Still smoking support and chat thread

[AndriaD]

The hard part with a kayfun or r91 style is that they aren't very flexible to different coil styles. You basically have a single coil in either vertical or horizontal orientation and possibly dual coils or a diamond build or a multi-strand coil...

I will think about it and play around some for you though. Btw, what's the pg/vg ratio on the juice you use so I can match it for wicking and adjustable variables?

I try to stick with high PG, usually at least 75% Pg, in my kayfuns, just 'cause I keep my "ADV" in my two kayfuns -- day tank, frost white, pearl white vv3, white ceramic driptip, 10-ish mg; and evening tank, smoke tank, chameleon vv3, smoke pyrex driptip, 8-ish mg.

Of course lately I've been practically obsessed with the blueberry muffin/banana nut bread in my Smok UDCT.

Andria

 

[Uncle]

Great idea Uncle...

Now, WordPress blogger or tumblr?

No - ECF under "Your" handle . . . See bottom left of this post or directly under Ya' proflie . . .

 

[darksparkle13]

I think I'll make it a 3 part thing.

Beginner, intermediate and tricks.

Any suggested builds that anyone wants to see?

Almost need a thread for this lol! Would it be better that way, mods?

Just got a Kfl+ I use heavier vg... And will be wicking with rayon, 28 gauge kenthal. I build regularly for my spheroid at a 1.1-1.4 ohms. I leave the legs longer for less of a throat hit, do you do the same for Kfl?

 

[etherealink]

Just got a Kfl+ I use heavier vg... And will be wicking with rayon, 28 gauge kenthal. I build regularly for my spheroid at a 1.1-1.4 ohms. I leave the legs longer for less of a throat hit, do you do the same for Kfl?

Not quite sure what you're asking, but I'll drop some pics of my recent rebuild after my nap... kfl with cotton. Any pics of the spheroid and your build on it?

 

[Timothy Moore]

Yes, I def would like that. I was actually looking online for just a general, basic building tutorial. The basic things common to all builds. I know each device has its particulars which must be figured out, but it always helps to be starting from a good foundation.

I think I about have my cotton wicks down. Wicking on a dripper seemed a lot easier. For me, it seems that wicking on an RBA tank is a little more "you better have your technique down" so still coming over that learning curve. So far I have learned keep the fibers loose and the overall width so that it is slightly snug within the coil. Not loose. Not so thick it pulls on the coil.
Anyways, looking forward to seeing your tutorial to see if there is anything else I can pick up.

I know you are going to post it in PIF. Maybe you can put a link here or let us know when it is posted there. I don't browse around too much anymore and don't want to miss it.

Would anyone mind if I did a coil building and wicking tutorial (beginner level ) on here?

 

[Timothy Moore]

Thank you, ShariD. That is very encouraging.
I am glad that our conversations can be useful to others.

I think I still might wait a week after this WTA bottle runs out to see if my analog cravings increase to see if the WTA are actually doing anything. Then again, I may be playing with fire on that one. I have now one full day of non-smoking under my belt and tacking smoke-free days does build up a motivation to stay smoke-free. It's always at least slightly discouraging to restart at day one again. Even if we should "take it one day at a time" and not let a "day one restart" discourage us, it does. Or at least it tried.

Thing is, if it works, it works. Is it really important how it works if it works? (I have been more self-conscious of my tendency to overthink things lately. Wondering if I am overthinking the whole WTA issue and shouldn't just go ahead and order some more before my gifted bottle runs out.)

Tim. I am happy that you are sharing with us your journey with vaping. The conversations you and Etherealink have been having are very insightful and helpful for all who read here. You should know that your sharing here is helping many others that may be too shy to post.

Too many people get the impression that when you start vaping you automatically stop smoking and all in the world is wonderful, forever. That is not how this usually works. Yes, many do put the cigarettes down soon after starting to vape, but very few do not go through the exact same trials and struggles you are going through now. They just do not write about it here or anywhere else on a vaping forum.

I think you are doing great on your journey. You are learning things about yourself and how to approach those periods of craving. We all get them. I have been vaping and have not had a cigarette in over a year and once in a while I will get a strong urge to smoke. Sometimes I know what triggers it, sometimes I have no clue. But it is real. The ability to be able to come here and read and share with others that are real with where they are in their vaping journey is precious.

