Suggestions for a second rsa?

[VlKlNGS]

Hello World,

I'm at it again!!

I know, I know, this is totally way too soon! I mean I haven't even recieved my first rsa setup(barely placed the orders in about a week or so ago) and I'm already thinking about a second one?!
But just in case I end up liking it I figured it would be nice to be armed with the proper knowledge ahead of time and start planning/saving up money accordingly.

So here I am, and though I once again have some pretty specific needs(here we go again), hopefully this won't be as much a unicorn hunt as the first time.

This is what I'd want out of the rsa, from most important to least important:

a) juice economy. I'm looking for something that will go easy on the juice, I'd like to get at least 250-300 puffs(I usually take shorter, harder puffs, 1.8-2.5 secs, 3 secs max) from a max of 10ml of squonked juice. If we can do even better then that, awesome, but that would be the max I'd be comfortable with.

b) Flavor. I'd like this one to be a bit more on the flavor chaser side of things.

c) Leakproof. Really would rather deal with as little leaking as possible. I understand this might clash with my flavor request since bottom airflow rsas have better flavor but are more prone to leaking? So maybe a top airflow one would be better for me? I dunno, what do you guys think?

d) Clouds/how it hits. Since this is gonna be for indoors I don't need huge clouds, but(if anyone here knows) in terms of clouds size and how it hits I'd like something close to what a Vaporesso Luxe with the mesh coil at 70w does.
(To clarify, I'm not saying I want to run the rsa at 70w, I'll run it at whatever W you recommend I start at based on what rsa and coil you suggest; what I'm saying is I'd want the hit/clouds off of that to resemble the hit you would get when running a Vaporesso Luxe with the mesh coil at 70w, in case anyone here has ever used one)

e) Looks. Yeap, last place this time around, not as important; but still it would be nice if I could have my cake and eat it too(this saying never really made sense to me... obvisouly you eat the cake if you have it, what else would you do, go all American Pie on it?! Yuck!), so just as a reminder, in case it's possible, I like black&red color combos and I don't mind logos and branding and such as long as it's a cool design.

Honorable mentions:

- in case it wasn't already very clear I'm only interested in squoanking it, so if the rda doesn't come with a squonk pin don't even bother mentioning it.

- since flavor and juice economy are way up there I think I should clarify I'm looking for the best I can get "on the cheap", so no angel hair cotton or whatever for me, please recommend which of the cheap ones(e.g. xfkm, cotton bacon, dr. coil, etc.) I should start with.

- same with the coils please recommend which "cheap Chinese garbage", to quote @Don29palms , I should try to get the best results for the price, unless some of the ones I've already ordered for my other setup would be good here too(check the pics)? And no, I still have no interest in building my own coils, sorry. LE: Oh, and only kanthal or ss coils please, no nickel or nichrome or other crap.


- good news, you don't have to worry about a mod this time, I'll proly just grab a Lost Vape Drone or a Dovpo Topside Dual(they both have puff counters, right?), haven't made up my mind yet.


Think that's all, hopefully I didn't forget much. Can't wait to see what you guys(and gals) come up with. Thank you!

 

[Rex Everything]

ambition c roll, Vapefly Pixie, Wotofo Elder Dragon, Blitz hermetic or Ghoul, Gas Mods GR1, Wisemec Tohbino and leave the clapton wire alone if you looking to minimize juice consumption...get a roll of 24g SS 316.or check out the SS rectangle wire from KBEE vapor. If you absolutely have to use clapton coils ge something with a 36g or smaller wrap wire ...Preferably 38 or 40....less ramp up cool down means less liquid used....check out some of the pre mades at advanced vapor supply .....I'd suggest a 2x28/38 fused clapton 2.5 or 3 mm

 

[Don29palms]

I believe she is in the UK

 

[tdman77]

Flave 22 is my go to for a flavor small cloud RDA. The Wasp Nano is my current regular RDA, but it really needs a long coil for best flavor, which will lead to bigger clouds. For coils I mainly use SS316L ribbon or round wire in temp control.

 

[Mordacai]

Thunderhead Creations Tauren SOLO is a pretty reasonable RDA (leak resistant, adjustable airflow, seems to work well with high mass coils and doesn't get hot), there's a balance of flavour and clouds. And cheap at fasttech, $18.25 with MAP code at checkout.

