Steep time for Vader Puddin....arrrgh!

[Stiles2]

So I got this in the other day. 120ml 18mg/ml and a Triple Shot to boot!!

On my SS Vamo I have tried it with 2.0ohm Protank and 1.8ohm Vivi Nova between 7 and 8 watts and couldn't taste much if anything. Got a hint of something sweet and an even smaller hint of something vanilla. Throat hit is good and the vapor it puts out is even better. I just can't taste it!! I'd hate to taste what it would be like as a regular flavoured (1 shot).

Ian @ MLV said to let it steep for 3 weeks. I'm not going to dispute that or anything since I'd wager he knows his stuff pretty darn well. 3 weeks will damn near kill me though haha.

The coconut cream pie I got in the same order tastes like coconut, cream and pie and was ordered as a Double Shot. Flavour was good to go as soon as I got it unlike the VP. Both bottles have the same born on date of June 5th 2013. So I guess they have been steeping for almost 10 days already.

Is there something with vanilla type flavours that take longer to steep? It's not that it tastes bad or anything, it just tastes like I am almost vaping an unflavoured juice.

I wish vendors would pre-steep their more popular flavours and I would assume (maybe incorrectly) that this would be one of those popular flavours.

This isn't a jab at MLV. The shipping and responses to queries have been lightning fast.

I just wanted to taste the damn thing when I got it

 

[rems]

The viv nova is known to mute flavours. A lot of people feel that the Protank is better, but I believe it mutes the flavours almost as much. I've tried the Puddin and it's got some strong flavour at it's regular flavour strength. I believe I tried it in a CE4 clearo. If you have any other device to try it in, it would be a better test. I believe that the Puddin is a 50/50 blend. I may be wrong. Maybe, you're having wicking issues in both the nova and the Protank. Did you remove the top 2 strands of wick from the Protank head?

EVOD BCC Coil wick removal How To from CravinVapes.com - YouTube

Removing those two strands will help the juice to wick to the coil. Nova heads can also be improved for wicking. I'm not sure what wattage you are used to but I am usually between 9 and 11 watts. Maybe turn'er up a bit.
Steeping will help but I doubt that's the issue. It may be part of it but I bet it's more of an issue wicking.

 

[rems]

The above link is for an Evod coil but is the same for the stock coil of the protank.

 

[Stiles2]

Yeah, i did try removing the "flavour wicks" from the Protank...no difference (and it still leaked too lol). I've tried the stock coils and my own made with A1 Kanthal 32 gauge and some 2mm Ekowool wick. Nada.

That Ekowool sure is crazy good though. It *definitely* is not a wicking issue.

The Vader Puddin comes in a 50/50 blend but it is noted on the website that it might lean more toward 60pg/40vg at double and triple flavours. The VP's consistancy is slightly more runny than my coconut cream pie which would indicate slightly more PG but it shouldnt be a factor here in performance.

 

[Stiles2]

Just to add. I have tried higher than 8 but it begins to taste slightly burnt when I hit 9 watts on long draws.

 

[Hitmetwice]

You may not like what I'm gonna say but...

Been vaping Vanillas almost exclusivly for a year and a half. A few things I've found...

[*]Must steep at least 4 weeks

[*]Higher pg equals more flavour

[*]More flavouring doesn't mean more flavour

[*]The evod is the best so far

[*]Vaping from the side of your mouth(not center) equals more flavour

One last word....cotton

 

[Stiles2]

How does that work, more flavouring doesn't equal more flavour? I would expect some kind of diminishing returns or just downright rankness if it is overdone but wouldn't it help? I did pay an extra 2 or 3 dollars for the Triple.

About the EVOD...does it gurgle and leak like the Protank does when it gets to about 10-15% juice left? Does for me anyway. I love the look of it and it worked well but I didnt like the gurgle and hated the leak down the center post. Sometimes it would be a drop and sometimes it would be considerably more. The EVOD looks like it would be the same as the Protank in that regard as the bottom coil setup seems to be identical.

 

[Hitmetwice]

QUOTE...How does that work, more flavouring doesn't equal more flavour? I would expect some kind of diminishing returns or just downright rankness if it is overdone but wouldn't it help? I did pay an extra 2 or 3 dollars for the Triple....QUOTE

According to some of the DIY gurus around here and what I've found from my own DIY experimentations, each flavouring has
a sweet spot. For my mixes it's around 7%. Don't know why it tastes best there, but for me it just does.
According to one or more of Hoosiers posts(might have been a different guru) too much flavour added can actually give your juice "no flavour at all" but don't quote me on that. Yes diminishing returns.


QUOTE...About the EVOD...does it gurgle and leak like the Protank does when it gets to about 10-15% juice left? Does for me anyway. I love the look of it and it worked well but I didn't like the gurgle and hated the leak down the center post. Sometimes it would be a drop and sometimes it would be considerably more. The EVOD looks like it would be the same as the Protank in that regard as the bottom coil setup seems to be identical...QUOTE

I figured the vape and performance would be exactly the same too, but for me it isn't, might be the luck of the draw on coils/heads dunno.
Removing flavour wicks, turning the silicone cup upside down(or removing it completely), not tightening everything up enough can cause the dreaded gurgling, along with any small gaps in the area where the wick enters the head.
It might be something else? But I've found these to usually be the main culprits.

I rewick the coil with 2mm. of cotton(braid unraveled) fluff the wick under magnification (to ensure there are no gaps around the metal housing where the wick enters the coil area) and do not add any "flavour" or "lack of flavour" wicks. Works fine for me.

Bottom line though your flavour should get better with time, even if you do nothing. Cheers!

 

[Vapo_Dave]

VP is my ADV and has been for months. One of the reasons I like it so much is to me anyway it’s subtle. Although I does change a bit with steeping it’s not significant.
Same goes for Juggies vanilla custard or the real thing for that matter (GVC).

I vape it at 1.5 the typical flavoring. I order it at 24mg TS and cut it down to 12mg with a 50/50 mix.

Vanillas are inherently subtle to me in comparison to other flavors. The coconut cream pie is unvapeable to me. That’s not to say I don’t like strong flavor as I vape Pluid or Dilithem crystals to perk up my taste buds a few times a day.

The devices you’re using are most definitely muting the flavor but I get that they are convent but that’s just not worth it for me.
I drip into a bridgeless atomizer outside of the house and always run a genesis at home. For me driping has the best flavor while the genesis is a very close second. The bridgeless atomizer lacks the throat hit of the genesis.

 

[strig]

FWIW, I got a 10ml sample of VP and it never got the chance to steep. It was gone in a couple days it was so tasty.