SteelJan gone?

[n2tkd]

What a sad day indeed.
Bullies only pick on people who won't fight back! I'd bet top dollar there not picking on GrimmGreen or
Bigdogice.
SteelJan was a breath of fresh air, a TRUE vapor in sense. Mission..to help her fellow vapors out.
Isn't that all what we want, to get people off the analogs by giving them advice. Now I don't claim to know everything and I don't think no one does but we help because we care.
She's taught me things no one else cared to explain, and for that I will trully miss her and her videos.
It's a sad day for the vaping COMMUNITY.
vape Happy

 

[tj99959]

Not seeing her PM's and e-mail it's hard to say what really went down, but on her vids I didn't see all this hate and bullying. Yes there were a few posts that said her assumption was wrong (which it was), but there is a huge difference between that and bullying. I just hope that in time Jan can see that.
As far as the rebuttal tape that was made, he just defended his turf, and proved that his test equipment was accurate. As would anyone else, nothing more.
Saying "sorry, but your assumption is wrong" is not bullying.

 

[skydragon]

I didn't get a chance to see the video.
Was she giving a review of a certain product?

 

[tj99959]

I didn't get a chance to see the video.
Was she giving a review of a certain product?

Yes, but then made an unrelated comment about test equipment.
Everything has been blown completely out of proportion IMO.

 

[tonymopar]

she was reviewing a cool clearomizer type carto. was a good video for sure!!

I didn't get a chance to see the video.
Was she giving a review of a certain product?

 

[tonymopar]

You're definitively right about this! very well said!!

I'm definitely not an electrical engineer, but my guess is that, since we're talking about a voltmeter, the meter itself is connected in parallel to the atomizer, in spite of the "looks" that suggest it's in series. Voltmeters have very high resistance, not low, they are not superconductors. To measure the voltage, you have to check the difference in potential across a portion of a circuit. If the meter is in series it really only checks the voltage drop across itself - that doesn't make sense. Anyway, if the meter is indeed linked in parallel with the "load", then Ohm's Law dictates that it decreases the total resistance of the circuit connected to the battery a wee bit. The higher the resistance of the meter, the lower the amount by which it decreases the total resistance.

Now, I haven't seen SteelJan's video, and I know she is an engineer so I'm guessing she probably had a point. This is just my limited understanding on how voltmeters work, really.

Hell, she may even have been wrong, it doesn't change the situation at all. Which is that a bunch of mindless, coward, frustrated a*holes bullied a super-nice, smart, helpful, funny, graceful lady.

 

[tonymopar]

She got death treats?! OMG that is beyond appalling..

I am just appalled that this would happen over VAPING for heaven's sake. Steeljan was one of the first reviewers I watched when I was looking into vaping. Her videos and advice were spot on for me, though I never watched the more technical ones since I am not into modding or DIYing (yet). But it's not like she was talking about the best ways to skin live kittens or anything. She was talking about vaping. Some people need to take a step back and get some perspective. Death treats over vaping? Really?

 

[tonymopar]

Regardless of right or wrong, there is a way to point out someone's ideas without being insulting. Not everyone is right (and I'm on top of that list many times), but if I'm wrong, point out my error and maybe add a link to a resource on the comment to point out why I'm wrong. Reviewers are entitled to errors too. and if you educate them on something you know is right, and you can prove it's right, I'm sure these reviewer would learn something knew, by your PRODUCTIVE comment to help them. Name calling doesn't help the cause.

This is the video that drove her over the edge, it was in response to her own video.

"Just in case"

It's a very long thread of hate but look these 2 comments


Are your boxes and ohms that important to you? More important that the amount of hate comments that they lady is getting both here and on her own video? She is literally being bullied by the same people that you thanked for their support. She is clearly an intelligent person who is being reduced to delete comments and defend herself. Not many people are able to cope with bullying and the more she is being prolonged to it, the more uncertainty on how it will all end.
Tony Hill in reply to pbusardo (Show the comment) 1 day ago in playlist Uploaded videos


Yes, they are. The fact that I do my best to provide some decent and clear information to the community is very important to me. When that information is challenged I will respond to it or apologize for it if I'm wrong.
Again, it was not my intention start a "war", so I do invite my subscribers and anyone else to put an end to the hurtful comments.
Take this vid for what it is. Showing the boxes don't add resistance.
I get "bullied" all the time. It's how we handle it that defines us.
pbusardo in reply to Tony Hill (Show the comment) 1 day ago

 

[hairball]

It's sad when a person does this to another person. I hate to see her go. She has helped this community in so many ways.

