Still intermittently smoking with vaping

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Lukus

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Hey guys, was anyone else guilty of this? I just can't seem to shake 1 or 2 smokes during the day, I feel like my vaping is pointless as a result even though I know it isnt.

I used to smoke 12-18 roll ups a day at work so its a CIGnificant reduction/improvement. Does anyone have any tips, ive been vaping almost 2 weeks now and I did first start vaping 2 years ago but it broke and I got so angry replacing coils I went back.

Im not sure what mg of nicotine im on I should probably be on about 10? But in my 100ml bottles I've got two nic shots each. How much does that work out as?

Thanks so much for all your help yesterday too,
Luke.
 

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Hi Luke, some dual use is totally normal for some folks as they switch to vaping. I dual used for several years on and off, culminating in a return to smoking, and then returning to vaping only, due to health issues and incipient COPD which was certainly a huge motivator for me.

I would say continue vaping, I'm not sure how much nicotine you are using, since you are using nic shots in a 100 ml base.... Do you know what percentage of nicotine your nic shots are and how much volume of nicotine per nic shot. That would be the only way to figure it out that I know of....

As far as dual use, there are things you can do, including upping your nicotine, especially during times when you want to smoke if not all the time (some folks will reserve a separate setup for a higher nic setup). If you haven't you could try WTA (whole tobacco alkaloid juice) two makers here include Umbavape and Aroma E-juice I don't know if they would ship to your location or not). They contain alkaloids from the tobacco plant that aren't found in nicotine, substances that aren't found in nicotine alone, and provide some of the anti-anxiety and anti-depressant effect found in tobacco. They don't work for everyone but I found them immensely helpful while transitioning and I still keep a tank around for high pressure moments.

With that said, there is a certain amount of willingness to "suffer" through detox with enough determination to be successful in transitioning, and there really isn't any going around this process. The longer you dual use, the longer you will be in that state of "ongoing detox" and for myself, I reached a point where the occasional cigarette was not worth prolonging it (for me) and then I just had to pretty much suffer for a while. For some ex-smokers, that is a part of detox, unfortunately, but it does get easier and I rarely even think about cigarettes now (well, less and less anyway).

I quit with a smoker in the house, so I had to be extra determined . Reminding myself of my goals, of the fact that cigarettes were going to be available... anytime... .anywhere, also helped.. I did not go into vaping this time determined to dual use forever, although my motivations were bigger this time as well. So, if you can avoid having cigarettes around you, that may help during the transition, but it's not ultimately necessary.

Most of all, I did what this forum suggested. I kept vaping no matter what, I vaped right before and right after any cigarettes I smoked, to reinforce being a vaper. I fell off the wagon catastrophically a few times under stress (think, more than 15 cigarettes one day) but this actually helped me, as I felt awful the next morning and it really reinforced what I was feeling in my lungs and body.

Best of luck, staying busy distracted and learning more about vaping (DIY, RTAs, etc) also helped keep my energies focused on vaping, not smoking.

Most of all, you need to find (and consistently remind yourself) what your motivations are for vaping, and why you are doing this. They are slightly different for everyone...

I chose to cut out my hardest cigarette of the day first. I knew that if I was smoking first thing in the morning, I would be doing so all day long. So, I drew that "time" out further and further, eventually reaching my first cigarette free day. I was entirely SHOCKED, actually.

But, if you want to do this, you can. You need to evaluate whether you need more nicotine, a higher strength tank, for hard moments, but most of all, you must, at some point, put down the cigarettes. If you are only smoking a couple, I might suggest just shooting for a cigarette free DAY, just one, and if you meet with success you will have shown yourself it is possible to do this. You can tell yourself all day long that you will dual use.... tomorrow. And you can, if you need to, but that first cigarette free day can be huge.

I wish you all the luck in the world, and I'm sure you can get there.

Anna
 

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Upping your nicotine of your juice is one way. Or finding a juice that is so delicious that you can’t stand the terrible taste of a cigarette is another. With this I think your brain will associate deliciousness with nicotine and it will reject getting nicotine any other way. Good luck to you, I hope whatever you do it’s successful.
 

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Hey man,
I did the dual smoke / vape thing for about a month before I went to just vaping. I started out as replacing one cigarette a day with vaping, than two, than I was 50/50 for a while, then eventually I just started craving the vape more than cigs, gave my last pack to a coworker.

I do mouth-to-lung style vaping. When I started I needed 18 mg nicotine level, now 12 mg is the perfect amount for me. I can't chain vape as I have to work... so I prefer high nicotine juice to curb the nicotine craving.

I wouldn't worry to much about dual use... any cigarette not smoked is a good thing.

L8r,
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Lukus

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Thank you Anna's some really useful advice there! I definitely think I need to increasing nicotine I'm pretty sure the guy at the shop said 2 nicotine shots makes 100ml 3 or 6mg now that I think of it wnd that's way too low.

