Stimulant Ciggs vs Vaping

[Geocentric14]

Does anyone know why vaping seems to be much more of a stimulant then smoking? Been vaping about a month and it keeps me WIDE AWAKE. I don't have insomnia due to vaping but I can definitely tell a huge difference between ciggs and vaping when I go to bed. For reference I was a pack a day or so smoker and I vape 12 mg. I know I can switch to lower nic at night, but I'm more curious about the biochemistry difference between the two.

 

[LucentShadow]

I never noticed much difference, but I'd say that the lack of carbon monoxide (and probably a few of the many chemicals in cigs) would cause vaping to have less of a depressive effect than smoking.

 

[Geocentric14]

Interesting, I seem to notice a significant difference between the two. I used to crave that first cup of coffee when I got to work, and now I could possibly not even have it.

 

[Rickajho]

Hi

Vaping may have nothing to do with it. Just how long has it been since you completely quit smoking? Insomnia is a known "side effect" to quitting smoking. I went through all sorts of sleep change problems in those two months after I quit smoking. Then things settled right down after that.

There is a possibility that you are getting too much nicotine from your vaping experience. But at only 12 mg that would be uncommon unless you are going through a huge ton of liquid (5ml's or more) each day.

 

[Geocentric14]

Hi

Vaping may have nothing to do with it. Just how long has it been since you completely quit smoking? Insomnia is a known "side effect" to quitting smoking. I went through all sorts of sleep change problems in those two months after I quit smoking. Then things settled right down after that.

There is a possibility that you are getting too much nicotine from your vaping experience. But at only 12 mg that would be uncommon unless you are going through a huge ton of liquid (5ml's or more) each day.

I only go through 2,5 to 3 mls a day. Interesting point though. I figured that since I don't really crave ciggs anymore that I was beyond the withdrawal symptoms.

 

[Rickajho]

I only go through 2,5 to 3 mls a day. Interesting point though. I figured that since I don't really crave ciggs anymore that I was beyond the withdrawal symptoms.

Everyone is different when it comes to quit smoking withdrawal. But do keep in mind that you have suddenly pulled the plug on your body getting those 4,000-ish compounds that come along with burning processed tobacco. Your body goes through a lot of adjustments to all that stuff it is no longer taking in. When you switch from smoking to vaping it isn't just about the nicotine. In as much that nicotine is a stimulant, a lot of those compounds you take in from smoking can really suppress & drag you down as well. It takes more than a few weeks to discover "the new you" when you quit smoking.

 

[Sackskin]

I haven't had any sleep issues thankfully...hopefully your sleep problems will go away also.

 

[Geocentric14]

I haven't had any sleep issues thankfully...hopefully your sleep problems will go away also.

Thanks sack. I don't really have sleep problems per se but I definitely feel a lot more jittery.

 

[Geocentric14]

Everyone is different when it comes to quit smoking withdrawal. But do keep in mind that you have suddenly pulled the plug on your body getting those 4,000-ish compounds that come along with burning processed tobacco. Your body goes through a lot of adjustments to all that stuff it is no longer taking in. When you switch from smoking to vaping it isn't just about the nicotine. In as much that nicotine is a stimulant, a lot of those compounds you take in from smoking can really suppress & drag you down as well. It takes more than a few weeks to discover "the new you" when you quit smoking.

hmmm.....maybe I just a hell of a lot more energy then I'm used to after smoking for so long. Makes me feel like I was a lethargic bum before though. I cant sit and watch tv like I used too

 

[VapHer]

I've definitely noticed a huge difference as well... I have a really, really hard time falling asleep at night (more than usual, and I'm an insominac anyway.)

 

[Leithan]

I don't know about vaping, but ECF has been costing me some sleep.

 

[Geocentric14]

I've definitely noticed a huge difference as well... I have a really, really hard time falling asleep at night (more than usual, and I'm an insominac anyway.)

How much did you used to smoke and whats mg are you vaping?

 

[Rickajho]

Thanks sack. I don't really have sleep problems per se but I definitely feel a lot more jittery.

