Source for quality e-liquid

[Gamon]

Greetings,

I have a question regarding e-liquids.

The various reviews on E-cig I have consulted are unanimous on the health benefits of vaping rather than smoking. The most anti-vaping and most neutral studies I have seen do converge on one thing though, the quality of the e-liquid can potentially make the vaping hazardous to you, compared to not vaping or smoking at all. Whereas pure VG/PG are usually considered “safe” – or rather non-detrimental to health based on studies so far -, it’s the possible contaminants and additive in poor quality e-liquids that can cause harm.

On top of that, the nicotine concentration in products can vary despite specifications.

Most of us don’t have a chemistry lab at a fingertip to analyze those products we inhale. What are your takes on the matter ? You go with trusted online sellers and don’t worry about the rest? Go with a local shop supplier and, similarly, hope for the best ? If it’s the former, please give me some advice on the matter !

I live in Montreal, Canada. My local Vap shop, Vaporus, sells 30 mL vials at 17$, with pretty much any Nicotine concentrations in 3mg increments – I still don’t know if those 3-6-or even 18mg of nicotine are per 30 mL or per 100 mL, or whatever.

Gamon

 

[Completely Average]

Personally I would not touch a liquid that was not using 100% FDA approved USP ingredients and made full disclosure of those ingredients and the ratios they were mixed at. I will not touch ANY liquid that has ingredients made in China.

Any reputable place will be totally open about what is in their liquids and how they are produced.


As for the nicotine, it's measured in milligrams per millilitre. So, an 18mg liquid is 1.8% nicotine.


And BTW, as far as long term safety goes, I will point out that PV is used in asthma inhalers which are totally safe. VG is actually even safer to inhale than PG is and can be found in "organic" perfumes and air fresheners. You've been ingesting both your entire life, probably without knowing it.

 

[yzer]

Nicotine values for e-liquids are given as nicotine in mg per ml of liquid. Thus 18 mg liquid is 18 mg per ml. A 30 ml bottle of 18 mg liquid contains a total of 540 mg of nicotine.

Yes, unless you have your own equipment to do the test you have to trust the liquid vendors at this time. E-liquid quality control is still unregulated at this time. You can reduce the unknowns somewhat by mixing your own e-liquids.

 

[yzer]

Personally I would not touch a liquid that was not using 100% FDA approved USP ingredients and made full disclosure of those ingredients and the ratios they were mixed at. I will not touch ANY liquid that has ingredients made in China.

This is quite a challenge for most vapers as nearly all Nicotine USP is sourced from China. India is the second largest nicotine producer. US produced Nicotine USP is still relatively scarce.

 

[Completely Average]

This is quite a challenge for most vapers as nearly all Nicotine USP is sourced from China. India is the second largest nicotine producer. US produced Nicotine USP is still relatively scarce.

True, I should have specified that the Nicotine itself may be imported, but it's not hard to find USDA/FDA approved nicotine solutions. You may have to spend a bit more, but it's available.

 

[Simply Red]

If you figure there's about 1.5 million people, or more, in the USA that use e-cigs, that would be a lot of little chemistry sets. I buy from on-line stores that folks talk about here on ECF the most. (EC Blend, HHV, Tasty Vapor, etc.) Have had no problems. I agree with Completely Average - 100% FDA approved and nothing from China.

Good luck and Happy Vaping!!

 

[Smokinstorm]

Since I am new to vaping I have done a lot of reading and have limited my purchases to suppliers that appear to have the best overall record with customers and the highest stated level of product testing and quality control. However, coming from an Internet based business I realize what is on a website may be projecting an image which is entirely differently than what actually occurs. Still trying to sort out my vendor list but it is getting smaller quickly!

 

[Seann.V91]

I truely believe that yes depending on how sanitary the equipment is to make these liquids could be hazardous and the FDA should regulate the cleanliness of these liquids in processing. They shouldnt try to ban them and now Marlboro themselves have made their own e-cig (MARK 10) once the rest of these cigarrete companies start their own ecig lineup the FDA will no longer try to ban such products. ANYWAYS for me its a yes and no for the FDA to regulate the sanitary in the processing of these liquids because i do believe this stuff has to be free from contaminants and no because the prices on these juices will go up in price and will not be cheaper than analogs

 

[RawShark09]

Www.mtbakervapor.com best liquid ever


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[Caridwen]

You could check with the Canada forum

Canada Forum

Find some local recommendations.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[Mohamed]

As for the nicotine, it's measured in milligrams per millilitre. So, an 18mg liquid is 1.8% nicotine.

