Such large amount of Nicotine in e-Ciggs

[firewall16]

I was checking the Nicotine content in the regular analogs & most all brangs are in a range of 0.5 to 1.2 mg
The liquid used in e-ciggs have 11-18-24..mg of Nicotine. Is this not going to be some problem in long run?
What is your opinion on this?

 

[smc]

With cigs you are freebasing nicotine. The additives in cigs are there to free the nicotine to allow your lungs to absorb it. With e-cigs there is very little if any free base. The nicotine is absorbed by parts of the throat and mouth. Most of the nicotine is exhaled with the vapor.

EDIT:

I vape 24mg liquid. I use around 3~5ml per day. This is 72~120mg of nicotine per day. If I were actually absorbing this amount I would be shaking and sick.

 

[WebJunkie]

I was checking the Nicotine content in the regular analogs & most all brangs are in a range of 0.5 to 1.2 mg
The liquid used in e-ciggs have 11-18-24..mg of Nicotine. Is this not going to be some problem in long run?
What is your opinion on this?

It's not per puff, it's per milliliter of juice.

If you smoked 20 1.2mg analogs a day, that's 24mg. If you vape 1ml of 24mg, you're taking in less nicotine, as not all nicotine in the juice makes it into the vapor. If you vape 2ml of 12mg juice, same deal.

And really, my view is, do whatever it takes to get over the initial hump. I've went from ~20-30 analogs a day to ~1-2ml of 18mg juice (though now down to ~14.4mg cutting with 20% PG in the past two days) 2 weeks ago. I feel /so/ much better already. Do what it takes to get off the analogs, then worry about the nicotine side of things, that's my take.

 

[mELIANTE]

Isn't the nicotine content in mg/ml?

EDIT: Oops, I was late, sorry.

 

[WebJunkie]

With cigs you are freebasing nicotine. The additives in cigs are there to free the nicotine to allow your lungs to absorb it. With e-cigs there is very little if any free base. The nicotine is absorbed by parts of the throat and mouth. Most of the nicotine is exhaled with the vapor.

EDIT:

I vape 24mg liquid. I use around 3~5ml per day. This is 72~120mg of nicotine per day. If I were actually absorbing this amount I would be shaking and sick.

Incorrect. You absorb 98% of the nicotine in the vapor. How much of the juices rated nicotine makes it into the vapor can vary, but 98% that does makes it into your system, which is why vaping is considered much more "second hand friendly".

 

[WebJunkie]

Isn't the nicotine content in mg/ml?

Yes, it is.

 

[Michelle M]

Studies show that with e-cigs you're actually absorbing only about 1/10th the amount of nicotine you'd be taking in with a standard cigarette.

And that's with some heavy duty vaping.

There's a thread around here somewhere on nicotine levels/cotinine levels. Done while vaping like a mother throughout the day to push the envelope. Still testing appreciably lower. And of course, minus a bazillion toxins present with the products of combustion.

Keep in mind that other than a slight increase in heart rate not unlike the effects of caffeine, nicotine is routinely demonized when there's no proof it's more than a mild stimulant if taken safely in small doses. Yes, peanut gallery, I realize it's a deadly poison. But I do so like it.

 

[props76]

Incorrect. You absorb 98% of the nicotine in the vapor. How much of the juices rated nicotine makes it into the vapor can vary, but 98% that does makes it into your system, which is why vaping is considered much more "second hand friendly".

How can you say that? You only vape 1 ml of 24 a day?? I do 3 ml of 36. Thats 108 mg or 90 cigs...

As studies have show its about 10% of cigs...

Its second hand friendly because 1/10 of a drop which is 1/20th of a ml is vaped with 10% removed leaving next to nothing when mixed with the volume of air in the room.

 

[props76]

5 drops = .25 ml of 36 = 9 mg is what I vape on a cig break...

10% of 9 mg = .9 mg about 1 cig.. Its not like smoking 9 cigs or I would be passed out.

