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Discussion in 'Media and General News' started by strayling, Mar 12, 2009.

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  1. strayling

    strayling Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 25, 2009
    Seattle, USA
    At least according to this rather misinformed and misinforming opinion piece in a college paper, the Arizona Wildcat:

    "However, the cigarette is created to look like a normal cigarette, so it emits puffs of smoke. ..."

    Why are people so stupid?
     
  2. smokingclam

    smokingclam Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 6, 2009
    Punta Gorda, Florida
    Gee I got ripped off! I've been watching mine for 5 minutes now and I don't see no puff of smoke coming out.:confused:
     
  3. Sun Vaporer

    Sun Vaporer Moved On ECF Veteran

    Jan 2, 2009
    Florida
    Quote from article--

    "The electronic cigarette uses unnecessary resources, such as batteries, which most people do not correctly recycle and can leak mercury into landfills"

    Well then, it begs the question as to why they should not give up using their Ipods as that too can be considered an "unecessary resource"---Igonorance at its best---Sun
     
  4. strayling

    strayling Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 25, 2009
    Seattle, USA
    If someone can find a way to get a lithium ion battery to leak mercury I'm sure the physics community would be very interested to know how they did it.
     
  5. strayling

    strayling Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 25, 2009
    Seattle, USA
    Perhaps you need a bigger battery with more mercury in it.
     
  6. smokingclam

    smokingclam Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 6, 2009
    Punta Gorda, Florida
    Damn I got ripped off again. No mercury in my battery!8-o
     
  7. Vince1

    Vince1 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 6, 2009
    Down South, USA.
    Sorry Clam, No cadmium either.

    This is clearly a case of another non-smoker jumping on the smoker bashing wagon.

    They don't need "proof" for they are holier then thou.

    I added my 2 cents there for what good it will do.
     
  8. strayling

    strayling Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 25, 2009
    Seattle, USA
    I wonder how feasible it would be to use a clockwork hand crank generator to power a PV. Something about the idea of a PV with a spinning wingnut on the end appeals to me.
     
  9. ROB26

    ROB26 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2009
    Fort Worth TX
    I agree SUN! Plus, correct me if I'm wrong...but don't cigarette butts take forever to break down? I thought I heard that somewhere...geez!:evil:
     
  10. MonkeyMonk

    MonkeyMonk Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2009
    Thanks for the link. I posted a comment. Hope everyone else does, too.
     
  11. Calaban

    Calaban Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 17, 2009
    Newmarket, NH USA
    Ugh....

    The volume of incorrect information on e-cigs being disseminated is starting to make me sick. Why do people need to bash something when they do not have all the facts? I understand that people HATE smoking, but this isn't smoking!!!

    I don't claim to have all the facts and I don't know anyone here who does. Most of us seem to be reasonable....meaning that we just stick to the facts we know, and any conjecture is normally labeled as such.

    There seem to be a disinformation campaign going on, and I think we need to fight back with CREDIBLE information.
    I know this forum is THE source for that information, but I think we need to get the word out a bit more...somehow...


    -Cal
     
  12. Mungo

    Mungo Full Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 12, 2009
    London. UK.
    i'm glad to see people have torn him a new one for that trash piece of writing.

    Does writing opinion pieces pay well? Coz i'm an ugly, fat bigot.....
     
  13. TropicalBob

    TropicalBob Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 13, 2008
    Port Charlotte, FL USA
    Finally, some informed comments about a misinformed opinion piece.
     
  14. strayling

    strayling Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 25, 2009
    Seattle, USA
    I noticed that too. The comments were on the whole more concerned with correcting the misinformation rather than ripping the author a new one (tempting though that might be). That sort of commendable restraint will make the case for PVs much better than shrill condemnation.
     
  15. strayling

    strayling Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 25, 2009
    Seattle, USA
    *rereads the comments*

    Yep, even the harsher comments were attacking the misinformation more than the author - well, no more than deserved anyway. I just hope she's a big enough person to see that and not get all defensive.
     
  16. DaveyRoots

    DaveyRoots Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 13, 2009
    San Diego
    left a comment too. you guys should help :)
     
  17. DCrist721

    DCrist721 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2009
    Long Island, NY
    I one-uped that; I emailed her, I'm not really a student at that school, I just thought it would help get her attention. Here was my email:

    Hi Alexandria,

    I'm a Sophomore at the University of Arizona, and I enjoy reading your articles. However, there was a recent article of yours that had me scratching my head. Earlier today I was reading your article about electronic cigarettes, and as an ex-smoker and an owner of one I wanted to talk to you about that article.

