Switching one bad habit for another?

[vincom]

some one said im still smoking if im vaping w/nic, so i asked them if i chew gum w/nic am i still smoking, they were dumbfounded to say the least.

the only people talking negative about vaping are health organizations, big tobacco, big pharma and govt officials worrying about depleting tobacco tax revenues.
as for the first three their concerns are the same as the govt officials, its all about the money tobacco has parlayed to those groups.
my sig below says it all.

 

[AndriaD]

Do people who chew nicotine gum call themselves "nicotine gum addicts?" Nope. Why would you call yourself an "ecig addict?" I enjoy eating, I don't call myself a "food addict" nor an "oxygen addict" because I breathe. Society seems to love to put labels on people. You no longer smoke period.

Congratulations on making the decision to vape instead. Welcome to the forum and enjoy the journey!

BRAVO! Standing ovation!!!

Personally, I *am* an addict -- and because of that, I can never drink alcohol again unless I just *want* to lose my mind. But I am now a NON-SMOKER -- thanks to vaping! There's nothing "evil" about it! It relieves me of my 39-yr need to smoke, which makes it a MIRACLE!

Andria

 

[Bob Chill]

So what? Welcome to less harmful but still harmful dependance?

Harmful dependence?

 

[Alien Traveler]

Harmful dependence?

Hm... I wish I remember...

 

[evan le'garde]

I have smoked for 54 years. I have emphysema (stage 4) and STILL was smoking until a month ago. Makes you wonder how anyone can reach the age of 72 and still be so darned dumb! I actually did pretty well when I stopped with the help of chewing gum and hard candies but like so many others, the "act" of smoking itself was more missed than the actual cigarette, I believe.

I decided to pick up one of those Blu e-cigarettes. YUCK! Today in the mail come my first vapor cigarette, a eGo-T. Not much excitement there but not wanting to look like a volcano erupted from my mouth, either. But sitting here looking at this thing, I just have to wonder if I have simply switched to another bad habit. I am using the nicotine free e-juice because adding nicotine after being without it seemed like a step in the wrong direction.

I would be far too worried about giving any kind of advice about this subject to anyone as old as you.

No disrespect !.

 

[SleeZy]

I would be far too worried about giving any kind of advice about this subject to anyone as old as you.

No disrespect !.

I'm wondering why not?
Sure we wouln't throw a mech and a rba in her hands right away. But other then that?
IMO it's great as long as she got rid of the smokes.

 

[evan le'garde]

I'm wondering why not?
Sure we wouln't throw a mech and a rba in her hands right away. But other then that?
IMO it's great as long as she got rid of the smokes.

Mainly in reference to whether the op should start using nicotine or not.

 

[SleeZy]

Mainly in reference to whether the op should start using nicotine or not.

Oh i see.
Ye well if you read the entire topic it should give you a picture.

And yea if she can go with 0 nic all the way, go for it. But for those stressed out moments when we crave a cigg nic plays a huge role.

I've personally went from 24mg to 12mg in RTAs and 6/3mg in RDAs. And i doubt i want to go entirely nicotine free due pure nicotine doesn't harm as it's a mild stimulant like coffeine. As a matter of a fact nicotine isnt more addicting than coffeine. As far as the ciggs goes it's all the extra chemicals they add that makes/made us so addicted to the ciggs.

I've even noticed that i can go a day without a vape without any issues other than "it would be nice to vape some" But it's nowhere like when you were out of ciggs for more than 1 hour and you would go nearly mental.

But ye, as i've already said earlier in this topic. She should have 3 or 6mg juice handy for those moments and then continue vaping 0 nic, seeing as she does it now.
But if she's having cravings nic helps to alleviate that.

 

[wmac]

Oh i see.
Ye well if you read the entire topic it should give you a picture.

And yea if she can go with 0 nic all the way, go for it. But for those stressed out moments when we crave a cigg nic plays a huge role.

I've personally went from 24mg to 12mg in RTAs and 6/3mg in RDAs. And i doubt i want to go entirely nicotine free due pure nicotine doesn't harm as it's a mild stimulant like coffeine. As a matter of a fact nicotine isnt more addicting than coffeine. As far as the ciggs goes it's all the extra chemicals they add that makes/made us so addicted to the ciggs.

I've even noticed that i can go a day without a vape without any issues other than "it would be nice to vape some" But it's nowhere like when you were out of ciggs for more than 1 hour and you would go nearly mental.

But ye, as i've already said earlier in this topic. She should have 3 or 6mg juice handy for those moments and then continue vaping 0 nic, seeing as she does it now.
But if she's having cravings nic helps to alleviate that.

