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Lost me here. I assume it is related to how the nicotine base is stored within amber glass jars but the Argon gas lost me.

If I was to purchase this nicotine base, what is the difference between the original ( 100mg/mL Nicotine Base - Nude Nicotine ) versus the Nude Armor v2.0 (the one in your link). Is the standard amount to buy is 100mg/ml to maximize the amount of juice we can make?

Also, how much juice would say, 500ml of 100mg/ml nicotine base make if I use a 80/20 VG/PG mix at 6mg/ml to 3mg/ml juice.

Thank you for your help.

Nude Nicotine Armor v2.0, 100mg/ml, in 500ml lots, is the base I speak of. Buy that.

Argon gas is layered on top of the Nude Nicotine amber glass bottle to displace oxygen. Oxygen kills nicotine, hence the use of Argon gas. Sunlight kills nicotine, hence the use of amber bottles. With the bottles, you can throw them directly in to the freezer. You should not store nicotine in plastic bottles.


HOW TO CALCULATE NICOTINE YOU NEED FOR 20 YEARS? IF...

12mg/ml * 8ml/day = 96mg/day
96mg/day * 365 days ~= 35,050mg/year
100,000 [1 liter of 100 mg/ml ]/ 35,050 ~= 2.853 years per liter
20 years / 2.5 = 8 liters or 2 GALLONS is what I need to buy.

For you...

6mg/ml * 8ml/day = 48mg/day (I used 8ml... put in whatever you vape)
48mg/day * 365 days ~= 17,520mg/year
100,000 [1 liter of 100 mg/ml ]/ 17,520 ~= 5.7 years per liter (if buying 100mg/ml nic)
20 years / 5.7 = 3.5 liters is what YOU need to buy, to supply yourself for 20yrs.
 
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So PG/VG as well as flavoring will be readily available even after the regulations ? Also, say for the tobeco super mini tank, will they still sell pre built coils or will I need to buy a tank / RDTA and build my own coils eventually
PG & VG will be available and flavors too but it is easier right now to search for some flavors on a DIY shop like One Stop DIY and look around :) their blends are good :) Coils not so sure, stock up on what you like and get a couple rebuilables too, you can learn those later but at least you have them.
 
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Nude Nicotine Armor v2.0, 100mg/ml, in 500ml lots, is the base I speak of. Buy that.

Argon gas is layered on top of the Nude Nicotine amber glass bottle to displace oxygen. Oxygen kills nicotine, hence the use of Argon gas. Sunlight kills nicotine, hence the use of amber bottles. With the bottles, you can throw them directly in to the freezer. You should not store nicotine in plastic bottles.


HOW TO CALCULATE NICOTINE YOU NEED FOR 20 YEARS? IF...

12mg/ml * 8ml/day = 96mg/day
96mg/day * 365 days ~= 35,050mg/year
100,000 [1 liter of 100 mg/ml ]/ 35,050 ~= 2.853 years per liter
20 years / 2.5 = 8 liters or 2 GALLONS is what I need to buy.

For you...

6mg/ml * 8ml/day = 48mg/day (I used 8ml... put in whatever you vape)
48mg/day * 365 days ~= 17,520mg/year
100,000 [1 liter of 100 mg/ml ]/ 17,520 ~= 5.7 years per liter (if buying 100mg/ml nic)
20 years / 5.7 = 3.5 liters is what YOU need to buy, to supply yourself for 20yrs.

Wel, thank you kind sir for doing that. Now , this may seem like an odd question as I am going to google it right after, but how is the Argon has purchased / added to the jar to displace the oxygen ? Through a tube system from the lid? Also, once jarred with the Argon gas and tossed in the freezer , what's the expected shelf life ? I'm assuming it degrades over time as each time I need to make a new liquid, it is exposed to oxygen? Then I would have to do the Argon gas process again before tossing in freezer.

Also, how much time do I exactly have to collect all of these supplies. And sorry to ask again, but what is the difference between the Nude nicotine based vs the 100ml/mg nicotine base that they both offer on the website.

Thank you guys so much.
 
Wel, thank you kind sir for doing that. Now , this may seem like an odd question as I am going to google it right after, but how is the Argon has purchased / added to the jar to displace the oxygen ? Through a tube system from the lid? Also, once jarred with the Argon gas and tossed in the freezer , what's the expected shelf life ? I'm assuming it degrades over time as each time I need to make a new liquid, it is exposed to oxygen? Then I would have to do the Argon gas process again before tossing in freezer.