I have never used the WTA so I am not a good one to advise you on its use. But it seems to be helping you so I would be keeping a bottle of on hand.

 

[AndriaD]

Just got a Kfl+ I use heavier vg... And will be wicking with rayon, 28 gauge kenthal. I build regularly for my spheroid at a 1.1-1.4 ohms. I leave the legs longer for less of a throat hit, do you do the same for Kfl?

I don't know the spheroid... but with a kayfun, "longer legs" would mean the coil is sitting high, which actually increases TH.

Andria

 

[Timothy Moore]

Yeah, I was just responding to Shari that I was still kind of on the fence about ordering some more. I have been using it sparingly, but it does seem to help.

Maybe I should go ahead and pull the trigger on that one. Get some more before I run out.

And that WTA is great stuff too. It really helped those cravings I was getting, in my 2nd week back to smoke-free, and it got me thru the 3wk point with none of that depression/self-pity crap. I just got another bottle, from Aroma, so I'll be ready when I get close to that 3mo point.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Thank you, ShariD. That is very encouraging.
I am glad that our conversations can be useful to others.

I think I still might wait a week after this WTA bottle runs out to see if my analog cravings increase to see if the WTA are actually doing anything. Then again, I may be playing with fire on that one. I have now one full day of non-smoking under my belt and tacking smoke-free days does build up a motivation to stay smoke-free. It's always at least slightly discouraging to restart at day one again. Even if we should "take it one day at a time" and not let a "day one restart" discourage us, it does. Or at least it tried.

Thing is, if it works, it works. Is it really important how it works if it works? (I have been more self-conscious of my tendency to overthink things lately. Wondering if I am overthinking the whole WTA issue and shouldn't just go ahead and order some more before my gifted bottle runs out.)

The WTA *really works* -- in my 2nd week smoke-free (this time), the cravings were hitting me almost as hard as they did when I had been vape-free for 4 days, and even though I had ZERO plans to smoke, and zero toleration for even thinking about it, the cravings just hounded me. I had the WTA here already, got it while I was still weaning off the smokes, so I added some to my kayfun the next morning when I topped it up... later that night, I realized I hadn't had a single craving all day. So I kept it in the mix, to try and avoid that horrible depressed self-pity that hit me my first go-round at the 3wk point. This time, on the day I was 3 wks smoke-free, I was playing loud rock n roll and singing my heart out, boogieing around the kitchen while I was cooking, etc, making my cat stare at me like I was a crazy person... The very opposite of depressed! THAT STUFF REALLY WORKS!!!!

Andria

 

[Timothy Moore]

yyyyyeeeeeeahhhh, i went ahead and ordered a couple bottles this morning.
Thanks to GtrSoloist, you, and everyone else in the thread.

The WTA *really works* -- in my 2nd week smoke-free (this time), the cravings were hitting me almost as hard as they did when I had been vape-free for 4 days, and even though I had ZERO plans to smoke, and zero toleration for even thinking about it, the cravings just hounded me. I had the WTA here already, got it while I was still weaning off the smokes, so I added some to my kayfun the next morning when I topped it up... later that night, I realized I hadn't had a single craving all day. So I kept it in the mix, to try and avoid that horrible depressed self-pity that hit me my first go-round at the 3wk point. This time, on the day I was 3 wks smoke-free, I was playing loud rock n roll and singing my heart out, boogieing around the kitchen while I was cooking, etc, making my cat stare at me like I was a crazy person... The very opposite of depressed! THAT STUFF REALLY WORKS!!!!

Andria

 

[etherealink]

OK, for those who asked, here's the link to my coil and wicking thread. Its not ready yet but, I will toss it out so folks that are interested can find it and stay tuned.

Uncle, I had to jump into the browser, instead of tapatalk, but I will be condensing the threads "lessons" into the blog so its faster to check out for the more advanced builders.

If anyone is interested I have a basic outline of what I want to do and would love input from anyone Cuz I may have missed something or you would like something added that you don't see.

If you want to see the outline just yell.

