesser quality than the stuff out there today. In terms of 'healthier', that depends on whether you already smoke or not. To do something better for your health than smoking is not difficult.

To a non-smoker taking up vaping that's a different story as it's probably worse for your health than doing neither; how much worse is the bilion dollar question that no one really knows the answer to until long-term studies are done. And as with everything there's a huge YMMV element to the degree of harm. Any effects on someone's health are going to be more significant to someone who chain vapes all day every (ahem) compared to someone who just uses one every now and then (for instance a social vaper who just uses one on a night out to avoid temptation of cigarettes)

Because of the way it worked out with tobacco I understand the high level of caution regarding vaping - people were lied to for many years about just how bad for you smoking is. As with everything, it's an individual choice as to how well we treat our bodies. In the UK I believe recent studies have shown the biggest health problems in our country stem from obesity but there are much less scare stories about junk food than vaping
 

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If you mix water and VG you will get some "schlieren", yes, but they'll go away after letting it sit.
I have a lot of DIY juices with 80VG20H2O and they're clear to the look after sitting for a while, though not directly after mixing. A sugar solution (not over saturated) will behave similarly, have "schlieren" at first and be crystal clear after a while. Both won't separate after mixing.
 

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Theres filtermag and others
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I'm a little late to this thread and against my better judgement am still going to post this. I do not give permission whoever may decide to cut and paste words together from it rather than refer to it in whole.

There are multiple combustion products released from tobacco that can cause a variety of medical problems. These range from CO, a byproduct of combustion that can decrease the oxygen carrying capacity of red blood cells. There are VOCs of different sorts including the familiar formaldehyde which is a known, albeit low grade, carcinogen. There are a variety of nitrosamines produced which are carcinogenic. There is production of microparticles that can penetrate into the alveoli of the lungs where they can contribute to a chronic inflammatory response that can lead to damage, scarring, and decreased function if those teeny tiny air sacs. And there are toxic metals in the brew as well. Not nice stuff.

Vaping on contemporary, or third generation ENDS products is associated with the production of some of the above mentioned toxic crap. There is nicotine, not terribly toxic in itself but still does cause arterial constriction which is generally not a problem unless you have a compromised circulatory system or a rare but serious "sensitivuty" to nicotine from any source which results in dramatic vasoconstriction ultimately leading to amputation of limbs from the loss of blood flow. These are folks who can't even use a nicotine patch or gum as they have the same reaction. Interestingly they are also typically profoundly addicted to nicotine and will seek it out despite the pretty obvious loss of fingers, toes, feet, and so on. Compulsive use of a drug/chemical in the face of obvious physical and psychological damage, and it's hard not to notice missing fingers, is a hallmark (not the only one) of addiction.

Excessive temperature will result in the production of VOCs from vape juice. However under normal vape conditions the amounts produced are far less than in cigarette smoke. There are microparticles and even some metals present in vapor but are orders of magnitude lower than in cigarette smoke. There are no nitrosamines. Published data in legit medical journals ( not some website that also discusses how aliens must have built the pyramids) demonstrated that in actual live humans, not an animal or cell culture experiment, VOCs in vapers was dramatically lower than in smokers and nitrosamine products were undetectable. I have to put out there in fairness that dual users of vaping and tobacco showed no reduction in the tested for toxins over smokers alone. No, I can't link the citation as I have a cold, am doing this from bed on my phone, and am in no mood to play the let's search the literature game (I do have the pdf saved somewhere on my computer but I'm not getting out of bed to find it).

Another good medical study on real live people, not cell cultures or rodents, showed that among people with COPD, a common chronic lung disease associated with long term smoking that over a three year period vapers had far fewer acute exacerbations of their illness versus those who continued to smoke.

Is vaping safe? No. However, based on all current known toxicity studies, both in controlled lab experiments and in humans, vaping and any byproducts produced are far less toxic than the smoke from combustible tobacco. That's why vaping is regarded as a harm reduction strategy in reducing smoking, not a healthy lifestyle choice that's better than eating only hormone free, free range chicken.

