I truly believe we'll be able to legally purchase pretty much anything we want/need in the future. It's just going to cost 2-3 times as much...(maybe 2-3 is optimistic)
Talking to Vape Shop
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As long as the "anything" that you are wanting and needing is FDA approved.
Anything else tobacco product related will be illegal to sell.
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I know a guy who recently went out of business. He owned a small pizza shop in a shopping plaza. Rent alone was a little over $1/SQ FT/MONTH. His space was 1500 sq ft.
Maybe in the US they sell a vaping item for twice it's price,here in Europe? never seen it.
Yes vape items in stores cost more for the simple reason that they don't buy in bulk.
Imagine you to stock up on an RDA and you're a small store,depending on the store you won't get many.
Small store like my friend's? meh he will get 1 or 2 at the most and that is after careful consideration and rethinking if he will be able to move that product.
Biggers stores like the one in Seville i order from once in a while,they might get 20 or 30 and i know this because on one of my last phone calls to the manager we actually touched on the same subject,buying from a store or just from a website.
Buying in bulk will get you a HUGE discount,sadly that is something small vape shops can't do.
A lot of the shops here in Spain carry the vaping items they think that will sell i mean when it comes to new vaping gear,ol' time favorites they always have in stock.
And here they are helpful enough that if you want a let us say a mod or atty they don't usually carry they will get on right away on the computer and see if they can order it for you,and that usually takes 3 or 4 days.
On top of that yeah what other posters mentioned,they gotta pay rent,water/electric/internet bills,insurance, wages etc etc.
You'd be hard-pressed to even find a clone of those items at a US B&M shop, let alone an authentic.
G is right. In fact, anything on the market right now that does not have a PMTA submitted for it AND ACCEPTED FOR REVIEW is technically an illegal tobacco product and therefore is illegal to sell and ship to a US consumer. The FDA has not cracked-down on this yet, but it's only a matter of time. Back in Sept/Oct 2020 I remember seeing the FDA ad for hiring people to visit vape shops to make sure they are selling only legal vape gear and juice.
I suspect that 90+% of hardware being sold to the US market has no PMTA filed for it.
My personal opinion is that come Sept 2021, the only PMTAs that will be approved (if any) are closed systems containing only tobacco flavored liquid.
Been a long time since i have been to the US and Canada but i don't remember private bussiness owners being that greedy.
Just for comparison,i chose an Aegis Max because those sell a lot and you can find them in stores and online pretty much everywhere.
Right here a link for the Aegis Max from Fasttech:
$39.07 Authentic GeekVape Aegis Max 100W TC VW APV Box Mod - 1-100W / 100-315'C(200-600'F) / 1*21700/18650 / IP67 waterproof at FastTech - Free Shipping
Now here 2 links from 2 different Spanish websites:
Aegis Max Mod 100w by Geekvapee
Pods de vapeo en SINHUMO SEVILLAGeekvape Aegis MAX 100w - Vapeototal
Now keep on mind the 2 last links aren't for ''only'' online shops,they have physical shops where you can go and buy whatever item you may desire,they just offer an online buying option as well.
Aegis Max in fasttech is 39.07 dollars,Aegis max IN STORE (with delivery option) 53.09 dollars.
Find it hard to believe that a shop in the US would charge you 117 bucks for a mod that costs 53.09 (44.90 euros is 53.09 american,more or less)...
On top of that if you order before 5 pm you can get it delivered the next day,we all know how long it takes to get a package from fasttech...just sayin'
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That is the standard mark-up (100%) for almost anything you buy.
You might be surprised what the markup on furniture and jewelry is...
(200-300%)
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I would think many US shops are looking at not being in business after this year. There may be little for them to sell after PMTA approved products are all they can sell. That will affect how responsive some of them are to purchase requests during the next few months, as changing to satisfy their customer base may not matter for long. I really don't see smaller stand alone shops being able to be profitable and survive.
The tobacco shops that can include vape supplies in their offerings may be what is most common going forward. Not much product knowledge or variety and higher prices but better than nothing. The Golden Age of vaping spoiled most all of us but there will hopefully be decent supplies for smokers when they want to vape.
The tobacco shops that can include vape supplies in their offerings may be what is most common going forward. Not much product knowledge or variety and higher prices but better than nothing. The Golden Age of vaping spoiled most all of us but there will hopefully be decent supplies for smokers when they want to vape.
Fortunately, my local vape shop is MyFreedomSmokes. They seem determined to remain in business and their stock is outstanding.
I understand that there’s not just the overhead costs to stay in business but also the profits obviously. I also think the market has changed since the last time I had to go into a vape shop. The demand and popularity has increased exponentially. It may be possible to have a profitable B&M and be able to lower prices through the volume in sales.