And if you are UK based, you could pick up some 25 AWG (0.68mm × 0.27mm) SS316L flat wire from the crazy wire company. It's very easy to use.

You just need a 3mm OD rod to wrap the wire round and a pair of wire cutters or even nail clippers (yes, some folks do use them) to cut it, 6 wraps should read around 0.32 ohms.

Their SS316L 0.34mm round wire is good at 6 wraps, that reads around 0.58 ohms. So you end up with better battery life, and also get a good vape as well.

Got some 0.38mm and 0.40mm to play with yet, but it should be good.

But complex coils use more liquid and more mAh, but you need to experiment to find out what you prefer.

And as for wicking there's cotton pads such as Muju or Koh Gen Do which are easy to use and ca be got hold of for reasonable prices. For a 3mm ID coil, I've found that a 9mm strip which you then peel the outer layers off and then roll one end up so that you can pull it through the coil works reasonably well. Then all you have to do is kind of floss the coil by moving the wicking backwards and forwards through the coil a few times to bed it in a little, because if it's too tight it won't wick well and if it's too loose you'll get a poor vape and spitting. And nobody likes burning hot liquid in their mouth.

Then, especially on ECF. There's talk of using Rayon for wicking. Personally I have no experience with it at all, but at some point I must get hold of at least a meter from cremdevape to try it out. It's supposed to shrink when wet and also wick more effectively than cotton.

Here's two massive threads to read through about rayon, if you want to know more.
Rayon wick, better flow, flavor, saturation and Nic Hit!
Rayon Wick - Better Flow, Flavor, Longevity, and Nic Hit!! - Pt.2

 

[Zaryk]

The RDA has little to do with juice consumption, it is going to be mostly based off of the coil used.

I use the Gas Mods GR1 on most of my mods, it gives off tons of flavor when the coil is positioned right. But it is a little restricted on airflow. If you want something with a bit more airflow a B2K is hard to beat, and the Recurve is good too.

I highly recommend rayon for wicking. Once I started using rayon I never looked back. It cost me around 20 bucks for a lifetime supply.

I have no good recommendations for a coil for you to buy since I make my own and only use ni80. But I have good results with my 28x3/40 fused claptons. I don't count my puffs (i only use mechs so no puff counters either) but my coils don't go through juice very fast.

 

[Fredman1]

you could pick up some 25 AWG (0.68mm × 0.27mm) SS316L flat wire from the crazy wire company.

I always wanted to try flat wire, but never got around to it. Going to get me some. You think its a good substitute for claptons? I want to move away from it...ramps up soooo slow and eats the juice.

 

[bombastinator]

I always wanted to try flat wire, but never got around to it. Going to get me some. You think its a good substitute for claptons? I want to move away from it...ramps up soooo slow and eats the juice.

The problem with flat wire I’ve personally found is
a) keeping it flat when wrapping it. The stuff likes to twist up, which ruins the effect.
b) finding sufficiently stiff thick flat wire. Get too thin and it starts to act like tinsel. I’ve had decent luck with square sectional wire.

The best current tech solution IMHO is mesh, though it’s not the only one.

 

[VlKlNGS]

Morning all,

Ok, the Tauren Solo seems nice from the ones you recommended, really like the bull inscripted on it. I'll check some youtube reviews.
Would have to get a different drip tip for it, something in red, the gold one it comes with doesn't appeal to me at all.

No @Don29palms , he is not from the UK and if you don't mind guys I'd like to keep the country I'm from private for now, never you mind why. Most of you wouldn't know what to do with that info anyway since you proly never/rarely heard of it, suffice to say I am from Europe.

So let's try to narrow down the coil a little bit please and instead of recommending a specific coil from a specific shop can we please focus more on the common elements it should have so I can shop around, stuff like how many wraps, the resistance, etc.?
And no @Rex Everything I don't "have to" use clapton, whatever you guys recommend. I was just saying that those are the ones I already ordered for my other rda setup and was wondering if any of them would be appropriate given the goals I'm trying to achieve on this one.

And please, pretty please, with sugar on top too, no more spools of wire recs, I'm really not interested in building them myself, regardless of how easy it may or may not be. If I ever change my mind, I promise, you guys will be the first I come to, pinky swear!