    One of the first things I noticed is that you said it "emits puffs of smoke," however, there is no smoker produced by these products. A heating coil heats a nicotine solution to it's boiling point, which causes it to become a vapor; no combustion is carried out by this device at all, which is one of the main reasons why it's less damaging to the body then traditional cigarettes.

    You also mention that the batteries will not be recycled properly and leak mercury into landfills, yet these batteries contain no mercury. These are lithium batteries like what's used to power your cell phone; they are rechargeable and last many months. When they do die, some companies will send you a new one in exchange for the old one, and the old one gets properly recycled by the company. Even if they all ended up in landfills, think about how many terrible products of combustion are released into the air with regular cigarettes, and how many cigarettes filters, which are not biodegradable, are disposed of or littered and even end up killing birds and small animals that sometimes mistake them for food.

    And as I said before, I've been an ex-smoker for weeks thanks to this device, and have no desire to return to cigarettes, so I have to disagree with you about them not being a smoking cessation device. And out of my 4 friends who have tried this, 3 of them quit, despite not being able to quit in the past with other smoking cessation products.

    Towards the end you go on to ask "who knows what types of poisons could be in this liquid nicotine cartridge?" And the answer to that is - "anyone who wants to find out". The liquid contains propylene glycol (which is the main ingredient in anti-perspirants, and is also found in many foods cosmetics, toothpastes and medicines), flavorings which have long been used in food products, and finally nicotine. And unlike normal cigarettes, these ingredients are not chemically altered into other compounds by the product of combustion; they either enter your blood stream in the same form that they would as if ingested, or they are expelled by the lungs.

    Because no smoke or known carcinogens are emitted by this device, it is most likely that it will not cause lung cancer or other smoking-related diseases. Essentially, it is no more harmful then the nicotine patch, gum, or inhaler.

    It definitely has improved my health also, which is another thing which contradicts your article, I can breathe more easily, I don't get winded walking up a flight of stairs, I'm no longer hacking up phlegm in the morning, and I just feel much better in general. My doctor has even noticed my health improvements and after explaining to him what an electronic cigarette was, he encouraged me to continue using it and asked if I could give him the web addresses of some websites which sell these products so that he could inform his smoking patients about them.

    I would really appreciate if you would take the time to respond to this email, so I look forward to hearing back from you soon.

    Sincerely,
    Daniel Crist

    This was her response, just a few minutes after I sent the email:

    Mr. Crist,
    Thank you very much for taking the time to get my facts straight. I was basing my article off of the products' advertisements etc. that said that they emit smoke so that they look like a cigarette. My concern about them was that they were not yet thoroughly evaluated by the FDA because they are so new and it seemed a little shady since who knows what is really in them? But apparently you do! I value your response. You should send your e-mail to letters@wildcat.arizona.edu so it can be published in our mailbag, or post it as a comment to the article at wildcat.arizona.edu. I think that people would benefit from hearing your response. Thanks again,
    Alexandria Kassman
    Arizona Daily Wildcat
     
  18. ritalee76

    ritalee76 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 6, 2009
    Baton Rouge, LA
    You're so diplomatic :D
     
  19. DCrist721

    DCrist721 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2009
    Long Island, NY
    Well, I figured that my initial response of, "OMG, you don't know ... your talking about .....! Who the hell let that thing get published?!" wouldn't get a response and could possibly push her over the edge resulting in self-inflicted injuries and potentially a long night alone at the bar rethinking her life.

    There were enough posts already to make the poor mis-informed girl feel like ..... Honestly, upon first hearing about electronic cigarettes they can sound like a scary thing. "People getting around the smoking ban and inhaling the fumes of some chinese liquid chemical solutions that are processed through a machine and subjected to an electrical current?? And then subjecting other people in the area to these fumes? Somebody call HAZMAT and Homeland Security! The Chinese have invented some kind of biological weapon disguised as a cigarette!"
     
  20. strayling

    strayling Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 25, 2009
    Seattle, USA
    Nice letter, DCrist. Good to hear that the author has an open mind too.
     
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