Also, how much time do I exactly have to collect all of these supplies. And sorry to ask again, but what is the difference between the Nude nicotine based vs the 100ml/mg nicotine base that they both offer on the website.

Thank you guys so much.

No problem giving you the "quick and dirty" regarding this type of information, but you are going to miss out on the thought processes and work and discussions involved in coming to these conclusions.

Mishandling or ingesting 100mg/ml nicotine can kill you in my opinion. Make sure you know what you are getting in to in handling it by searching in the DIY section of ECF regarding this solvent. I accept no liability in your use, purchase, resale of the said liquid.

You do not do anything with the Argon gas. It is an inert gas that is placed in the bottle by Nude Nicotine, and you are given syringes and tips to remove the nicotine. The Argon gas stays in the bottle. It does not effect the nicotine in the bottle, it preserves it.

Nicotine can last 10yrs according to reports, some think longer such as 20 years.

Nude Nicotine was rated #1 by ECF users in a blind test in taste, color, smell...

THE DEEMING LAWS FOR VAPE PRODUCTS

ECF: @Tommy-Chi

FDA DEEMING RULES AND WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU

--Vape goods being sold before 2007 can remain available indefinitely at this point in time
--After August 8, 2016 no new products or changes to existing products are allowed
--Manufacturers of ALL e-liquids or vaping related products will have up to two years to submit FDA PMTA applications for products that have come to market after April 15, 2007 (KNOWN AS THE PREDICATE DATE) so that they may be reviewed for fitness within the market in accordance with FDA intents and purposes for tobacco products.
--The FDA PMTA review process is estimated to take a year and cost as much as $1 million per product
--There will be very few PMTA applications submit with most (if not all) coming from Big Tobacco
--There is no way of knowing if the FDA will approve any PMTA applications, as in the past few new tobacco products have been allowed to be marketed as tobacco products after the initial set of FDA regulations became law
--For products not passing the PMTA process, they must be withdrawn from the market
--It is expected that scarcity or the lack of vaping products will occur across all segments of the market


THE RESPONSE

--Remove tobacco classification because vaping products are primarily 100% tobacco free
--Change the predicate date from April 15, 2007 to the current date in (2016/2017/...) for the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA).
--Requesting a Substantial Equivalence (SE) Report instead of PMTA, so that all products that are essentially similar in operation to that which has already been accepted to also be accepted and allowed to be sold
--Overturn the ban on FREE SAMPLES so that vendors can send samples out to vapers


THE WHY

ECF: @Mazinny, "By 2010, eighteen states, the District of Columbia, and three U.S. territories securitized some or all of their revenue entitlements from the MSA (TOBACCO: Master Settlement Agreement) payment schedule into bonds. The issued bonds totaled $40 billion and are backed by expected future MSA payments." (These bonds would eventually be worthless to the states if vaping continued to grow as it has b/c it is demolishing the market for cigarettes and has so far not been aggressivly regulated or taxed.)
 
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One last question actually, how clean of an environment do I need to make safe, vape-able juice?

To be totally honest, i mix mine while sitting in front of the computer or use the little desk next to my bed while i sit on my bed. I use about a 50/50 pg/vg mix. I fill my 250ml bottle about halfway with vg, then use a syringe to measure the nicotine base and flavors when they are added, then fill the rest of the way with pg. Quick, easy, and effective.
 

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@Tommy-Chi : Well, that is one hell of a list of regulations... I had the idea of the cost being stupidly high, but was not aware that it's not a 100% guarantee pass (which makes sense though). But damn... That is crazy. Looks like I need get myself some nicotine 100ml/mg base. I'll probably buy a 500ml within the week. I'm currently waiting to try my juice from Ahlusion.

And thanks for explaining the needed information regarding the Argon gas. It makes sense now but I still need to visualize it so I will most likely understand it completely when I get my first order in. Thankfully, I am the youngest in the household at 21, so no children will have access to the nicotine base (unless you consider me a ... nvm ).

As for flavoring, where do you guys get it? I'm assuming the PG / VG base is ordered through online as well? Well, I hope I can catch on quickly with this DIY, sounds kinda interesting / fun / annoying. But the amount of money that can be saved is crazy.