I’m pretty sure recently I read about certain B&M shops charging a LOT more than others in the same area. BUT I will find out for myself. There’s no shortage of them in the Atlanta area that’s for sure. If there are shops that do charge a decent percentage less (say more than 15-20% less) than the others in the same area, and have stayed in business, then those will be the shops that I support. And that will also disprove the idea that you HAVE to charge what Vape shop owner Joe charges to be profitable, like more than twice what I paid online for it (and yes I’m aware that the price I paid online is roughly the same price the shop pays as well) to not only keep the lights on but to be profitable.
Now I’m sure that in certain areas you would need to charge a decent amount more than shops in other areas with more traffic, exposure, etc. But....
I remember going to a shop that charged almost $30 for 30ml of juice. If that’s what you need to charge to stay in business then that’s fine but I won’t be buying it if I can get it somewhere else way cheaper.
And I understand that with fewer customers means you have to charge more, like the mattress industry for instance, but at what point do the prices begin to HURT your business? There’s a difference between higher prices to justify staying in business and insanely high prices that can and will deter customers that can get it for significantly less.
There will be a lot of selection in the Atlanta area so it will be really interesting to see how the landscape has changed since I last had to go to a vape shop, and how it evolves going forward. I could be wrong and THEY ALL charge really high (relative to online) prices. If that’s the case then I will support the ones that have more of a selection that I’m interested in and that try to cater to the customer. Because that’s even more important than the prices to me.
Since the beginning of this month I have spent WAY more than I first intended to on vape supplies so I wouldn’t be forced to do anything I didn’t want to. And I CERTAINLY won’t be going back to smoking. I have what I need for years and years other than vg, pg, flavorings, cotton, wire. Basically the things that will never become illegal (knock on wood). And it’s not just for this transition with the mail ban but also for insurance if the idiots in Washington continue their war on the vape industry and destroy the legal vape market by making it illegal. A black market will explode in its wake and obviously be expensive and dangerous and...no just not gonna do that.
But I still want to support local business if it’s done right. And again it’s not just prices. The vape shops I’ve been in have varied tremendously in one way or another. There’s one that I need to visit who would always bring in a juice I wanted. I would go if I needed something right then while I waited for vape mail. That’s one reason right there to pay more, for the service of providing what you want right then and there. But even more so is to be able to PUT MY HANDS on the mod or whatever. It’s been so long since I’ve done that. And yet another HUGE I mean AWESOME thing about B&Ms is the ability to try a juice before you buy it. I appreciate that now more than ever. I have so many bottles right here of juice that I wanted to try to find another favorite, and I can’t believe it, 8 out of 10 I don’t like. Not even a little bit, and they had good reviews!!! Maybe my pallet is off, or it’s my vape, idk but I’m ...... about that.
I didn’t intend to type a novel here but I will conclude with saying I HATE how so many have gone out of business because of everything aimed at the vape industry. I will be paying close attention to see what happens going forward with Eightvape, Element vape, and the other online retailers and how they adapt. If they can. And if they still can provide what I want at a much lower cost than B&Ms then I will support it. And hopefully new companies are born to compete in the new online environment.
Everything will get sorted and settled eventually. The customers will determine what shops continue on. I could see myself supporting both B&M AND online shops for the advantages that each one has over the other.
I’m pretty sure recently I read about certain B&M shops charging a LOT more than others in the same area. BUT I will find out for myself. There’s no shortage of them in the Atlanta area that’s for sure. If there are shops that do charge a decent percentage less (say more than 15-20% less) than the others in the same area, and have stayed in business, then those will be the shops that I support. And that will also disprove the idea that you HAVE to charge what Vape shop owner Joe charges to be profitable, like more than twice what I paid online for it (and yes I’m aware that the price I paid online is roughly the same price the shop pays as well) to not only keep the lights on but to be profitable.
Now I’m sure that in certain areas you would need to charge a decent amount more than shops in other areas with more traffic, exposure, etc. But....
I remember going to a shop that charged almost $30 for 30ml of juice. If that’s what you need to charge to stay in business then that’s fine but I won’t be buying it if I can get it somewhere else way cheaper.
And I understand that with fewer customers means you have to charge more, like the mattress industry for instance, but at what point do the prices begin to HURT your business? There’s a difference between higher prices to justify staying in business and insanely high prices that can and will deter customers that can get it for significantly less.
There will be a lot of selection in the Atlanta area so it will be really interesting to see how the landscape has changed since I last had to go to a vape shop, and how it evolves going forward. I could be wrong and THEY ALL charge really high (relative to online) prices. If that’s the case then I will support the ones that have more of a selection that I’m interested in and that try to cater to the customer. Because that’s even more important than the prices to me.
Since the beginning of this month I have spent WAY more than I first intended to on vape supplies so I wouldn’t be forced to do anything I didn’t want to. And I CERTAINLY won’t be going back to smoking. I have what I need for years and years other than vg, pg, flavorings, cotton, wire. Basically the things that will never become illegal (knock on wood). And it’s not just for this transition with the mail ban but also for insurance if the idiots in Washington continue their war on the vape industry and destroy the legal vape market by making it illegal. A black market will explode in its wake and obviously be expensive and dangerous and...no just not gonna do that.