Steeljan, hopefully you'll see the threads started about you. Your missed!!! Please come back!!! You did nothing wrong.

 

[tonymopar]

I see were this was going. people assumed she was talking about pbusardo. But there are about a half a dozen reviewers that use voltmeters of different types. Could she have not been referring to them? and if you consider pbusardo, may be he is right in stating that his equipment is accurate because he does use some pretty advanced hardware. and I'm sure everyone has seen videos of most reviewers testing volts on devices like the buzz pro and or provari, and when they brought these up to their maximum or minimum settings, all were different readings! Is it that these identical devices are producing different high and low settings? or can it be that the different metering devices are causing the difference? Personally I don't think anyone here is wrong.

PBusardo made the brief video three days ago. He mentioned that another reviewer claimed that in-line volt/ohm meters like the type he uses in his reviews add resistance to measurements and are not accurate. Without naming names he showed in the video that his voltmeters were accurate. Over the weekend both SteelJan and PBusardo fanboys used the comment section for this video to wage a comments war.

PBusardo explained his reasons for taking down the video in his VapeBash, VapeFest, VapeWOW Vid1 video this evening.

pbusardo - YouTube

 

[swedishfish]

Not seeing her PM's and e-mail it's hard to say what really went down, but on her vids I didn't see all this hate and bullying. Yes there were a few posts that said her assumption was wrong (which it was), but there is a huge difference between that and bullying. I just hope that in time Jan can see that.
As far as the rebuttal tape that was made, he just defended his turf, and proved that his test equipment was accurate. As would anyone else, nothing more.
Saying "sorry, but your assumption is wrong" is not bullying.

I don't think anyone ever accused him of bulling her. She didn't. It was just a slight difference of opinion. I've disagreed with her in the past and said so on this forum. About a pv, for goodness sake. I like and respect her a lot. I didn't think twice about it and I'm sure she didn't either. But I didn't become unhinged and call her names.

But I did read the comments that were posted by the mouth breathers. They were horrible. And I've heard it's nothing compared to the personal messages she got. I'd do the same thing if I was her. Who needs it.

For the life of me I can't understand why little groups have to get in and escalate things. These are grown adults. They don't need anyone to fight their battles. They say they're sticking up for a friend but I call bs on that. Some people enjoy being rotten and saying the worst things possible.

 

[jenkinsmark01]

Indeed, that should not have happened to her. Those comments were quite extreme! Anyways, I do hope SJ is doing fine despite everything. And also SteelJan, if you can read this, you have our support! Also btw, newq has a very decent proposal over the other thread...

 

[skydragon]

Thanks for the responses but still a little confused.

Was it something she said about the product itself that started all this BS or strictly the comment about voltmeters?

 

[martinc]

P has nothing personally to do with that;

Its a fanboi club that does....an extremists kind of fanbois club.

And for the record,those ohm meters are tools,wethere they are accurate or not,they are just that...tools.

As long as the same tool is used in all representations,its deemed accurate,wether its calibrated or not

Same goes for a dyno sheet;if you use a few dynamometers to measure power output of an engine,its innacurate;if you use the same dyno to measure several engines,it is accurate.(at same temp,barometric pressure,etc in case a gearhead shows up!)

 

[PaulB]

Just wanted to add my voice. I've found Steeljan to be one of the smartest, most helpful people we've got here. Her videos are among the most informative and, offhand, the best I've seen in terms of production values. I like to think of the vaping world as a benevolent "we" of shared values, goals and, yes, adversaries. I hate being reminded otherwise by incidents like this.

 

[djwyman]

I had just watched some of her videos yesterday and I really liked them along with PBusardo and doctorvapor I learned a lot from the 3. Really sad that people would drive her away by being jerks.

 

[Rustneversleeps]

Please come back!!!

 

[VitoCorleone]

I really value her reviews, and can say that without a doubt, that she is one of the persons that I listened to, to find the right device for me. I understand the need to stop, whenever something becomes not fun any more, but I would like to add my voice to the chorus of people saying "Thank you!" I won't say that I wouldn't have stopped smoking without her, because engineers can't lie to each other, but she helped make the path a little straighter, and less expensive. Cheers Steeljan, wherever you are!

 

[classwife]

I would like to bring this to everyone's attention in this thread too:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...s-stance-respectful-debate-poor-behavior.html

 

[Vape Ape]

It is indeed a dark time...I shall miss SteelJan. Because of her, I built my first mod. She will be missed
Hopefully she returns...