I learned the hard way that cheep China batteries are not all made the same. My digital Vamo and Sub would not even fire up using low discharge 18650 even though they were very high mah. Dumb me, I lost both of these about 3 weeks ago and ordered another Vamo with no battery. I like spare and have not ordered another yet. Question: I just took apart and old PC laptop battery pack. It has 6 18650 2200 mah. I do not know if they are high discharges or protected - Li-Mn are not protected but better than Li-ion. Prelimary check - it works. What do you all think or know about PC batteries.