Quick question:
Do you want your e-liquid to be 100% transparent or do you want it to have a gold tint to it.

Thanks to everybody giving me advice. I am currently looking for a good RTA that isn't 35$+ . Any suggestions?
 

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To be totally honest, i mix mine while sitting in front of the computer or use the little desk next to my bed while i sit on my bed. I use about a 50/50 pg/vg mix. I fill my 250ml bottle about halfway with vg, then use a syringe to measure the nicotine base and flavors when they are added, then fill the rest of the way with pg. Quick, easy, and effective.
Do you eye-ball it when it comes down to filling it halfway with VG? Than pouring the rest with PG?
 

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You can (and really should) use pipettes and/or syringes to measure out your ingredients - you can get eJuice calculators online and/or for your Android phone/tablet or whatever that you type in the desired PG/VG ratio, nicotine strength, flavouring concentration etc, and it spits out the exact numbers of each ingredient to mix in.
 
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Do you eye-ball it when it comes down to filling it halfway with VG? Than pouring the rest with PG?

Yep. I go fill half the bottle(or maybe a tiny bit past half) with VG, then add the proper amount of nic base and flavoring using syringes, and then just fill up the rest of the way with PG. I know my nic base and flavorings are 100% PG, so those plus the PG I add need to be the PG half of the ratio i want. Since I aim for somewhere around 50/50 or 60/40 VG/PG, I don't bother taking the time to measure out exactly 125mL of vg, then 50mL of flavoring, then 8mL of nic base, and then the last 67mL of PG. I just eyeball the VG(half the bottle or a little more), then use measurements for nic base and flavoring, and then fill the rest of the way with PG. Haven't had any issue doing it that way. Never really noticed any difference in the taste, either(except for the one time I think I accidentally only used 40mL of flavoring...that time it tasted less flavorful). Sure, my way isn't exact, but it gets me close enough that I can never tell the difference.
 
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I do not recommend any method other than a scale for mixing. It is the most accurate, and creates the ability to repeat what you have done again and again.

I will admit that using a scale is more accurate. So is a syringe. That being said, when you are able to repeat something close enough that you can't tell the difference, I don't see the extra work as being needed. If you feel that you absolutely need that extra precision, by all means, go for it. All I was showing is that you don't need any real special equipment(aside from syringes which are dirt cheap). My method will get someone close enough that it is plenty usable. Each time, you will have the same amount of nicotine and flavoring. The only thing that might change slightly is the pg/vg ratio. Your method will remove the slight variations that the pickier people may be able to pick up, such as that pg/vg ratio.
 
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I would of course use measurements / scales to make everything exact. Then of course, make a notebook with all of these wonderful recipes. Now onto the DIY. If I was going to start out, some of you guys mentioned to automatically buy the 500 ml or liter of 100mg/ml nicotine base. If I did get this, I would most likely get it in max VG due to my usually ratio being nothing less than 70/30 vg/pg. I would like to aim it to keep it at 80/20.

But according to some of the threads / blogs posted above, they mention that the average DIY "starter kit" is around $70USD. Should I go that route to try and find the right flavorings and if DIY juice is right for me? Well, in the end, if the regulations are restricting most juices, I guess I will have to grow to love it.

But, regardless, should I start out in a small DIY order or just get 500ml of 100mg/ml nicotine base? Also, how come some people get, say, 500ml of 24mg/ml nicotine base. Is this because they were not trying to maximize the amount of juice capable of making or they assumed that 100mg/ml was too crazy at that time. I'm assuming all it means is that I use less of the 100mg/ml compared to the 24mg/ml for the same effect.

And I didn't know PG was used for petrol -_- . Great to know now. But regardless, how should I start? Not going to lie, after reading a few pages of the blog, it seems kind of intense. Like the 100 drop test? I just read about the idea, nothing in detail.
 

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    @Tommy-Chi Do you buy everything (nicotine base, VG, PG, and flavoring) from NudeNicotine? The dannyv45 blog lists a lot of manufactures, idk who to pick from!
    The nic base is good as well as the pg and vg. Some people choose according to price and the manufacturer of the flavorings.
     
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    If I do 80/20 I should get the 100mg/ml in max VG? I'll play around with it soon.
    Not sure. It seems to make sense that way, but using the small amount you'll need because of it being 100mg might change that idea. Pop on over to the DIY section for the best help.
     
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