Let's just focus on the goals I'm trying to achieve, specially the puff amount per ml and the flavor.

And on the flavor side don't forget, I'm coming from single coil and lately mesh sub-ohm tanks, so anything thats a decent bump over that is gonna be great for me. It's not like I'm a guy who's been using rdas for who knows how long now and is desperate to find the bestest best combo of device/coil/wick to suck out every last bit of flavor that he can(nothing against those of you who are at that point, more power to you).

P.S. Yeah I heard a little something about rayon, thank you for the links guys, I'll read up some more on it. But for now I'd like to start simple with just using cotton, and then we'll see.

 

[bombastinator]

Morning all,

Ok, the Tauren Solo seems nice from the ones you recommended, really like the bull inscripted on it. I'll check some youtube reviews.
Would have to get a different drip tip for it, something in red, the gold one it comes with doesn't appeal to me at all.

No @Don29palms , he is not from the UK and if you don't mind guys I'd like to keep the country I'm from private for now, never you mind why. Most of you wouldn't know what to do with that info anyway since you proly never/rarely heard of it, suffice to say I am from Europe.

So let's try to narrow down the coil a little bit please and instead of recommending a specific coil from a specific shop can we please focus more on the common elements it should have so I can shop around, stuff like how many wraps, the resistance, etc.?
And no @Rex Everything I don't "have to" use clapton, whatever you guys recommend. I was just saying that those are the ones I already ordered for my other rda setup and was wondering if any of them would be appropriate given the goals I'm trying to achieve on this one.

And please, pretty please, with sugar on top too, no more spools of wire recs, I'm really not interested in building them myself, regardless of how easy it may or may not be. If I ever change my mind, I promise, you guys will be the first I come to, pinky swear!

Let's just focus on the goals I'm trying to achieve, specially the puff amount per ml and the flavor.

And on the flavor side don't forget, I'm coming from single coil and lately mesh sub-ohm tanks, so anything thats a decent bump over that is gonna be great for me. It's not like I'm a guy who's been using rdas for who knows how long now and is desperate to find the bestest best combo of device/coil/wick to suck out every last bit of flavor that he can(nothing against those of you who are at that point, more power to you).

P.S. Yeah I heard a little something about rayon, thank you for the links guys, I'll read up some more on it. But for now I'd like to start simple with just using cotton, and then we'll see.

Let me see if I got this right:
High flavor, low vapor, low juice use. For all three at once, your only choice is a MTL setup.

If you want what you want but DON’T want MTL then the best you can do is RDL. This is a vaping style that went out of fashion some time ago. I don’t know a ton about it. I’ve got only one RDL atty and afaik it’s no longer made and never came as a squonker. I squonked mine by buying a conversion kit from fatdaddyvapes for it. Others may have better suggestions. As such I’m going to assume MTL.

Re: puffs or ml. AFAIK literally no measurement like that exist. People are too individual. About as accurate as can be gotten is low, medium, and high.,

This means a few things: no Clapton or other “fancy” wires. You likely want thin, small, high gauge number single wire coils. The kind that crush easily and are so easy to make ones self they generally are not easily available for purchase in stores pre made. You may find a shop with some or if you can’t , you might possibly have to wrap them yourself. If you do find them in a shop the stock will likely be a bit old so an older shop might be more likely to have them.

Dual coil MTL attys exist, but they are all of them quite old. It used to be everything was single coil. Dual coil came about to increase vapor which doesn’t seem to be what you are trying to do, making this whole thing a bit confusing.

Attempting to decode your requirements I am noticing you are looking at big dual battery squonkers. This isn’t necessary for mtl stuff because they also use very very little power. One of these will go do literally days with a mtl atty. this isn’t bad of course.
The thing is the good modern MTL squonk pin stuff is tinyand as a result looks a bit silly on a gigantic mod like that. It can actually be mitigated by a really big drip tip.
You don’t actually need a two battery squonker for MTL though. My personal MTL squint setup is a therion with a berserker and a church warden stem on it. The stem is functionally very nice for things like reading at home. Those churchwardens were on to something.

Anyway I threw up pics. They will appear at the top because that’s how the site works.

