stubborn older people

[spider362]

I was 70 when I started vaping (was a 1 pack per day smoker for 60 years), but it wasn't because I thumbed my nose at the idea or had any medical problems it was because I'd never heard of an e-cig. But as soon as I figured out what they were I jumped on them with both feet and haven't looked back since.

 

[Meggers]

You also need to keep in mind that most people know (or know of) at least one elderly smoker with no apparent health problems. It's a crap shoot; a gamble. I love it when people talk about how a 96-year-old "died from smoking" as if that's what really killed him instead of old age. For heaven's sake, you have to die eventually - something is going to get you.

Yeah. I love it. Someone dies and they're like 75 or 80 years old and some idiot says, "Well you know...he/she smoked." He/she was 80! People think they're going to live forever. People also always want a reason why someone died so they can avoid whatever it was that person was doing. They forget the first two things that are going to kill you. Genetics and people talking/texting on their cell phones while driving.

 

[subliminalurge]

the effects of cigarettes are death, dont know how much worse vaping could possibly be, lol

But is death really the worst thing that can happen? Especially to someone who has already lived a reasonably full, complete life?

Which is better? Do you want to live for 10 more enjoyable years, or 15 miserable ones?

For some people, the strain of giving up smoking would equate to the latter.

I'm 40 years old. If you told me that I could have a 6-pack of beer every night for the rest of my life and live to the age of 75, or I could live until 90 if I never had an ice cold beer on a hot afternoon ever again, ya know what? I'd choose 75.

Living longer is a great goal, but it's not "everything". If those extra years aren't going to be good ones, then what's the point?

I know I certainly wouldn't give up smoking over any health concerns. I'm doing it purely because it's just getting to be too freakin' expensive.

 

[DaveP]

There are lots of things I wish I had pushed myself to do earlier in life. Jogging every day, stopping smoking, buying life insurance (when it's cheaper), and a raft of others. Most of us look back a few years, even at 40, and decide we should have done something different.

 

[Meggers]

There are lots of things I wish I had pushed myself to do earlier in life. Jogging every day, stopping smoking, buying life insurance (when it's cheaper), and a raft of others. Most of us look back a few years, even at 40, and decide we should have done something different.

I don't know. I've never looked back and thought...I should of been married a few more times. ...

 

[Uncle Willie]

I had a major heart attack and the first thing I did when I got out of the hospital was, guess what .. ?? Light up a Marlboro .. and kept smoking for 3 years ..

Although the odds are not as good, all smokers do not die of smoking related illness ..

You have to be ready to quit .. and using an e-gig is not truly quiting ..

 

[Meggers]

I had a major heart attack and the first thing I did when I got out of the hospital was, guess what .. ?? Light up a Marlboro .. and kept smoking for 3 years ..

Although the odds are not as good, all smokers do not die of smoking related illness ..

You have to be ready to quit .. and using an e-gig is not truly quiting ..

No. but at least I can breathe again. No coughing or hacking up smerfs!

 

[martinc]

I wouldnt worry much,you planted the seed in his mind,let the roots take foot.

A guy at work to which i sold a 510 kit didnt use it..at all.

Wasnt ready he kept telling me...that was almost 2 months ago.

He went to his parent`s and let it there...his parents prolly tought it was evil,so they threw it in the bin.

He is now looking for a bigger kit.

 

[DaveP]

Each to his or her own. Vaping is definitely better than smoking, even if it turns out to have some issues up the road.

 

[Uncle Willie]

No. but at least I can breathe again. No coughing or hacking up smerfs!

Yep, there are benefits .. the money savings alone, for me anyway, was pretty good ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

Each to his or her own. Vaping is definitely better than smoking, even if it turns out to have some issues up the road.

That statement made me chuckle ..

 

[Semiretired]

I have a 64 year old cousin I converted. I got her a Joye 510 650mah in Oct right after I got mine. She only smoked 8 - 10 analogs a day. I have her just using carts with 8mg in them. One cart last her 1 day. I gave may carts so she has 10 filled all the time. I mix her juice and provide her 30ml a month (2 15ml bottles - one with tobacco accented with cherry and another accented with honey). She just puffs on it when she has an urge (2-3 puffs) and puts it down - does not carry it around with her unless she is out of the house. She is just a happy camper and thanks me every time she sees me. All of her kids have thanked me also - none of them smoked and they are happy she converted...

She had looked at the gas station versions, but they cost to much for her budget - this fit right in...