So to say vaping is as unhealthy as smoking is to ignore a plethora of data available that contradicts that statement. The extent of risk reduction remains to be established. Current views suggest a dramatic reduction of 95% compared to smoking (the whole Royal College of Physicians consensus publication). Is it really that dramatic? We don't know yet. Will it pan out to be that high? My gut probably not, but even a 50% reduction (and I fully expect it to be better than that, just using a worse case scenario) will reduce tobacco related deaths by over three million people over the next twenty years. That's still really good from my perspective.

My personal opinion? If you don't smoke don't vape. If you do smoke and vaping is the only method successful for you to stop smoking (true of many here including myself) vaping wins. I will add a caveat that if I were 30 years old and stopped smoking with vaping I'd be looking for some sort of off ramp from vaping at some point in the future as 30 years of vaping from a young age is probably not the smartest choice, unless it's vape or smoke. At my age I have no interest in stopping vaping. I enjoy it. I've not had a cigarette in almost four years, and if there is done long term grow a second head on my shoulder 30 years from now I'll be too old to worry about it.

tl;dr. Vaping is not as unhealthy as smoking and there is zero scientific evidence to support that position. The scientific evidence to date shows the opposite, vaping is less harmful than smoking.

End of rant.

(I take no credit for all the typos and errors. You can thank my autocorrect for all that stuff. I'm not nearly as creative as autocorrect can be)
 

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Vaping is inhaling the VAPOR from STEAM (more like water vapor) caused by heating ejuice. Smoking is inhaling the products of COMBUSTION from burning vegetable matter. The burning by-product of smoking contains about 5000 chemicals produced in the smoke, many of which are carcenogenic. Tars stick to the lining of the lungs and accumulate. That's why an Xray of a smoker's lungs shows a hazy image compared to a non-smoker. Healthy lungs look dark because clean lung tissue doesn't stop X-rays.

Vaping has been proven to be magnitudes safer than smoking. The testing has been done. All of us who have been vaping for years can attest to that fact and our doctors agree. Is vaping just as safe as not vaping? Maybe not, but it's much, much safer than smoking cigarettes and has been labelled as such by numerous medical organizations.

That said, I wouldn't suggest that a non-smoker start vaping. Not vaping is better than vaping, but vaping is much safer than smoking. The safety comparison has been made by numerous organizations. My doctor has no problems with my vape. He considers it to be a benign activity compared to smoking.
 
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Before I vaped I smoked for 32 years. Got to the point where I was winded by the time I got to the top of a flight of stairs (I smoked alot). Lucky for me my first e-cig was my last cigarette. Within 2 months I was taking those same stairs 2 at a time. Pretty sure it's healthier.
 

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This is anecdotal data. If I remember my Latin, "anecdotal" is Latin for "I can't refute your statement so I'll ignore your statement with a big intelligent sounding word".

Before I vaped I smoked for 32 years. Got to the point where I was winded by the time I got to the top of a flight of stairs (I smoked alot). Lucky for me my first e-cig was my last cigarette. Within 2 months I was taking those same stairs 2 at a time. Pretty sure it's healthier.
 

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I'll leave these here.... you know some general information and scientific studies

I added the MSA payments just so you can think for yourself and decide the real reason the government demonizes vaping
 

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This is anecdotal data. If I remember my Latin, "anecdotal" is Latin for "I can't refute your statement so I'll ignore your statement with a big intelligent sounding word".
Nope. It means “I heard somewhere that there was this guy that..” or “the revered so-and-so says that” or “I noticed that this looked to me like...”. Basically it means non-scientific data. Perhaps worthy of testing but not tested data in and of itself.
 

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Nope. It means “I heard somewhere that there was this guy that..” or “the revered so-and-so says that” or “I noticed that this looked to me like...”. Basically it means non-scientific data. Perhaps worthy of testing but not tested data in and of itself.

Thanks, I never would have guessed.:lol:
 
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