Friday I had a cigarette free day as I refused to go buy more. Something else is when you reduce your smoking and get used to vaping tasty swee fruit goodness, unicorn tears and Angelina Jolie's breast milk, when you have a cig it's ....ing horrible! Thanks Anna, glad to know you we similar.
 

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    Hey guys, was anyone else guilty of this? I just can't seem to shake 1 or 2 smokes during the day, I feel like my vaping is pointless as a result even though I know it isnt.

    I used to smoke 12-18 roll ups a day at work so its a CIGnificant reduction/improvement. Does anyone have any tips, ive been vaping almost 2 weeks now and I did first start vaping 2 years ago but it broke and I got so angry replacing coils I went back.

    Im not sure what mg of nicotine im on I should probably be on about 10? But in my 100ml bottles I've got two nic shots each. How much does that work out as?

    Thanks so much for all your help yesterday too,
    Luke.

    Hi Luke. Welcome to the ECF.

    I wouldn't feel Vaping is pointless if you gave up Vaping and then Smoked More than the 1 or 2 you are at right Now.

    Completely Quitting Smoking can be Tough. I know it was for Me.

    Here is something I posted Yesterday that might Help you...

    Hi Cheeri. Welcome to the ECF.

    I Dual-Used for about 6 Months. Things went well but I struggled Quitting those last 2 or 3 Cigarettes. Especially the Mourning Coffee/After Dinner smoke.

    What worked for me was to use 2 Set-ups.

    One set-up had my Day-2-Day Nicotine Level. And the Other set-up was my "Break Glass In Case of Emergencies" which had a Much Higher Nicotine level in it.

    The 2nd Set-Up is what I used in the Mourning with my Coffee and after Dinner. It also was a Saved me Many Times during that first 2 ~ 3 Weeks of being completely Smoke Free when the Wild Cravings would come out of Nowhere.

    Making the Complete Switch was Tough for me. And took some Teeth Gritting at times. But I got thru it.

    And You Can Too.

    So since you have to have a Complete working Back-Up for your e-Cigarette anyway, I would Suggest getting some Higher than Normal Nicotine level e-Liquid and putting it into your 2nd set-up.

    And use that 2nd Set-Up to replace those Last Few Cigarettes that can be Hard to Quit.
     

    Steve Parry

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    I started vaping with no intention of quitting smoking. It was 2009, e-cigs were a bit of a novelty. For a couple years I smoked and vaped. Then I got a good device, and got down to 3-5 smokes a day. One in the morning, one after lunch, and one before bed.

    Basically, I had to meet my sister for breakfast one day, so I skipped my bedtime and morning smokes. Got busy with work, and before I realized it I was 24 hrs without a smoke. I decided to see how long I could go. That was 6 years ago.

    Don't get discouraged with it. Every smoke avoided is a good thing. When you find what works for you, it will pay off.
     

    Lukus

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    Ps I think the nicotine shots were 18mg..I filled them up in the vape shop chucks them for me.

    Wow thanks ßteve..I think I've found my flavor it's Boston Cream by Dough Beos...definitely think it's too low nicotine..I think I'm using 6mg..I used to smoke about 15 Amber Leaf tobacco roll ups ... Whats the reccmmendation for someone with my smoking history??
     

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    Rollies are pretty potent. Sounds like you were the equivalent of a pack a day smoker.

    So, for MTL setups, anywhere from 12--24 mg/ml would probably work, and you are correct that your nicotine level of 6 is probably too low. If you decide on a DL setup, you could vape it anywhere from 6--12, 12 being on the rather high side.

    I'm overestimating a bit, because they were rollies. However, you've decreased your smoking a lot with a low nicotine content setup, so I might err on the side of caution and start somewhere in the 12 mg/ml range, and see how that suits you. If it's too high, could drop to 10 mg/ml, if it feels too low, could go higher.

    I use 18 mg/ml in my setups, and I was smoking 3 ppd when I quit. I wanted a bit of room to chain vape, as I really needed to be doing SOMETHING as I transitioned, so chain vaping it was.

    Lots of folks do find that over time, they are able to reduce the nicotine content in their setups.

    Best of luck,

    Anna
     

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    Many people smoke half a cigarette and relight the other half the next time they want to smoke. The 2nd half will taste funky and that's the point. I agree about upping your nic content. I started at 24 and am currently at 12.

    Keep experimenting and don't worry about the short term cost. Once you have vaping dialed in, you'll save lot's of money.
     

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    Welcome Lukus. A lot of people dual use for a lot longer than two weeks, so there's nothing unusual there.

    If your current nicotine level is working for you most of the time, you might consider getting a second setup. Most people recommend getting a backup anyway so you don't go back to smoking if it breaks down (which seems to be what happened to you last time.) Anyway, you can have your current nicotine level in one and use it most of the time, and then have another with more nicotine for a harder hit whenever you're really struggling. I know a few people here have done that, and it's worked for them.