 

[subliminalurge]

Each to his or her own. Vaping is definitely better than smoking, even if it turns out to have some issues up the road.

Depending on a person's point of view it could also be said that "Smoking is better than not smoking, even if it turns out to have some issues up the road".

We all do things that "could" result in an earlier death. It's all a matter of deciding if it's worth the risk or not. I "could" be hit by a bus and killed on my way to work tomorrow morning. I'll still go to work.

Some people get enough of "somethign" out of smoking that they're willing to take the risk. That's just their choice and there's probably not much of anything that anyone can do to change their mind.

 

[DaveP]

Depending on a person's point of view it could also be said that "Smoking is better than not smoking, even if it turns out to have some issues up the road".

We all do things that "could" result in an earlier death. It's all a matter of deciding if it's worth the risk or not. I "could" be hit by a bus and killed on my way to work tomorrow morning. I'll still go to work.

Some people get enough of "somethign" out of smoking that they're willing to take the risk. That's just their choice and there's probably not much of anything that anyone can do to change their mind.

Nicotine, not being a carcinogen, according to the sources that I read, then the other culprits are PG, VG, and flavorings. All those are used and ingested daily by most of America. If it's PG, then pulmonary technicians are delivering a dangerous foggy substance to their patients in pneumonia breathing treatments. Concert goers and musicians are frequently exposed to the same fog. Maybe the danger will be frequent exposure from vaping 16 hours a day.

Ironically, what if it was the cake flavorings that create the fruit and candy flavors? Naw, those are continually baked in ovens where people sniff the aroma.

 

[Uncle Willie]

Of course, we can discount burning carto fiber ..

 

[nansc]

You Know sometimes older people don't want some young whippersnapper telling them how to live.All smokers know they need to quit are .Just show it as something you like and maybe they will think about.Some just mentioned to me that was how they quit so I did the reasearch and finally took the plunge.

 

[Paul S]

Some people just have a stronger-than-average aversion to change. When someone has been doing something as highly ritualized as smoking for over forty years, it can be difficult to even think about stopping, even with the knowledge that it's deadly, and that the substitute can be just as enjoyable.

Change is difficult; and it's not just older folks (I'm 59): Lots of younger people--with that feeling of "invincibility"--are just as resistant.

If you've let your stepfather know that the option is available, and that you're willing to help him make the transition, that's all that you can do. You're going to have to leave him alone, and let him come to you.

 

[martinc]

Like I said,plant the seed,and watch it grow...keep in touch,when they see its not just a fad and you been off analogs for 1 month then 2 months,they will get curious and ask questions...they are not ready yet at this point...but they will eventually show interest;

If they are family,invest a bit in them,get them a kit,give it to them.

You will feel an imeasurable amount of well-being if they use it and just cut down...I promise.

 

[txtumbleweed]

But is death really the worst thing that can happen? Especially to someone who has already lived a reasonably full, complete life?

Which is better? Do you want to live for 10 more enjoyable years, or 15 miserable ones?

For some people, the strain of giving up smoking would equate to the latter.

I'm 40 years old. If you told me that I could have a 6-pack of beer every night for the rest of my life and live to the age of 75, or I could live until 90 if I never had an ice cold beer on a hot afternoon ever again, ya know what? I'd choose 75.

Living longer is a great goal, but it's not "everything". If those extra years aren't going to be good ones, then what's the point?

I know I certainly wouldn't give up smoking over any health concerns. I'm doing it purely because it's just getting to be too freakin' expensive.

A smokers death from COPD is usually slow and miserable. They usually spend several years where they are on oxygen and have a struggle just breathing. I've had two family members die directly due to smoking within the last year. I also watched my father die the same miserable way so I would suggest quitting for health reasons is a very smart thing to do. There are several members on this forum that have already been diagnosed with COPD and were still smoking until we found out about vaping and our health has improved dramatically. We don't know what our road ahead will be like but it is already better than it was. The deal is most of you do not have COPD yet so stay away from the cigarettes and your lungs will have a chance to heal.

 

[otrpu]

I started vaping at 65 years old, after smoking tobacco cigs for 52 years (2.5 pad when I quit). I DIY my eLiquid and am now 0Nic0FA for more than 4 months. Way I got to Zero Nic was when I DIY my Zero Flavor Added, I accidentally forgot to put the Nic in the blend. After a couple days I decided what the hey, who needs it? JMHO

Cheers,
otrpu