I have no idea about what “for private” means, but I’m perfectly happy to ignore it so no worries. If it’s a personal privacy thing no worries. No one cares who anyone is here. If it’s politics, ie some brexit racial/national superiority thing trust me, the only one you have openly stated politics in common with around here IS @Don29palms ‘s avatar’s shirt. @Don29palms him/herself I have no idea whatsoever.

 

[Mordacai]

@Fredman1 and @bombastinator, flat wire is hard to find in certain gauges. And as for ribbon, it's like working with angel hair pasta.

That 25 AWG (0.68mm × 0.27mm) flat wire is the thinnest that I could find and is actually decent to use, but as it makes a high mass coil it needs lots of air to cool it down as well as having some ramp up compared to the 27 AWG (0.34mm) round wire. But the flat wire will put up with rewicking a lot better than the round, and more surface area is in contact with the wicking.

@vikings, I think that the drip tip is PEI. So is opaque transparent, actually looks better IRL. Will measure mine to check size needed though for you, but it uses the type without o rings.

 

[Jebbn]

If looks arent important, wotofo elder dragon.

 

[TrollDragon]

I always wanted to try flat wire, but never got around to it. Going to get me some. You think its a good substitute for claptons? I want to move away from it...ramps up soooo slow and eats the juice.

Very fast ramp up.

The problem with flat wire I’ve personally found is
a) keeping it flat when wrapping it. The stuff likes to twist up, which ruins the effect.
b) finding sufficiently stiff thick flat wire. Get too thin and it starts to act like tinsel. I’ve had decent luck with square sectional wire.

The best current tech solution IMHO is mesh, though it’s not the only one.

The flat wire I use does not twist, if you use ribbon it can twist quite easily as it's so thin.

I use 0.8mmx0.3mm from Zivipf, it comes in all material types (SS,KA1, N80, NiFe) and they have very reasonable shipping worldwide.
Flat Wire / Ribbon

 

[bombastinator]

Very fast ramp up.


The flat wire I use does not twist, if you use ribbon it can twist quite easily as it's so thin.

I use 0.8mmx0.3mm from Zivipf, it comes in all material types (SS,KA1, N80, NiFe) and they have very reasonable shipping worldwide.
Flat Wire / Ribbon

This stuff?
SS Flat Wire V4A 0.8x0.3mm / .032*.012" - AWG 23

I might be buying some. My limited experience with EU -> USA is that it takes longer than China and costs a whole lot more but your claim of cheap shipping heartens me

UPDATE: nope. With International shipping cost ~24€ Darn it. I had hopes. Oh well

 

[Eskie]

Haku Venna clone from Fasttech. Single coil 22mm flavor banger. Ctoon, a bag of KGD from Amazon or your local beauty supply place. Should run you ~$10 USD (convert to your location). A simply round coil works great in it. As to complex coils, I have no recommendations, although I wouldn't use more than a simple Clapton in the Venna. Not a big build atty. If you want something for a bigger build a Recurve. Affordable, also leak resistant, and a little better on working with beefier coils if you must use them.

 

[TrollDragon]

This stuff?
SS Flat Wire V4A 0.8x0.3mm / .032*.012" - AWG 23

I might be buying some. My limited experience with EU -> USA is that it takes longer than China and costs a whole lot more but your claim of cheap shipping heartens me

UPDATE: nope. With International shipping cost ~24€ Darn it. I had hopes. Oh well

One spool of that wire and postage would be 10€ total for me here in Canada, and I think I've had the postage go as high as 8€ on a 4 spool order.

Don't know what to tell you, it actually costs me more to get stuff mailed the US.

 

[VlKlNGS]

Looooooool @bombastinator that long drip tip and that tiny atty look soooo hilarious!!! But, since I'm actually looking to vape and not laugh my lungs out every time I look at my setup, it's not for me.

Since you're talking about "Attempting to decode your requirements" and the rest of you seem to be a bit all over the place with your recommendations too(to my untrained eyes at least) let me try to boil down my original post to it's simplest form possible.

So, pay attention:

Inside the house I am currently vaping a Vaporesso Luxe kit with the 0.2 mesh coils, running them at 70w with the airflow wide open. This gives me a slightly restricted and slightly warm DL hit, which is how I like it.
Most days I usually do about 250(+/-20) puffs a day and that goes through approximately 10ml of juice.

