Temp control, Evic Mini, and a talking dog

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

Grettings from TX, y'all!

Recently bought a VTC Mini and still trying to figure out the TC features.

To get vaping quality, taste-wise, roughly equal to it's kanthal counterpart, I have to set temp at 570-580, with wattage at 65. Currently running supplied nickel coil on the Tron tank. Haven't tried the titanium coil yet. Thus far taste is far below that of my Subtank Mini with the rba coil of .74 ohms at 22 watts.

Am I running the settings too high? Am I better off just sticking with kanthal, and/or switching to SS?

 

[cobalt327]

It sounds like the mod may be reading the resistance too low. You can verify the resistance as well as rule out a defective coil head by checking the resistance on a good ohm meter. Some people substitute a known-to-be-accurate TC mod to read the resistance with- but in any event, if you're subohming and/or building your own coils you need a way to accurately read the resistance.

All that said, IIRC there have been reports of the atty being less than stellar in its performance. Don't know if this was with the Ni200 coil heads or SS or Ti- or ALL of them, but if you do some digging around I'm sure you'll find some mention of this.

ETA Be sure to lock the resistance when the atty is at room temp. The VTC Mini has been known to change the resistance higher- even when locked. Not all of them do this, and even the ones that do, don't always do it, so you'll just have to see what happens. One trick to make the mod read the resistance higher is to lock the resistance on an atty that's actually NOT at room temp- this can help if you know the resistance is, say 0.08 but the mod is reading it as something lower- which will give a weaker vape.

 

[AtmizrOpin]

honestly you're better off ditching the tron tank and getting some ni200 coils for your subtank mini. are you a mouth to lung or a straight to lung vaper?

 

[RandyF]

TC vaping is different than non-TC vaping. If you were a smoker, think of it like switching from reds to ultra lights, it is going to take some adjustment. If you are using cotton as a wick, vaping at any temp over (approximately) 450F is basically defeating the purpose, because you will be above the flash point of your cotton.

I have never used TC with factory coils, so I can't speak to their quality. I was a long time Ni user but went away from it because I just couldn't be bothered with dripping, and Ni in tanks just isn't plausible (making your own at least). SS is much easier to work with and has a higher resistance, so building coils for tanks works very well, not very different from kanthal. I would assume they work better in factory made coils as well.

If you can adjust to a cooler vape (it's cooler for a reason) and a slightly thinner cloud then TC vaping is great, but if you need the warmth and thick clouds, you might as well stick with kanthal.

 

[cobalt327]

Not to be argumentative but the thing is, at 450 degrees F with a wick that's wet with juice- cotton will not burn. I don't vape that high myself, but I know plenty of folks who do on a routine basis w/o issue.

Ni200 coils in tanks is not only plausible, but many tanks have premade Ni 200 heads available for TC mode vaping. Not to mention I personally use Ni 200 coils of my own making almost exclusively in all my tanks (sometimes use Ti), including but not limited to Kayfun Lite/Lite Plus/v2, Kayfun v4, Kayfun Monster, SXK Nebula Wine, Lemo Drop, etc. My go-to build is Ni200, 3mm ID, ~6-7 turns having 0.07-0.08 ohm. I use rayon exclusively. FWIW I can vape in TC mode just as warm as I want, clouds aren't my thing but rest assured- a Kayfun Monster will chuck cloudz brah with the best of them. haha

 

[RandyF]

TC wasn't designed to protect us from wet wicks, if you are over 450F you run the risk of dry hits just as you would with kanthal. I said I couldn't speak to the pre-made coils, I have never used one, but I have seen more than a few posts regarding their inconsistency, but that can be true with any factory coils.

I won't rehash ancient debates regarding Ni, but for the way I used it, tanks were not an option, and still wouldn't be.