This is pretty much my exact thoughts. i dipped for over a year and i loved the nic buzz. vaping gives me that without the risk of the mouth cancer or blackened cancerous lungs that come with analogs. Same with SleeZy i can go a day, a week without vaping and i dont get a headache or a terrible itching urge to vape. i just enjoy it so much that i dont have a reason to stop.

 

[Traijan]

Good for you. I should have tried vaping years and years ago and wouldn't be dragging around this bloody oxygen tank with me. But man.........I sure did enjoy smoking.

I wish they had had these back in the 70's. My dad was a lifetime smoker from about 1915 up until his death in 1978 when he died of a heart attack that I was told was triggered by his emphysema. Then dear old Grandpa George who had to move away from the family to die of lung cancer since him and grandma didn't want my brothers and sisters and self to watch him deteriorate. He too was a lifetime smoker of Camel non-filtered.


Keep at it, and No, I wouldn't go with any nicotine if you've been without it for a good amount of time and don't crave it anymore but rather just crave the sensation of the actual act of smoking.

I'm down to 6mg Nic and at this point I could drop vaping all together but I don't. There is that once a month or week time where I really do crave a cigarette and having the nic handy eases the craving even though I know for certain that I'd not go back to smoking tobacco cigs at this point as it's been a year and a half or so since touching one and now when I'm around others that are smoking I think it's one of the foulest smelling things.

 

[evan le'garde]

Oh i see.
Ye well if you read the entire topic it should give you a picture.

And yea if she can go with 0 nic all the way, go for it. But for those stressed out moments when we crave a cigg nic plays a huge role.

I've personally went from 24mg to 12mg in RTAs and 6/3mg in RDAs. And i doubt i want to go entirely nicotine free due pure nicotine doesn't harm as it's a mild stimulant like coffeine. As a matter of a fact nicotine isnt more addicting than coffeine. As far as the ciggs goes it's all the extra chemicals they add that makes/made us so addicted to the ciggs.

I've even noticed that i can go a day without a vape without any issues other than "it would be nice to vape some" But it's nowhere like when you were out of ciggs for more than 1 hour and you would go nearly mental.

But ye, as i've already said earlier in this topic. She should have 3 or 6mg juice handy for those moments and then continue vaping 0 nic, seeing as she does it now.
But if she's having cravings nic helps to alleviate that.

I just don't think i personally should be giving nicotine advice to someone as old as 72. I wouldn't want to take any responsibility because there are simply too many variables with someone of that age. It's not strickly about the nicotine, it's about the age and current health of the op, whatever the latter may be, which i have no idea of !. So i don't think i should suggest anything at all.

 

[SleeZy]

I just don't think i personally should be giving nicotine advice to someone as old as 72. I wouldn't want to take any responsibility because there are simply too many variables with someone of that age. It's not strickly about the nicotine, it's about the age and current health of the op, whatever the latter may be, which i have no idea of !. So i don't think i should suggest anything at all.

Yea you've a good point there. Although nicotine in lower doses is basicly the same as drinking a cup of coffee.
And to be fair, the responsibility wouln't be yours. It's up to her if she wants to use it or not. Which she currently doesn't which is great!
But a bottle of low nic such as 3 or 6mg wouln't hurt for the stressfull / nic craving moments. Since 3/6mg is just so low especially on lower end devices.

Although i get your point.

 

[Hitcat44]

The OP is here for Advice and Opinions based on Her individual Situation from which She will make a Choice (or Not?).
She is being given and is receiving exactly that which She sought from all Points of View and Experiences.
Coming here and All who have responded have served the Purpose of the Thread and the Community quite well.

No Wrongs or Rights. It's All Good.

 

[carolo43]

Do people who chew nicotine gum call themselves "nicotine gum addicts?" Nope. Why would you call yourself an "ecig addict?" I enjoy eating, I don't call myself a "food addict" nor an "oxygen addict" because I breathe. Society seems to love to put labels on people. You no longer smoke period.

Congratulations on making the decision to vape instead. Welcome to the forum and enjoy the journey!

I was not referring at all to being an addict although the 54 years of smoking I certainly was. I can't count the number of times I would leave my house during a raging blizzard to get myself smokes but leaving the house to buy milk or bread would have never happened. When I wrote about trading one bad habit for another, I was also considering the cost. It seems everyone who vaps just keeps going bigger and better. I'm reading about upgrading, buying batteries, replacing coils, buying better chargers, buying several units, making your own e-juice and customizing this and that. My eyeballs are rolling back in my head. I have no idea of what atomizers will fit on what battery. When searching, it looks like BUY, BUY, BUY and that is kind of what I meant about trading one bad habit for another. You guys are talking making e-juice and I hardly make dinner.