First actual post tonight: Safety when rebuilding.


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13941605

 

[GtrSoloist]

Hey Guys, I'm lurking if not posting. Not really vaping right now... but that will change soon enough. Going to pick up some coconut water next time I'm at the store and see if that helps with the dehydration.

Tim, I'm glad the WTA is working for you. That stuff helped with my cravings a lot, but I couldn't get past the slight tobacco flavor that I just found off-putting. I'm afraid to try the aroma line of flavored WTA's, but I guess that would be my next step.

When I start vaping more than smoking again, a kfl+ is the first thing on my wishlist.

Last night was pretty cool though. I went to a charity event where a lot of strip performers come on their night off to perform and the theme was soul/funk. Some notable performers were Bubba Knight aka Pip Number 1, (Gladys Knight and the Pips) Mary Wilson (The Supremes,) Clint Holmes, one of the AGT winners (forget his name, and a bunch of other performers. It took place at a nice small room at the Hard Rock, and you can rub shoulders and take pics with the talent afterwords if you,re into that. The band rocked; it was a blast. I never thought I would see Paul Shortino (Quiet Riot, Raiding the Rock Vault) sing Marvin Gaye.

Have a good night.

 

[ShariR]

My tobaccos are all 70pg/300vg, I am playing with 70/30, 60/40 and 50/50. I can't go below 50/50 cuz the vg gives me a heavy chest and not good for my breathing. I am a boring coil winder. I do not do dual coils. I use 28ga and 30ga kanthal, more 30. I do have some twisted ribbon but do not have a clue what to do with it. lol

I vape between 1.4 to 2.0ohms coils on my Provari Mini. I have been ending up with coils around 1.7 to 2.0 ohms the last month or so. I usually run at around 3.6 to 4.2 volts, the higher for the tobaccos.

So boring coils and narrow range for my vaping. I am using CVS sterile cotton and I tried the rayon and put it aside for now.

The hard part with a Kayfun or r91 style is that they aren't very flexible to different coil styles. You basically have a single coil in either vertical or horizontal orientation and possibly dual coils or a diamond build or a multi-strand coil...

I will think about it and play around some for you though. Btw, what's the pg/vg ratio on the juice you use so I can match it for wicking and adjustable variables?

 

[ShariR]

Just got a Kfl+ I use heavier vg... And will be wicking with rayon, 28 gauge kenthal.- I build regularly for my spheroid at a 1.1-1.4 ohms. I leave the legs longer for less of a throat hit, do you do the same for Kfl?

I make sure I raise my coil above the screws so I do not have the harsh throat hits on the r91 and the kfl. I read the higher the better. I also read that on the Igo-L you want to line the coil up with the airhole and on the Magma RDA you want the coil as close to the airhole on the deck as you can get it. So it looks like different things to know for each device.

 

[ShariR]

I found putting up a Quit banner really helped me with the incentive to not pick up that first cigarette. I liked watching the numbers get larger and I would look at it and say, do I really want to give up 3 days quit, or 7 days, or 10 day 11 hours. The money saved is a joke for me since I do not think I will ever break even. But I am not smoking so who cares. But it was fun to see how much I was spending on cigarettes each week. It is surprising when you see it add up day after day. Makes you think a little more. Sometimes thinking is good.

Thank you, ShariD. That is very encouraging.
I am glad that our conversations can be useful to others.

I think I still might wait a week after this WTA bottle runs out to see if my analog cravings increase to see if the WTA are actually doing anything. Then again, I may be playing with fire on that one. I have now one full day of non-smoking under my belt and tacking smoke-free days does build up a motivation to stay smoke-free. It's always at least slightly discouraging to restart at day one again. Even if we should "take it one day at a time" and not let a "day one restart" discourage us, it does. Or at least it tried.

Thing is, if it works, it works. Is it really important how it works if it works? (I have been more self-conscious of my tendency to overthink things lately. Wondering if I am overthinking the whole WTA issue and shouldn't just go ahead and order some more before my gifted bottle runs out.)

 

[ShariR]

Are you saying that I have that backwards. Oh for crying out loud, everything is confusing me lately. lol

I don't know the spheroid... but with a kayfun, "longer legs" would mean the coil is sitting high, which actually increases TH.