The 10% rule is as accurate as it get

 

[WebJunkie]

How can you say that? You only vape 1 ml of 24 a day?? I do 3 ml of 36. Thats 108 mg or 90 cigs...

As studies have show its about 10% of cigs...

Its second hand friendly because 1/10 of a drop which is 1/20th of a ml is vaped with 10% removed leaving next to nothing when mixed with the volume of air in the room.

http://www.healthnz.co.nz/2ndSafetyReport_9Apr08.pdf

Page 23, Safety of Ruyan® e-cigarette ‘smoke’ for bystanders.

Granted, that's nicotine that's made it into the vapor. That does not account for nicotine left on the atomizer and elsewhere. Which means either you have increased your level of nicotine relative to when you smoked analogs, or we're losing a lot of nic in the fluid to vapor conversion.

 

[Luma]

All I gotta say is I took 3 drags off a 18mg cart and was buzzing harder than a full cig. I smoked a pack a day and am going for 11mg carts to vape with.

 

[Lashes]

I cant say I really have gotten a nic buzz vaping yet... I just got my 48mg concentrate though, I may have to experiment tomorrow

 

[WebJunkie]

All I gotta say is I took 3 drags off a 18mg cart and was buzzing harder than a full cig. I smoked a pack a day and am going for 11mg carts to vape with.

I think flavoring may affect at least our perception of nic intake.

I'd been vaping 18mg for days and threw in an 18mg cart that /actually/ tasted like tobacco might at this point ( ) and could swear I got a nic buzz off of a couple hits... but it may just have been me feeling ill from the taste. LOL.

I'm apparently one of those "anything but tobacco" vapers. I still miss how good the post-meal ciggy used to be (only been 2 weeks at this point), but I just vape it up until the feeling goes away.

 

[Cyberkiller]

I've been vaping 10mg and its a lot less than when I used to smoke a pack a day.

 

[smc]

Incorrect. You absorb 98% of the nicotine in the vapor. How much of the juices rated nicotine makes it into the vapor can vary, but 98% that does makes it into your system, which is why vaping is considered much more "second hand friendly".

My last statement was incorrect. I confused it with something else.

For those interested... Here is a link discussing the latest research

 

[scott58]

Incorrect. You absorb 98% of the nicotine in the vapor. How much of the juices rated nicotine makes it into the vapor can vary, but 98% that does makes it into your system, which is why vaping is considered much more "second hand friendly".

Where did you come by this information? Although I agree the second hand "smoke" is much friendlier then analogs I find it very unlikely that 98% of the nicotine is absorbed.

 

[props76]

All I gotta say is I took 3 drags off a 18mg cart and was buzzing harder than a full cig. I smoked a pack a day and am going for 11mg carts to vape with.

Boils down the the same thing as alcohol. How many beers does it take to get someone drunk? Varies widely, even for the same person on different days.

 

[Up In Vapor]

I think flavoring may affect at least our perception of nic intake.

I'd been vaping 18mg for days and threw in an 18mg cart that /actually/ tasted like tobacco might at this point ( ) and could swear I got a nic buzz off of a couple hits... but it may just have been me feeling ill from the taste. LOL.

I'm apparently one of those "anything but tobacco" vapers. I still miss how good the post-meal ciggy used to be (only been 2 weeks at this point), but I just vape it up until the feeling goes away.

Web Junkie,

I'm pretty sure that the tobacco flavors have a little extra nic due to the residual nicotine in the actual tobacco used to make the flavoring. That could be why you felt a buzz after smoking a straight tobacco flavor.

 

[CJsKee]

My last statement was incorrect. I confused it with something else.

For those interested... Here is a link discussing the latest research

Thanks for that link smc...I don't remember having seen that before.

 

[DC2]

I really want to say this is a fact, but won't go quite that far. However, all evidence seems to be showing we get much less nicotine from electronic cigarettes, which is why so many people need much higher mgs to get over the hump of getting off death sticks.

Research appears to be showing that we only absorb about 10% as much nicotine as with death sticks, and a few people here in the forum have done nicotine blood level testing which shows how low their nicotine levels really are.