But I still want to support local business if it’s done right. And again it’s not just prices. The vape shops I’ve been in have varied tremendously in one way or another. There’s one that I need to visit who would always bring in a juice I wanted. I would go if I needed something right then while I waited for vape mail. That’s one reason right there to pay more, for the service of providing what you want right then and there. But even more so is to be able to PUT MY HANDS on the mod or whatever. It’s been so long since I’ve done that. And yet another HUGE I mean AWESOME thing about B&Ms is the ability to try a juice before you buy it. I appreciate that now more than ever. I have so many bottles right here of juice that I wanted to try to find another favorite, and I can’t believe it, 8 out of 10 I don’t like. Not even a little bit, and they had good reviews!!! Maybe my pallet is off, or it’s my vape, idk but I’m ...... about that.
I didn’t intend to type a novel here but I will conclude with saying I HATE how so many have gone out of business because of everything aimed at the vape industry. I will be paying close attention to see what happens going forward with Eightvape, Element vape, and the other online retailers and how they adapt. If they can. And if they still can provide what I want at a much lower cost than B&Ms then I will support it. And hopefully new companies are born to compete in the new online environment.
Everything will get sorted and settled eventually. The customers will determine what shops continue on. I could see myself supporting both B&M AND online shops for the advantages that each one has over the other.
Looks like an option for @PapawBrett
MyFreedomSmokes.com is a popular online retailer with a B&M store.
1039 Carrier Dr
Charlotte, NC 28216
704.545.7175
Probably less than 1 hour drive....and they also sell nic base.
That is awesome! Hell I want to find a local shop for just the ability to try juices and to put my hands on new devices.
Right. that's where the free market comes into play. Although the USA isn't actually a real free market, it's close. If their prices are too high for their local market, they will not survive.
I could be wrong, but I don't think it is legal anymore for a vape shop to allow customers to try juices in the shop.
FDA Center for Tobacco Products Commonly Asked Questions
Are retailers allowed to charge customers a “sampling fee” to try an e-liquid?
Retailers are prohibited from distributing free samples of tobacco products to customers. However, they are not prohibited from, for example, offering significant discounts on the kinds of “sampling kits” they now provide for free to entice first-time users. In October 2017, FDA issued guidance to further clarify the provision.
Retailers are prohibited from distributing free samples of tobacco products to customers. However, they are not prohibited from, for example, offering significant discounts on the kinds of “sampling kits” they now provide for free to entice first-time users. In October 2017, FDA issued guidance to further clarify the provision.
Here in Spain every vape shop i went to had a minimum of 6 mods all in their bases and filled up with whatever new flavors or ol' classics that the owner deemed apropiate.
If you were a new vaper he normally would recommend you try 2 or 3 different flavors so you could decide what your preference would be.
He always had a box with disposable individually packed drip tips,grabbed one of those you took it out of the wrapper and gave the e-liquid a try.
But since this whole covid thing that is a thing of the past.
But oh boy do these laws seem just plain stupid,are they also going to write up a law against trying out a mattress when you go to a shop? how about a La-Z-Boy recliner??
Some things just don't make sense...
In April 2013 when I first walked into a "vape store" things were a lot different.
First off, not only could you but you were encouraged to vape in the store. Now it is no longer legal to vape in a place of business.
Secondly, since you were able to vape in the store, the stores had "sample racks" of EGO atomizers filled with different flavors to try. Now they can only offer to make a few drops of nicotine free flavored juice on your finger to taste.
Last but not least, the person behind the counter would setup your device for you! (including rebuildables!) coil+wick+prime+test your new mod+atomizer+juice right there in the store. No longer are they allowed to do any of that.
IMHO future vapors will be stuck drilling+plugging holes in closed POD systems with ever dwindling supply of DIY juice.
g.
First off, not only could you but you were encouraged to vape in the store. Now it is no longer legal to vape in a place of business.
Secondly, since you were able to vape in the store, the stores had "sample racks" of EGO atomizers filled with different flavors to try. Now they can only offer to make a few drops of nicotine free flavored juice on your finger to taste.
Last but not least, the person behind the counter would setup your device for you! (including rebuildables!) coil+wick+prime+test your new mod+atomizer+juice right there in the store. No longer are they allowed to do any of that.
IMHO future vapors will be stuck drilling+plugging holes in closed POD systems with ever dwindling supply of DIY juice.
g.
Listening to music and chilling in front of the pc so i did a quick search of shops in Atlanta,this one for example came up:
VAPE TANKS
Prices seem reasonable,i don't know but it seems a bit of exageration on your part,all 3 store websites i visited none of them were charging twice for a mod or an atty.
Checked some other websites for physical stores and looked at their prices and more of the same.
I meant no disrespect with the exageration comment but as of late well not really more like since i joined ECF i noticed a not so good opinion about B&M shops.
If things get worst and in the future the only option is B&M stores it might be in your best interest to give them a chance,i mean not all of them can be crooks and charge double the price of a mod,atty or e-liquid.
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