Andria

 

[etherealink]

I make sure I raise my coil above the screws so I do not have the harsh throat hits on the r91 and the kfl. I read the higher the better. I also read that on the Igo-L you want to line the coil up with the airhole and on the Magma RDA you want the coil as close to the airhole on the deck as you can get it. So it looks like different things to know for each device.

Exactly Shari. With micro coils and drippers get out to the airflow

 

[etherealink]

Are you saying that I have that backwards. Oh for crying out loud, everything is confusing me lately. lol

I like minimal throat hit and always keep my coil 1/8" to 1/4" above the airhole in my kfl.

 

[darksparkle13]

I make sure I raise my coil above the screws so I do not have the harsh throat hits on the r91 and the kfl. I read the higher the better. I also read that on the Igo-L you want to line the coil up with the airhole and on the Magma RDA you want the coil as close to the airhole on the deck as you can get it. So it looks like different things to know for each device.

Sheri that is exactly what I have foud. With my research as well! The higher the coil above the deck the less harsh the throat hit!

Ethereal what Sheri has described is what I was looking for, so the taller the coil the less throat hit, I think it has to do with the amount of air going over the coil
Andria here is a link to the spheroid http://www.vapourart.com/en/product/gp-spheroid-version-3 if you watch the animation you will see the placement of the coil in comparison to the air flow, the longer the wire before the coil the less of a th?
I can't rave enough about the spheroid it can lay oh it's side, stand up right doesn't matter the juice flow and flavor, and cloud production are perfect on every hit! Maybe I am spoiled by this lol

 

[AndriaD]

My tobaccos are all 70pg/300vg, I am playing with 70/30, 60/40 and 50/50. I can't go below 50/50 cuz the vg gives me a heavy chest and not good for my breathing. I am a boring coil winder. I do not do dual coils. I use 28ga and 30ga kanthal, more 30. I do have some twisted ribbon but do not have a clue what to do with it. lol

I vape between 1.4 to 2.0ohms coils on my Provari Mini. I have been ending up with coils around 1.7 to 2.0 ohms the last month or so. I usually run at around 3.6 to 4.2 volts, the higher for the tobaccos.

So boring coils and narrow range for my vaping. I am using CVS sterile cotton and I tried the rayon and put it aside for now.

I guess I'm boring too, then; I always do coils somewhere between 1.6 and 1.9 Ω, and usually run whatever mod I'm using somewhere between 7 and 9.5 watts, depending on time of day and how my asthma is at that moment -- if I'm not breathing well I can't handle throat hit, though that's my favorite part! But the great thing about vaping to me -- well aside from getting rid of cigarettes! -- is that I can customize it that way, and even have different ejuices with differing amounts of TH, so I can still vape even *IF* I'm not breathing too well -- I just don't inhale, if the lungs are being finicky.

I can't stand dual coils, they're just too hot, and ruin my delicate-tasting Virginia something awful. I was using organic cotton, and the taste is really good, but cotton is such a huge PITA to get the right amount; I still use it in my RSBT because that tank is so prone to leaking, but for all my other tanks I use rayon/cellucotton, because it's a lot less finicky about that mystical "right" amount. At some point I might try that japanese KGD cotton, it's supposed to be really excellent, but it's kinda pricey, so that can wait.

I suspect it makes me an even more boring coil-builder that I really don't care at all for compressed, "micro" coils. They seem to really concentrate the heat, which for my style of vaping is not really a good thing; I don't cloud chase, in fact I really can't handle high-VG "clouds" at all, they choke me and irritate the asthma, so extreme heat isn't something I want -- as you can easily tell by my usual wattage range. I have sometimes gone as high as 10 or 10.5 watts, but it's rare. Extreme heat also wears out wicks a lot faster, though rayon does seem a great deal more heat tolerant than cotton, perhaps nearly as much so as silica.

Guess I'm just one of those boring ex-smokers who'd really like to continue being an ex-smoker, and I don't need fancy builds or monster clouds; I started building my own coils mainly out of curiosity, because I heard that it really improved the vaping experience, and also to save money, because buying all those replacement coils all the time was for the birds!

Andria