Std, IC and IMR Batteries... what is the difference

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Jimi Mack

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I have been reading and trying to understand the difference between these types and figure out what might be best. Now a Std 14500 battery will have a mah of 900, the AW IC has a 750 mah and the IMR has a 600 mah. Now from my normal understanding the larger the mah the more vaping time you should get from the battery. But I have been reading that the IMR will give a more consent vape compared to the others and will last just as long as a 900 mah std. How is this, sorry but I am having a hard time getting my head wrapped around this just on the basic math of it?

I look forward to your explanation and opinion on this.
 

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the standard battery is an IC (or IRC) which stands for a lithium Ion Cobalt battery. so the tenergy and the AW you speak of are the same "type" of battery, share the same chemistry make-up, but the AW is a protected cell. neither of these batteries are really the mAh rating that they are listed as. AW has a reputation for having more accurate ratings, as well as better quality and consistency in sizing, performance, protection circuitry, etc. if they were true ratings, however, it wouldn't matter much because several things are in play here. the fact that you will use these in an e-cig (mod) configuration with an atomizer that puts a certain load on on the battery voltage and increases the amperage drain on the battery, means that all the numbers on the sticker go out the window, and the numbers that matter more are the discharge "C" rating/ amperage rating and the amp draw from the atomizer you are using. the drain on the battery increases with lower resistance atomizers, so standard 306s draw more amps than 510s which draw more than 901 and 801s, etc. of course low res attys will draw the most, the lower in ohm rating they are. so whereas there may be an amp draw under 2A with one atomizer type, using a Joye 510, 306, or low res atty can approach amp draws higher than 2A. this is a stress on the battery and greatly impacts the runtime, irrespective of whatever numbers were on the sticker to begin with. in the smaller size cells, all of this is very important because really only a few batteries will be able to successfully handle the amp drain from any atomizer. going with an AW IMR16340 or AWIMR14500 will put less strain on the batteries with any atomizer than would be the case with a standard ICR cell in the same size. "constant vape" is probably due to the cell's ability to supply the discharge rates and sustain the amperage draw routinely from the atomizer, no voltage sag.

battery energy density and capacity is a function of size and chemistry. ICR chemistry holds more than IMR and IFR (LiFePO4) in the same size. however, a 16340 and 14500 sized battery, no matter the chemistry makeup, is only able to have but so much energy density packed into it. so the differences at these small sizes tend to side with the IMR because you get the cell that is built to handle the amperage drain, and won't lose out on runtimes because the other same sized cell in the other chemistry is not able to hold substantially more to begin with. in bigger sizes such as 17670, 18500, 18650, 26500, etc. you have a wider range of ICR batteries that can routinely handle the amp draw of any atomizer and benefit from the increased runtimes over IMR and IFR chemistry cells. in those sizes, going with the IC or ICR battery makes sense from a runtime and performance perspective, but you may or may not feel more comfortable with the safety of an IMR at those sizes as well.

so more directly to your question, i think the AW IMR is the best bet at 14500, and that 600 mAh runtime will do better than the 750 or 900 mAh runtime with any atty. if you do notice a difference in favor of one battery or another that has a higher number printed on the sticker, or even see a graph comparing one to another under a given load, none of this will address the long term viability and efficiency of the cell in my opinion. i believe the IMR at smaller sizes like the 14500 will be able to sustain the performance over time, recharge after recharge, whereas the stress being routinely placed on the other same size different chemistry cells will shorten their life and decrease their performance. hope this helps a bit.
 

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I do thank you for the detailed explanation and it does help a bit. I presently am working with a Trustfire 900mah, an AWIC 750 and an IMR600 and have noticed the IMR was giving me, what I would call a stronger hit from my BB and other MODs such say than the others. I was trying to figure out the why, not knowing if it was true or my mind playing a trick on me after ready about how the IMR's are better.

So if I am understanding your statement correctly, the IMR is not really needed for my larger MODs that take a 18650 but in the long run the IMR would give me the same experience as Trustfire 3000mah but is of a safer chemistry.

All being the same as I use a 510 carto between 2.8 and 3.0 ohm.
 
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yeah the amp draw from your 510 carto is between 1.23 and 1.3 Amps [dividing the voltage (3.7) by the atty in ohms (2.8-3.0), the AW 14500 750 mAh IC has a drain rate of 1.5A [multiplying the given discharge rate (2) by the given Amp hours (.750)], and the Trustfire is 1.35A, and the AW IMR is 4A. all of these numbers are heavily dependent upon the given mAh, and because they are often exaggerated by companies particularly in smaller cell sizes, the true drain rates of these batteries, particularly the trustfire, is likely lower than that. all of this is to say that the AW IMR is giving you a consistent vape because you are consistently working within its capabilities, while you put increased stress on the other cells, potentially working outside their intended capabilities if that mAh rating is even a little exaggerated, which will in turn cause variance in performance, decrease their runtimes per cycle, and decrease their overall lifespan.

with your 18650 battery, you are working within its capabilities be it the ICR or the IMR, but you are getting potentially 40% greater runtime with an ICR over an IMR by virtue of the chemistry's capabilities at the size. i use an ICR at that size, because i want the increased runtime...otherwise why use a cell that big, right? but i usually recommend AW ICR's because of the quality of the protection circuitry in addition to the performance. ICR batteries can explode and vent with flames, whereas IFR and IMR will not vent with flames, but cheaply made IMRs and improperly used batteries of all types can be damaged/damaging and vent nonetheless. because the trustfire 18650 you are using will handle the amp draw just like the IMR or other ICR at that size would, it's up to you to decide how much price, manufacturer reputation for quality and overall reliability, and the level of safety precaution and implementation for a given battery come into play. at that size, a good ICR battery with quality protection circuitry, charged and stored properly of course, should prove more useful overall than an IMR would and all things considered, a very safe option too. imho, ymmv, blah blah blah. :p
 
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