 

[carolo43]

Yea you've a good point there. Although nicotine in lower doses is basicly the same as drinking a cup of coffee.
And to be fair, the responsibility wouln't be yours. It's up to her if she wants to use it or not. Which she currently doesn't which is great!
But a bottle of low nic such as 3 or 6mg wouln't hurt for the stressfull / nic craving moments. Since 3/6mg is just so low especially on lower end devices.

Although i get your point.

Not to worry. I'm good here. If I took peoples advice, I would have given up cigarettes a half century ago. LOL I was actually thinking of adding a wee bit of nicotine myself. This thing is really kinda boring without some kind of a rush.

 

[440BB]

The initial nic rush really helps one decide they don't want a cigarette at that moment of weakness. It comes in handy. Good luck with your vaping journey!

 

[AndriaD]

Actually, calling the nicotine one gets from vaping a "rush" is very much a misnomer; unless you're vaping 24-36mg in a subohm atty, you won't get a "rush" -- what you get from vaporized nicotine could more accurately be called a "creep". Nicotine in smoke is inhaled to the lungs, where it is absorbed and sent to the brain within seconds -- with vapor, there's no need to inhale to the lungs; you get more nic absorption via the mucosa in the mouth, throat, and sinuses -- and it requires 5-15 minutes to reach the brain -- so, no "rush."

If you're patient and really concentrate on those slow inhales and nose exhales, you can get plenty of nicotine, enough to totally remove that feeling of "need a cigarette." I once proved this to myself when first learning to do that type of inhale -- 6mg in an eRoll (cigalike), and within about 10 minutes, I had absorbed so much nicotine I got the sharp little crampy pains in my stomach.

I frankly don't understand the idea of any sort of "rush" from cigarettes; cigarettes haven't made me dizzy since I was 13; since then, cigarettes just made me normal, removing the desire/need for a cigarette -- no "rushing" involved. But until I learned the slow inhale/nose exhale vaping technique, I couldn't seem to get "normalized" in the morning without a cigarette. Once I started inhaling it correctly, that morning smoke was history, because I simply didn't need it.

Andria

 

[vincom]

I was not referring at all to being an addict although the 54 years of smoking I certainly was. I can't count the number of times I would leave my house during a raging blizzard to get myself smokes but leaving the house to buy milk or bread would have never happened. When I wrote about trading one bad habit for another, I was also considering the cost. It seems everyone who vaps just keeps going bigger and better. I'm reading about upgrading, buying batteries, replacing coils, buying better chargers, buying several units, making your own e-juice and customizing this and that. My eyeballs are rolling back in my head. I have no idea of what atomizers will fit on what battery. When searching, it looks like BUY, BUY, BUY and that is kind of what I meant about trading one bad habit for another. You guys are talking making e-juice and I hardly make dinner.

yes there are lots of "stuff" out there in the vape world, but they do basically the same thing - vaporize liquid.
as a consumer u have to decide on budget and what products ur going to buy and yes u have to do some research on said products, its like buying anything else.
but ur lucky u found this forum, my advice is to read, read and read.
also great YouTube vids, good for newbs is from a guy calling himself indoorsmokers. heres one vid but has others u can watch and many other people making vids for vaping newbs.

 

[ternopil]

You're still addicted to nicotine if you vape, but it's not nearly as big of a problem as addiction to cigarettes. They say that you smoke for the nicotine, but die from the tar. While not 100% safe and healthy, the risk of vaping is not even comparable to that of smoking.

 

[AndriaD]

You're still addicted to nicotine if you vape, but it's not nearly as big of a problem as addiction to cigarettes. They say that you smoke for the nicotine, but die from the tar. While not 100% safe and healthy, the risk of vaping is not even comparable to that of smoking.

No, you are dependent on nicotine. Addiction is a different matter entirely -- the sort of thing you will steal and rob and commit many crimes in order to support. I haven't heard of anyone committing robbery to support their nicotine "addiction."

It's like caffeine -- many, many people are dependent on that morning cup of joe, but not many of them would kill someone in order to get it -- ditto nicotine.

It's all the other things in cigarette smoke, and the very real danger of cigarettes, that make smoking an ADDICTION. Many people have gone to their deaths because they were unwilling to suffer horribly to get free of cigarettes -- and now they don't have to; they can substitute a dependence on nicotine for an addiction to cigarettes, and experience very little suffering in the substitution.

Andria