Students testify on anti-smoking bill

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Petrodus

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As we all know... bans on E-cigarettes are sometimes included in
smoking bans and or amended later to include E-cigarettes
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The students were able to convince District 1 Reps. Pat Hatlestad and Gary Sukut
and Sen. Stan Lyson to put together a new version of the bill.

“It is unlawful for the operator or any passenger in a motor vehicle to ignite or
smoke a cigarette, pipe, cigar, or other combustible material if an individual
under thirteen years of age is present in the vehicle, regardless of whether
a window of the motor vehicle is down or whether the vehicle is parked
or on private property.”

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Your house is no longer your castle by the look of it. Your life is only private if you abide by millions of authoritarian laws designed to make you a criminal.
The worst thing is that the kids, ie. the future politicians, are being brainwashed to believe that it is cool to take away your rights.
 
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It seems like they don't want people to smoke in the car with their kids. As a former child who had to ride in smoky cars, I'm all for it. However, I think it's stupid to create a law based on this. You can't legislate intelligence or common sense. You either have it, or you don't. Most parents don't smoke in the car with their young children and they made that decision without the government telling them they had to. Some parents will do it anyway, but a new law isn't going to change that.

Don't the police have enough to do with all the seat belt and helmet tickets they have to write? /sarcasm

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse." - Um I think it will be very quickly. We have entirely too many of them to know them all!
 

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There's a reason why the anti smoking zealots want it to be illegal
to smoke (when a child is present) inside a parked car with the windows
down on your own private property.

The key phrase is "Private Property"

Of course... E-smoking should also be banned because if a child would
see someone vaping it would undermine the zealots ultimate goal of
banning even the memory of smoking from the face of the planet.

They just use Save the Children slogan to sell smoking bans

This country is like a a college chick after 2 Long Island Ice Teas
We can be talked into anything!
Bill Maher
 

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Recently, I visited the Air and Space Museum in Washington DC (the old one in downtown DC, not the new one by Dulles Airport). I was delighted to see that the museum curators did not try to rewrite history. An incredible number of the pioneer old time pilots were smokers. Many of the life-size photos show them with cigarette in hand.

This in a day and age when they are air-brushing the cigar from the hands of 20th century presidents and generals.
 

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"I pulled you over today because I saw you smoking and thought I saw a kid in the car... While I have you hear, let me check your license and registration... Make sure you're an american citizen... Do you mind if I look in the trunk? Do you have any warrants? Is that an eCigarette? Do you have any drugs or weapons in the car?"
 

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This has been law here for a while now. When it came to pass my kids were old enough that it did not apply to me or my wife. There is also a no talking on you cell phone while driving law here that seems to be ignored as much as the no smoking in your car with children. People will do it until they are caught and even then to most it won't change a thing.

Now if they want to pull me over because they think that they saw a kid in the car I am ok with that as long as they don't mind catching the scent of waffles, blueberry or strawberry from my PV. :D
 

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Levels of tobacco smoke are far greater in automobiles (if someone is smoking) than in bars where lots of people smoke, and children are at far greater health risks (than are adults) from tobacco smoke exposure.

That's why Smokefree Pennsylvania was the first organization to advocate legislation (in PA back in 1993) to ban smoking in cars if young children are present.

But since secondhand tobacco smoke has nothing in common with e-cigarettes, there's no reason for this thread to be posted on the ECF.

The purpose of this forum is to encourage discussions about e-cigarettes. There are many other forums for discussions about legislation to reduce exposure to secondhand smoke.
 

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But since secondhand tobacco smoke has nothing in common with e-cigarettes, there's no reason for this thread to be posted on the ECF.

The purpose of this forum is to encourage discussions about e-cigarettes. There are many other forums for discussions about legislation to reduce exposure to secondhand smoke.

Well, to be fair, my first thought was of getting pulled over because of the perception I was smoking when I was vaping.
 

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But since secondhand tobacco smoke has nothing in common with e-cigarettes, there's no reason for this thread to be posted on the ECF.QUOTE]

I have to disagree Bill based just on the fact that so many places are now grouping E-Cigs in the same catagory as Smoking that the same rules may apply to those Vaping in their cars with children in them in many places.

If Counties and States can group smoking and vaping together then the rules will apply to both.
 

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I don't think anyone questions the dangers of second hand smoke, at least I'm not. What I'm questioning is the effectiveness of the law. Those who care already don't do it. Those who don't care won't start caring just because of another law. So what is accomplished exactly? Yes, a parent may be stopped and fined once, but that's not going to change how they feel about it. They're just going to watch for cops. All that is accomplished is an ineffective, expensive new law.

You can't pass a law and force people to be good parents. That has yet to work. I don't abuse my children because I love them, not because it's illegal.

As to the validity of discussing it here, I think it is valid. As much as we may all say vaping isn't smoking, it sure seems to get lumped into anti-smoking laws.
 

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Being that we are fighting for e-cigs to be classified as a tobacco product then it is very relevant. Not that we had a choice being that we have always been playing the old Monty Python 'Is she a witch?' game. Heads you lose badly, tails you don't lose quite so badly. Being a tobacco product isn't really a win. It's a compromise as, even if we win, we have to put up with all this anti-crapacco legislation being flung in our direction.
 

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Reading this thread reminded me of a post on Dr Siegel's blog that I saved-

"No matter what our kids and the new generation think about us,

WE ARE AWESOME !!!

OUR Lives are LIVING PROOF !!!

To Those of Us Born

1925 - 1970 :

TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE

1930s, '40s, '50s, '60s and '70s!!




First, we survived being born to mothers who may have smoked and/or drank

while they were pregnant. They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes. Then, after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on doors or cabinets and, when we rode our bikes, we had baseball caps,not helmets, on our heads. As infants and children, we would ride in cars with no car seats, no booster seats, no seat belts, no air bags, bald tires and sometimes no brakes. Riding in the back of a pick- up truck on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no one actually died from this. We ate cupcakes, white bread, real butter, and bacon. We drank Kool-Aid made with real white sugar. And we weren't overweight.

WHY?
Because we were always outside playing...that's why! We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the streetlights came on. No one was able to reach us all day.

--And, we were OKAY.


We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then ride them down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes.. After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem. We did not have Play Stations, Nintendo€™s and X-boxes. There were no video games, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVDs, no surround-sound or CDs, no cell phones, no personal computers, no Internet and no chat rooms.

WE HAD FRIENDS

and we went outside and found them!




We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth, and there were no lawsuits from those accidents. We would get spankings with wooden spoons, switches, ping-pong paddles, or just a bare hand, and no one would call child services to report abuse. We ate worms, and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not live in us forever. We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with sticks and tennis balls, and -although we were told it would happen- we did not put out very many eyes. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them.

Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment.

Imagine that!!


The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law! These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers, problem solvers, and inventors ever. The past 50 to 85 years have seen an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned how to deal with it all.

If YOU are one of those born

between 1925-1970, CONGRATULATIONS!

You might want to share this with others who have had the luck to grow up as kids before the lawyers and the government regulated so much of our lives for our own good. While you are at it, forward it to your kids, so they will know how brave and lucky their parents were. Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors, doesn't it ?"
 
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