While that's a close enough conversion it's not entirely 100% accurate. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cent-concentration-conversion-vice-versa.html for those that want to get a little more mathematical/scientific about it

As for the PG/VG/Nic I don't think there is really any question about their safety for inhalation. There have been numerous studies done on those. I think the main untested area is in the flavors. They have been approved by the FDA for consumption but not for inhalation. Quite possibly a big difference. There is a study that should be starting here pretty soon to help determine the impact of flavors http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/media-general-news/517858-donate-dr-farsalinos-new-study.html

All in all they way I look at it was with a cig I was getting 4,000+ chemicals many of them proven to be carcinogenic...i.e. cause cancer. PG/VG/Nic are non-carcinogenic...i.e. they don't cause cancer. Many new comers find it surprising that nicotine is not carcinogenic...at least I did. So with an ecig and flavors added I may be getting 10 chemicals at most? It may not be 100% safe and only time will tell with that; but it's got to be safer than the 4,000+ chemicals I was getting with a cig. I don't know that's just the way I look it.

If you've been around as long as me you kind of start to take the "health" stuff that comes out with a grain of salt until it is actually proven. Remember when they said margin was healthier for you than butter...then 10 years later they said no butter was better for you. No idea where that debate stands now

 

[john333]

Another option for eliquids is to make your own. We call it simply DIY. The easiest and possibily purest eliquid would be unflavored. I make my own and it really is a good vape. My mix is 60/40 PG/VG with 18mg nicotine base. The PG is slightly sweet so it is not harsh and the 18mg nicotine provides a good TH (Throat Hit). What's especially fantastic about unflavored is it never clogs a coil. You can vape unflavored on the same coil for several months. Excellent way to save money too. I get most of my DIY supplies from RTSVapes. If you would be interested in trying this, get the following:

60ml Nicotine Base - 48mg per ml - $7.95
60ml PG - $4.35
60ml VG - $4.35

Mix 60ml of nic base with 45ml PG and 45ml VG. This will net you 150ml of 60/40 PG/VG 19mg nicotine at a cost of $19.65. You will need something like a measuring cup to mix this. You need to be able to measure in ML since you only need 45ml of the PG and VG. Get 4 120ml blue or brown bottles. Fill the first 3 bottles to the very top and put the cap on. Place them in a plastic bag and get rid of as much air as you can and freeze them in your freezer. They will stay fresh frozen while you vape on the fourth bottle. Your liquid will be very clear and pure. The nicotine base may have a odor and slight tint. This is normal. When you mix the nic with the PG and VG it will lose most of the tint and odor. Don't think you can get much more purer than this plus you will save a ton of money on both buying eliquid and atomizers (whatever type tank or setup you have). Like I said, unflavored will never clog the tank and the atomizer will perform at peak performance day after day after day. good luck

 

[Completely Average]

While that's a close enough conversion it's not entirely 100% accurate. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cent-concentration-conversion-vice-versa.html for those that want to get a little more mathematical/scientific about it

Too scientific for my tastes. I'm not going to squabble over .01mg difference per ml.

I think the main untested area is in the flavors. They have been approved by the FDA for consumption but not for inhalation. Quite possibly a big difference.

I'm not sure I would say they are untested, after all, cooks have been breathing the fumes from the foods they flavor with these ingredients for decades, and I haven't heard of any health concerns over that. Granted, we're taking in more at once, but some of them have been breathing the stuff for the better part of 50 years with no ill effects.

Speaking of cooking, the fumes from heated cooking oils are far more dangerous than anything found in an ecig. You can get lung cancer from too much exposure to overheated cooking oils, including olive oil.

 

[jball49]

Another option for eliquids is to make your own. We call it simply DIY. The easiest and possibily purest eliquid would be unflavored. I make my own and it really is a good vape. My mix is 60/40 PG/VG with 18mg nicotine base. The PG is slightly sweet so it is not harsh and the 18mg nicotine provides a good TH (Throat Hit). What's especially fantastic about unflavored is it never clogs a coil. You can vape unflavored on the same coil for several months. Excellent way to save money too. I get most of my DIY supplies from RTSVapes. If you would be interested in trying this, get the following:

60ml Nicotine Base - 48mg per ml - $7.95
60ml PG - $4.35
60ml VG - $4.35

Mix 60ml of nic base with 45ml PG and 45ml VG. This will net you 150ml of 60/40 PG/VG 19mg nicotine at a cost of $19.65. You will need something like a measuring cup to mix this. You need to be able to measure in ML since you only need 45ml of the PG and VG. Get 4 120ml blue or brown bottles. Fill the first 3 bottles to the very top and put the cap on. Place them in a plastic bag and get rid of as much air as you can and freeze them in your freezer. They will stay fresh frozen while you vape on the fourth bottle. Your liquid will be very clear and pure. The nicotine base may have a odor and slight tint. This is normal. When you mix the nic with the PG and VG it will lose most of the tint and odor. Don't think you can get much more purer than this plus you will save a ton of money on both buying eliquid and atomizers (whatever type tank or setup you have). Like I said, unflavored will never clog the tank and the atomizer will perform at peak performance day after day after day. good luck

Thanks for this info, very interesting and something I am going to try down the road!