That Elusive Smokey Flavor

[Exchaner]

I ran a crazy experiment looking for that burning/smokey flavor of cigarettes. The method I used is not very practical, but I am hoping someone will come up with a better idea to imrove the process.

Here is what I did: I collected some of the paste that accumulates inside of a cigarette holder and mixed it with a mixture of alcohol and pg. Evaporated the alcohol, and wound up with a highly concentrated brownish solution. Added one drop per 1 ml of base, and man, what a flavor. It nailed that smokey flavor to a T.
I can vape it all day, all by itself !!

I do have some safety concerns since essentially I am inhaling tar from a burning cigarette. However some of the NETS we are vaping might contain basically the same material. I estimate each ml of final juice contains approx 8% of the residue from a single cigarette. Perhaps a better way would be to extract the flavor from unburnt tobacco and then torch the extract ...?

Any thoughts how to improve this process to make it more practical (or safer?)

 

[oplholik]

I came up with this recipe. It is slightly reminiscent of an ash tray, but I like it.

 

[Exchaner]

I have already tried FA Black Fire and it is quite good at low % as you mentioned above. It reminds me more of hickory flavor than a cigarette.

 

[f1vefour]

I have already tried FA Black Fire and it is quite good at low % as you mentioned above. It reminds me more of hickory flavor than a cigarette.

It definitely smells like liquid smoke you use in cooking.

 

[jonnydoe]

drop per 1 ml of base

How much tar is in a drop ? How much is the mixing ratio with pg and ethanol in the extract ? Did you mean a cold or heat extraction ? Tell me more, please....

 

[Exchaner]

How much tar is in a drop ? How much is the mixing ratio with pg and ethanol in the extract ? Did you mean a cold or heat extraction ? Tell me more, please....

I used cold Isopropyl alcohol to dissolve the paste, added twice the amount of pg and evaporated the alcohol. Wound up with 6 ml of flavored pg containing residue from the equivalent of 10 cigarettes. I used 1 drop of that flavor per ml of base. I need to add, that is not an ordinary cigarette holder. It is designed to entrap much of the gunk before it gets into your lungs. Widely available - on EBay for example.

 

[jonnydoe]

I know the cigarette holder, i have some. Perhaps i will try your receipe. Its interesting...

 

[Exchaner]

I know the cigarette holder, i have some. Perhaps i will try your receipe. Its interesting...

I have been thinking of using a vacuum pump to "smoke" the cigarettes for me by connecting it to the holder And just a note, in order to get the equivalent of 10 cigarettes, you will need to start with 18-20. The device will only catch 50% or so of the residue..

 

[Bunnykiller]

may not be relevant but... I did extract a 1/2 smoked cigar... and it did end up tasting just like a 1/2 smoked cigar

 

[scotdc]

Try a little Dirty Neutral Base from Inawera. Gives most tobaccos that ashy taste we had when smoking analogs. Your method, while it seems like it works flavor wise, might just introduce some of those carcinogens and other dangerous chemicals that we are all trying to give up by quitting smoking and becoming vapers.

 

[Exchaner]

Try a little Dirty Neutral Base from Inawera. Gives most tobaccos that ashy taste we had when smoking analogs.

Been there, done that. I have extracted several tobaccos and none seem to replicate that smokey flavor like this does.

[/QUOTE]Your method, while it seems like it works flavor wise, might just introduce some of those carcinogens and other dangerous chemicals that we are all trying to give up by quitting smoking and becoming vapers.[/QUOTE]

That is what concerns me about this method. Almost any burning organic material will produce carcinogens, including over-burnt meat. On the positive side, I only vape 2-3 ml's a day. It translates to 20% of one cigarette.

 

[jonnydoe]

All good tasting stuff is not good for the healty, i hate it.

 

[f1vefour]

Have you tried smoking some tobacco leaves before extracting?

Smoke as in wood fire not actually igniting the tobacco.

 

[gt_1955]

Roasting the tobacco and capturing the resin ... now to work out the mechanics of it

 

[mcclintock]

Your method, while it seems like it works flavor wise, might just introduce some of those carcinogens and other dangerous chemicals that we are all trying to give up by quitting smoking and becoming vapers.

Some?!!!??!1!!?

 

[oplholik]

I wasn't gonna comment, but I gotta say that this seems like a lot of work to get back some of what we were trying to get rid of in the first place.

 

[SailCat]

While a paste created from cigarette residue by using rubbing alcohol as a solvent is not a combination that would be to my taste, I would urge you to use ethanol (lethal in high doses, like Tequila Night ... man, I could tell you stories) and Isopropyl alcohol (poisonous).

Just a thought, anyway. 'Wanted to pop in & say hi, Exchaner. I've missed yovur wit and wisdom ....

 

[f1vefour]

While a paste created from cigarette residue by using rubbing alcohol as a solvent is not a combination that would be to my taste, I would urge you to use ethanol (lethal in high doses, like Tequila Night ... man, I could tell you stories) and Isopropyl alcohol (poisonous).

Just a thought, anyway. 'Wanted to pop in & say hi, Exchaner. I've missed yovur wit and wisdom ....

I missed that, definitely don't use Isopropyl alcohol, it is poisonous.

Isopropyl alcohol and its metabolite, acetone, act as central nervous system (CNS)depressants.[24] Symptoms of isopropyl alcohol poisoning include flushing, headache,dizziness, CNS depression, nausea, vomiting,anesthesia, hypothermia, hypotension, shock,respiratory depression, and coma.[24]Poisoning can occur from ingestion, inhalation, or skin absorption; therefore, well-ventilated areas and protective gloves are recommended.

 

[dannyv45]

I missed that, definitely don't use Isopropyl alcohol, it is poisonous.

It's not poisonous it's ethonol with bitterent added to discourage consumption. Still results are mixed and not recommend for extraction.

 

[Exchaner]

Ethanol is better than ISO for extracting flavors from tobacco leaves. However, this is not really an extraction process. It is just making the paste a little thinner using alcohol. I think the alcohol may not even be necessary since it seems the paste will easily dissolve in pg.

As to carcinogens, I fully agree the hazard is there. The only positive note, a person who vapes 2.5 ml a day like myself, it amounts to 20% of one cigarette per day.