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Sony no longer making VTC4 and VTC5 batteries?

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  1. caferacer

    caferacer Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Jan 6, 2015
    Los Angeles
  2. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    This is relatively old news. I reported that link about two months ago.

    VTC5's have been missing from stores shelves for several months or longer. VTC4's seem to be in relatively common supply still.

    I'm not sure who actually makes Sony batteries. My guess is that Sony commissioned multiple battery manufacturering plants to make cells for them. Sony made the decision to stop sponsoring these, but the factories making the cells seem to be still making them. Either that, or there were a lot of surplus VTC4's in warehouses waiting to be sold.

    There's at least a couple of battery brands which use the original Sony VTC4 cell and re-wrap them under their own name: Xtar and Efest among them. So apparently there's a ready stock of them.

    Orbtronics sells a fine 30 amp continuous battery (Orbtronics SX30 2100mah 30 amp), too. Any other manufacturer claiming 30 amps or more I'd be highly suspicious of.
     
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  3. caferacer

    caferacer Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Thanks Baditude. I was aware of the notion that Sony was no longer making VTCs, but this was the first time I'd seen word from Sony verifying that. But to be fair, I wasn't making an effort to keep on the news surrounding VTCs because I normally use AWs.

    BTW, the link I posted was dated May 26th, 2015. ;)
     
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  4. MattyTny

    MattyTny Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 8, 2013
    New York
    I've been wondering about the VTC4 production ever since we all heard about the discontinuing. I emailed RTD vapor a while ago asking about the batteries and they replied saying they haven't had purchasing restrictions on the VTC4 yet. I guess this may change in the future, but it seems they're still available.
     
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  5. Thrasher

    Thrasher ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Oct 28, 2012
    Madeira beach, Fla
    Sony own 8 or 9 battery plants. Several have been moved from Japan since the quake causing most of the shortages.

    There is a video somewhere with a Sony rep disputing that email. Saying they have no intentions of shutting off production. He did not specify which model would keep running. I'm assum

    Can't find this video, maybe it was on reddit..

    But yes that is old, here's the same announcement in dec

    batterybro.com/blogs/18650-wholesale-battery-reviews/18305807-warning-sony-vtc5s-sold-today-are-all-fake
     
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  6. WonderDude32

    WonderDude32 Super Member ECF Veteran

    May 9, 2015
    Clarksville, TN
    I was sitting in my local shop this afternoon when we heard the news. The owner called his distributor to see if he could get anymore that they may have in stock and it was too late 5 minutes after the posting. Greed is what caused this and it's too bad. My thoughts are Sony will rework the batteries to add a better type of authenticity and possibly repackage under a different code (something like MTC). Keep watching for it and we'll see them on the market again shortly just under a new heading.
     
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  7. K_Tech

    K_Tech Slightly mad but harmless Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    That would be good, I'd really like to pick up a few sets of the 5s if they ever become available again. Wish I'd bought some back when I had the chance!
     
  8. Taowulf

    Taowulf Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 9, 2014
    Bend OR
    I am bummed by this, but with the insane price gouging on the Sony batteries, I am happy to move on to Samsung 25Rs....specs are not as good, but what can you do. Well, you can buy Efest batteries with outrageous specs that will under perform...but nah.
     
  9. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    K_Tech, I have a couple of the 5's and a couple of most of the other players. IMO you're not missing anything.
     
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  10. K_Tech

    K_Tech Slightly mad but harmless Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Well, the 4s I have are my go-to batteries for mechs and for higher powered mods, I'd like that extra 400 mAh sometimes, lol.
     
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  11. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    I totally agree with you on 4's for over 20A K_Tech, but how often do you go there? We're looking at 0.21 ohms on a mech mod for 20A draw. 0.14 ohms for 30A. The 20A batts have 2500 mAh ratings and they're really good :)
     
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  12. RaptorD.Meezus

    RaptorD.Meezus Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Or, Like Baditude pointed out, you could use something like the Orbtronics SX30, which has nearly identical stats to the VTC4.
     
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  13. Taowulf

    Taowulf Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 9, 2014
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    Yeah, when I only needed 3-4 batteries to keep in rotation, I didn't mind paying $10+ for a battery. Now that I have 3 different regulated mods that use a total of 5 batteries at a time and 3 (well, 2, the Paps clone is still messed up) mech mods, I don't care to pay that much. :)
     
  14. K_Tech

    K_Tech Slightly mad but harmless Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Rarely, if ever, but I like headroom. However, what I really like about the VTCx series is their ability to maintain nominal voltage under heavy load. Testing's shown that they are one of the batteries that will actually hold 3.7 volts at close to rated current, while other batteries fall short (relatively speaking).
     
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  15. Ryedan

    Ryedan ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 31, 2012
    Ontario, Canada
    A while ago I compared a few of what I consider the best batteries on the market for high power vaping and the VTCs were in the mix. Here's the post. The results were surprising to me and don't agree with what you said above. I actually passed up the chance to buy some more VTC5s today from Illumn at $10 a pop because I don't consider them worth it at that price when you can get 25Rs at under $6.

    For anyone who's interested in them, here's the page at Illumn. Their stock is limited.
     
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  16. WharfRat1976

    WharfRat1976 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 31, 2014
    Austin, Texas
    Plenty of VCT4s on the shelves at RTD. I just reloaded.
     
  17. six

    six Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2011
    under the blue sky
    The video folks reference as evidence Sony hasn't discontinued the VTC5 is here and the important part starts around 1:05 - it was a plumes of hazard episode from almost a year ago... {MODERATED}

    The e-bike guys I read on usenet say they've been pulling VTC5s from some Hilti cordless drill batteries... The cordless tool guys I read on usenet say Sony VTC5s are in some of the high end Festool and Ingersol drills that are in current production.

    I personally think Sony is still having them made but absolutely does not intend them for us and absolutely will not say they are to be used individually by end users like us for any purpose at all ever no exceptions other than the cordless tool battery packs they actually intend them for. --> I also think that we are going to see them again X-Tar branded when Sony can feel completely assured that any mishaps vapers and flashlight guys might have can't be blamed on Sony.... That could be next week or it could be next year, but sooner or later, they will fulfill their obligation to X-Tar on Sony VTC5s.


    EDIT: New forum software automatically embeds video when you post a link. I felt it appropriate to change that to a text link instead of leaving the embedded video... because there is some bad language and a single statement that could be a sensitive sort of thing for some users.
     
  18. oplholik

    oplholik ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  19. mykline

    mykline Full Member

    Feb 22, 2014
    Miami
    Vapor DNA has in stock the Sony VTC5 18650 2600mAh 30A also. 3 pack deal
     
  20. petrotech

    petrotech Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 9, 2015
    indiana
    I'm weird and just like my AW IMR batteries. (old habits die hard i guess) but then again, the lowest i ever go is .5...and normally I'm around 1.4.
     
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