    Good luck!
     

    stols001

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    Mouth to lung (way of inhalation) usually higher than 1.0 resistance (but not always) lower wattage, higher nicotine.

    DL-- Inhale like sucking through a straw, more vapor, less nicotine usually, lower resistance coils.

    You can tell me you have a tesla tank, and that tells me the manufacturer, but if you can't name the tank, the resistance of the coils and etc., that is somewhat meaningless, since I assume Teslacigs makes more than one tank.

    Hope this brief description helps a bit though.

    Anna
     
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    Congrats on starting to vape. You're doing fine, just gotta change how you're looking at that glass. You've now cut down to only 1 or 2 a DAY. Can you believe that! Hopefully in a little bit, you'll only being saying 1, and finally ... none. No more tar going into your lungs or turning stuff brown. Pretty soon you'll start tasting things better (even though that's not always a good thing), clothes won't smell, hell, even going for longer walks.
     

    Justin L

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    I’ve only been vaping for about 9 days now and have not had a cigarette in 8 days. What I do is just remind myself why I started vaping each time I get a craving. Which for me is my health, so I just think about those 7,000 combustible chemicals in cigarettes. And I enjoy just simply being able to say ”I’ve made it 8 days without a single cigarette” it feels good. I personally don’t want to ruin those 8 long days with 1 cigarette. Plus I’ve noticed that the amount of cigarette cravings reduce tremendously, my 1st 2-4 days I would get like 15-20 strong cravings well the last few days it’s about half that. Just keep trying. You’ll make it.
     

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    I'm guilty of being in the same club.

    What did it for me is that had switched to menthol cigs a few years back to align with my wife.

    One day, I tried some straight menthol juice (no tobacco flavor). This was a flavor I could truly do all day. So the next day I said "this is it" and I was finally able to stick with vape only.

    I realized that the novelty of flavored vaping was the thing keeping from using it as a complete tobacco replacement.

    But, as they say, your mileage may vary.
     
    HI
    Took me a full 1 1/2 year of dual and cigs usually won out as was NOT smoking a high enough mg. And the air flow for the hit of nicotine was not enough to get that heavy crave monkey off my back.

    I went up to mixing 18mg with 1/3 24mg and that hit the spot but still the airflow of needing so much into my body.

    I then said to heck with info and switched to a eleaf Mello 2 tank. Filled correct with just a 6mg and the air flow cut down to 1/3 open to get the draw I needed.
    Still cheated with cigs.... as the mg was not high enough to I bought a small bottle of 11mg. Would fill tank with 6mg up to almost full with topping it off with the 11mg. Maybe bringing the amount to a 8mg. Hit the spot.
    The whole time I kept that pack of cigs right next to me (hospital bed at home table) in case I lost the battle.
    The 8mg in Mello2 using Juice Mafia Storm and Heathers Triple flavor I loved so kept hitting that and it worked.

    Two weeks ago had a very bad day (ER day) said screw it gonna die I want that last cig. Those 3 hits off regular cig tasted so nasty I put it out and upped my nic e-juice for a few hours to around a 9 which they say is way to high for sub ohm.
    It worked.

    I am Now using the Eleaf ELLO TS Atomizer 4ml And usually try to use only 6mg but certain parts of the day still need to resort to the 7 to 8mgs during bad times. I like a warm vape so start the tank off at 30watts and move by 3 or so points up in watts as it gets cooler. Change the coil when it hits around 40watts. I use the huge flavor producing a Eleaf ELLO Mini HW2 0.3 ohm Dual-Cylinder Coil Head
    I have 5 set up tanks with favorite flavors and then the emergency higher hit mg. Yep best debt I went into again.

    For sure follow Anna's advice she has a heart of gold and really really brilliant in vaping info in my mind.
    All the other people posting to you are the same type as Anna with huge hearts in wanting to help.
    Hope my little bit can help you. And from the sound of your writing Anna said it best...not enough ..need higher nicotine.
    Heck when I did the then (last year) so pricey Pico and Mello tanks plus buying ejuices in 100% VG I had to use credit card. Best debt I ever went into :)
    Back last year I set up all next to me and the pack of cigs and said "whats it gonna be" Monkey on your back or ecigs.

    I also have to admit that I hoped changing to ecigs would cut down the amount of from Hell itself attacks. Alas no but now I no longer Stink of a cig and love my vaping. That last cig last month cured me for good it was sooooo nasty in taste.
    Yes my word of honor you will reach that point in life with vaping.

    So in my mind you are doing awesome in the amount of your duel. Keep the positive in your mind. Even if you cheat turn right around and do the vape.
    Good luck n Blessings to keep you strong
    .....and figure out what set up and mg will really help you
     
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