 

[AtmizrOpin]

i run most of my nife48, SS and Ti at 500°F and above. i never get dry hits and my wick (cotton) is perfectly safe. even when the tank id bone dry i can fire the build and the cotton is 100%. so saying anything past 450°F is defeating TC's purpose is incorrect. my two cents.

 

[cobalt327]

When the wick is even approaching being dry, TC begins to modulate the power. One would have to be pretty oblivious not to notice.

 

[cobalt327]

*SNIP* To get vaping quality, taste-wise, roughly equal to it's kanthal counterpart, I have to set temp at 570-580, with wattage at 65. *SNIP*

The takeaway of this is- you are not actually vaping at the temps you have the mod set to. If you were, the vape would not be anything like you describe. So, your task is to try and isolate whether the problem is with the coil heads, the initial resistance reading being incorrect, or even if the mod is defective.

I'm guessing you're aware you need a good charged battery and be sure the batt terminals are clean as well as the 510.

 

[David247]

CL-Ti and CL-Ni Head - Joyetech
CL Head ——Nickel (Ni200)
Resistance: 0.2Ω+-0.0Ω
Temperature recommended: 500-550˚F(260-290℃）
Summit wattage: 60W

You could try manually setting the tcr see if that helps

The Ultimate TCR List

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

honestly you're better off ditching the tron tank and getting some ni200 coils for your subtank mini. are you a mouth to lung or a straight to lung vaper?

I'm mostly a MTL'er, with the occasional DTL thrown in. Going the try the titanium coils next and see how they run.

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

TC vaping is different than non-TC vaping. If you were a smoker, think of it like switching from reds to ultra lights, it is going to take some adjustment. If you are using cotton as a wick, vaping at any temp over (approximately) 450F is basically defeating the purpose, because you will be above the flash point of your cotton.

I have never used TC with factory coils, so I can't speak to their quality. I was a long time Ni user but went away from it because I just couldn't be bothered with dripping, and Ni in tanks just isn't plausible (making your own at least). SS is much easier to work with and has a higher resistance, so building coils for tanks works very well, not very different from kanthal. I would assume they work better in factory made coils as well.

If you can adjust to a cooler vape (it's cooler for a reason) and a slightly thinner cloud then TC vaping is great, but if you need the warmth and thick clouds, you might as well stick with kanthal.

That's exaxtly what I was thinking of doing, as well as experimenting with some SS wires. My kanthal is from Lightning Vapes, and has given me good results, so I'm inclined to stay with them for SS wire, but if you have a better recommendation, I'm open.

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

CL-Ti and CL-Ni Head - Joyetech
CL Head ——Nickel (Ni200)
Resistance: 0.2Ω+-0.0Ω
Temperature recommended: 500-550˚F(260-290℃）
Summit wattage: 60W

You could try manually setting the tcr see if that helps

The Ultimate TCR List

Yep, those are the settings I'm using for the nickel coils. Haven't played with the TCR features yet, but will soonest.

 

[RandyF]

That's exaxtly what I was thinking of doing, as well as experimenting with some SS wires. My kanthal is from Lightning Vapes, and has given me good results, so I'm inclined to stay with them for SS wire, but if you have a better recommendation, I'm open.

I have always ordered my wire from TEMCo, never been disappointed.

 

[OhTheAgony]

I came to see the talking dog, I am very disappointed

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

I came to see the talking dog, I am very disappointed

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

I just needed a catchy title to get people's attention. I belong to several diff forums and put up postings, several of which have still gone unanswered to this day. And that was back in 2011 in a car detailing forum! LOL

 

[AtmizrOpin]

I just needed a catchy title to get people's attention. I belong to several diff forums and put up postings, several of which have still gone unanswered to this day. And that was back in 2011 in a car detailing forum! LOL

don't use dish liquid soap when washing your car. it strips the wax.

 

[cobalt327]

And don't use a 3M pad to remove bird .....

 

[HawaiianVaporTrailz]

don't use dish liquid soap when washing your car. it strips the wax.

And dries out the rubber and plastic