But you din't say anything about the jitters!

Hmmm. Read here, but don't scare yourself:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/3305-list-symptoms-when-quitting-tobacco-changing-ecigarette.html

Specifically:

"3. Headache, Nausea, Shakiness - but see #V4
These, together with irritability, inability to concentrate, poor sleep, depression and so on, are common nicotine withdrawal symptoms. If you are using a low-strength refill liquid and not absorbing as much nicotine as when you normally smoked, you can experience these withdrawal symptoms, which typically last only a few days to a week. Perhaps the use of a higher nic strength refill liquid might be a good idea temporarily, reducing the strength as needed. But: see V4"

When you scroll down to section V4 you will get the other side of the story: Symptoms about nicotine overdose.

My take on this is you have to look at your overall body experience in order to sort out what is going on. Just for example: After quitting smoking feeling jittery and having trouble sleeping? Most likely quit smoking withdrawal. Feeling jittery, having trouble sleeping, heart is prone to racing and breaking out in sweats? Time to revisit your nicotine level.

Because everyone's experience is so different there is no quick and easy answer. I did not have a pleasant transition. My first two weeks of transitioning were nearly as bad as any previous quit smoking experience: Insomnia, jitters, brain fried shot to hell concentration and attention span. Some things got better sooner - my attention span was back to normal in two weeks. But it took two months before I got a regular, decent nights sleep again. And I was questioning back and forth if it was too little or too much nicotine. In hind sight - again, my experience - I was definitely suffering from nicotine withdrawal versus nicotine overdose.

 

[alisa1970]

I experienced that first hand as well...when I first started vaping I was not feeling the "Ahhhhh" moments I had when I smoked. It was just all jitter and hyper. I made myself nic sic because I couldn't feel the satisfaction that I got from the cigs so I just kept on vaping. I didn't eat, barely slept, and couldn't stop. At least I wasn't smoking...

Then I read about Whole Tobacco Alkaloids and the MAOI's in tobacco that aren't in our ejuice. Check it out.


I was always taught that "nicotine" was both a stimulant, and a depressant, and your body synthesized the nic differently depending on what you needed. Actually, the alkaloids are the "stabilizer" to the nicotine, and they control (or rather keep) the dopamine that you produce from the nicotine from getting dumped like it would if you weren't a smoker.

So as smokers, we're used to a higher level of dopamine in our systems, and when we quit smoking and vape only, there's no MAOI's to control the dopamine dump. The nicotine triggers more production of dopamine, but our bodies get rid of it more effectively now. This is what causes some of the depressive feelings you might get after you quit, too.

 

[GinaS]

I've quit smoking several times over the years and always have a ton more energy. This time is no different. I agree with the others who say that it's most likely the lack of all those nasty chemicals.

 

[SharonMM]

Not me, I wish. When I vape I just feel normal, if I overvape I get sleepy. It's happened to me repeatedly during my nightly drip sessions. Now, If I don't vape for a few hours I feel a little jumpy but that's a nic fit. Not what you're describing. I wish I did get a jolt from vaping though. As it is, all my energy now comes from a can.

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[SFBrianT]

It's been 2 months since I had a smoke and I have found that I fall asleep much faster and sleep much better. But I also wake up earlier, but I feel more refreshed.

 

[Ryan1888]

I must be a weirdo but vaping has no ill effect in relation to sleep with me. In fact, if it's around bedtime and I vape a lot then it actually puts me to sleep. I attribute it to getting a good dose of nicotine.

However, I should say that I have never felt a caffeine rush or felt energised in the slightest from energy drinks either.

 

[SissySpike]

I think there's probably something to this I sure quitting smoking has all sorts of side affects. Also It might take some people to time to build up an immunity to nicotine in this form. Kinda like coffee if you have a cup of coffee after supper every blue moon it can keep you awake but if its routine it dose not affect you much.

 

[VapHer]

How much did you used to smoke and whats mg are you vaping?

I Vape 18-24mg, and use to smoke a pack and a half per day (Marlboro Light 100s)


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