All I am really asking is can I get the same thing/results(or better) in rda squonk form? That's it!



Ironically I figured that if I gave you as much info as I could and broke everything down in a nice, easy to read(as easy as I could make it) list of points/requirements; that that would make it easier for you to understand my needs and recommend stuff. But I've been told I have a weird way of thinking, so maybe that's it...?

So let's see if theis helps or makes things worse, cause I do have more to say and more to reply to, but maybe this is one of those situations where less is more...?

 

[madstabber]

Looooooool @bombastinator that long drip tip and that tiny atty look soooo hilarious!!! But, since I'm actually looking to vape and not laugh my lungs out every time I look at my setup, it's not for me.

Since you're talking about "Attempting to decode your requirements" and the rest of you seem to be a bit all over the place with your recommendations too(to my untrained eyes at least) let me try to boil down my original post to it's simplest form possible.

So, pay attention:

Inside the house I am currently vaping a Vaporesso Luxe kit with the 0.2 mesh coils, running them at 70w with the airflow wide open. This gives me a slightly restricted and slightly warm DL hit, which is how I like it.
Most days I usually do about 250(+/-20) puffs a day and that goes through approximately 10ml of juice.

All I am really asking is can I get the same thing/results(or better) in rda squonk form? That's it!



Ironically I figured that if I gave you as much info as I could and broke everything down in a nice, easy to read(as easy as I could make it) list of points/requirements; that that would make it easier for you to understand my needs and recommend stuff. But I've been told I have a weird way of thinking, so maybe that's it...?

So let's see if theis helps or makes things worse, cause I do have more to say and more to reply to, but maybe this is one of those situations where less is more...?

Yes

 

[Don29palms]

VIKINGS should change her name to The Unicorn Hunter.

 

[bombastinator]

Looooooool @bombastinator that long drip tip and that tiny atty look soooo hilarious!!! But, since I'm actually looking to vape and not laugh my lungs out every time I look at my setup, it's not for me.

few do like them. You’re right about them being laughable and ridiculous. I used it for emphasis on how a large drip tip can change the look of the undersized berserker RDA. It is really nice if no one is watching though. Cools the vape a lot and allows you to put the vape to your mouth with a flick of your wrist. You mentioned an at home vape where no one was watching.
On the subject of ridiculous; no one uses the term RSA anywhere anymore. It’s a bit like the using the term “oil” to describe e-juice. It’s nothing but confusing. This was mentioned once before I believe. You’re still doing it.

Since you're talking about "Attempting to decode your requirements" and the rest of you seem to be a bit all over the place with your recommendations too(to my untrained eyes at least) let me try to boil down my original post to it's simplest form possible.

So, pay attention:

you and my cat. Her name is “princess Luna the permanently inadequately attended to”

Inside the house I am currently vaping a Vaporesso Luxe kit with the 0.2 mesh coils, running them at 70w with the airflow wide open. This gives me a slightly restricted and slightly warm DL hit, which is how I like it.
Most days I usually do about 250(+/-20) puffs a day and that goes through approximately 10ml of juice.

All I am really asking is can I get the same thing/results(or better) in rda squonk form? That's it!

To repeat myself using different words:
Nope.
Not and stay DL anyway. You can halve it if you go MTL, hence all that “all over the place stuff” Juice use is a factor of cloud size. You can go RDL if you can find an atty that will do it. Origionals haven’t been made for years afaik. Someone else here may have a suggestion. It won’t reduce your juice a lot though. A fasttech clone might be possible. Maybe see if you can get a magma. It’s the only RDA I know of that is truly RDL. They may or may not squonk though because they’re cloning attys from before squonking was a thing. Fatdaddyvapes does sell a squonking conversion kit.

Ironically I figured that if I gave you as much info as I could and broke everything down in a nice, easy to read(as easy as I could make it) list of points/requirements; that that would make it easier for you to understand my needs and recommend stuff. But I've been told I have a weird way of thinking, so maybe that's it...?

I also have a weird way of thinking so perhaps there was just too much weird in the exchange for it to function

So let's see if theis helps or makes things worse, cause I do have more to say and more to reply to, but maybe this is one of those situations where less is more...?