The Association of Personal Vapors Forum is now officially opened

[BigJimW]

YouTube - The Association of Personal Vapors Forum is now officially opened

Tonight, after a month of beta testing and work, the Association of Personal Vaporers web forum is up. We made this forum with the intent of keeping communication lines open between distributors, manufacturers, and customers, open and free of prying eyes from ASH and the FDA

http://www.moonport.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl

PM BigJimW there (not here) and ask for the "backyard special". IF you know what I mean.

It's our life. It should be OUR CHOICE. I for one am sick of someone trying to conform MY life to fit THEIR choice! I think you should be sick of it too.

 

[Data4]

EDIT: Ah, good. Looking now. Thanks!

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Link fixed ---Big Jim, this is a great site and well needed in the vaping community!!! Good read for all and will be one of the most viable tools at our disposal post ban. Check it out.


Sun

 

[AngusATAT]

We're officially open? Dang, I guess that means I'll have to actually do some moderating work instead of being lazy and drinking all night.

A vaper's work is never done.

 

[sstambo]

The site looks nice. I hope u let me in.
I just started vapin' 2.5 days ago. Only 2 Analogs today!!!
I really like it!! I need something to smoke w/ my red wine. Would prefer it to be a little healthier for me.

 

[BigJimW]

We're officially open? Dang, I guess that means I'll have to actually do some moderating work instead of being lazy and drinking all night.

A vaper's work is never done.

Now I know where all my liquor has been disappearing too.

 

[AngusATAT]

Now I know where all my liquor has been disappearing too.

Uhh... would you believe I was cleaning atomizers with it?

 

[sstambo]

:d:d:d:d:d

 

[KevinD872]

Site looks good Jim, and I'm thinking about joining as well (if you'd have me. LOL). I have one question though, and I ask this with utmost respect for you (Jim) and this forum: What's the difference between your forum and this one --- other than the obvious careful screening for membership? We've got quite a nice community here and it almost seems like starting over or competing, but it's obvious from responses in this thread that it isn't. I'm sure I'm missing something, and being relatively new here, this is the first I've heard of it. FWIW, I fully agree with your feelings on ASH and the FDA and enjoy your videos.

I read your initial post about prying eyes, but as a guest I can read posts (not videos). Is that where the heart of it is, in posts hidden from the general public (read: ASHoles)?

Can you clue some of us in on what your board is about?

 

[BigJimW]

Site looks good Jim, and I'm thinking about joining as well (if you'd have me. LOL). I have one question though, and I ask this with utmost respect for you (Jim) and this forum: What's the difference between your forum and this one --- other than the obvious careful screening for membership? We've got quite a nice community here and it almost seems like starting over or competing, but it's obvious from responses in this thread that it isn't. I'm sure I'm missing something, and being relatively new here, this is the first I've heard of it. FWIW, I fully agree with your feelings on ASH and the FDA and enjoy your videos.

Can you clue some of us in on what your board is about?

Quite easy to answer. The one common thing I've noticed in the past several months is that every time ASH does something, we talked about it here before it even happened. The big problem with all the e-cig forums is that it is too open. Right now, we're facing a ban, and probably a big one at that. It is too easy for the "enemy" to get information here to continue their campaign of ridding the planet of the PV.

I'm not trying to get people away from this place. Quite the contrary, I support the ECF to be a well established forum (which it already is) and I still support this place 100% and plan on being a regular like always. But the big problem is, it's TOO open. And there are folks that already established they will not take some underground route during a post ban era. There is just way too much talk here though that will just end up screwing us in the end.

Until now, nobody has tried to establish this type of communications pipeline. Last month, someone gave me that idea, and I ran with it.

Lets just say that it is time for the underground railroad to be constructed.

I'm not forcing anyone to join. But the door is always open.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Jim is correct---ASH has been doing linkbacks off this Forum for quite some time and are always one step ahead of us. High time ASH was not privy to such information so easily.


Sun

 

[neonerz]

What advantage could ASH or the FDA gain from reading this forum? Is there a forum in here planning a take over that I missed?

Also, isn't taking the community underground, making it like your hiding something? If you believe what you are doing (vaping) is right, hiding it is the wrong way to show it. What if the US's forefathers started smuggling in tea instead of fighting, where would the US be today?

 

[Lightgeoduck]

LOVE The idea, but I am a little confused. This other forum was established in the preperation of a ban, and that this forum is too open.

But won't everyone see this thread? and if you are selective and not trying to just take people away from this forum... wouldn't the better idea be to establish a community group like "SoV" and make it invite only then when members of the group join move them over to the "underground forum" Especially since alll old timers here seem to establish friendships that it would grow by a backdoor grape vine?

I am not bashing by no means, I love the idea, but from seeing your visiters messages and knowing how many people are going to post in this thread... sort of defeats the whole underground concept I think the "enemy" will foil your plans.. don't you?

it is just an observation and legit questions I am not trying to be condencending by no means.

Quite easy to answer. The one common thing I've noticed in the past several months is that every time ASH does something, we talked about it here before it even happened. The big problem with all the e-cig forums is that it is too open. Right now, we're facing a ban, and probably a big one at that. It is too easy for the "enemy" to get information here to continue their campaign of ridding the planet of the PV.

I'm not trying to get people away from this place. Quite the contrary, I support the ECF to be a well established forum (which it already is) and I still support this place 100% and plan on being a regular like always. But the big problem is, it's TOO open. And there are folks that already established they will not take some underground route during a post ban era. There is just way too much talk here though that will just end up screwing us in the end.

Until now, nobody has tried to establish this type of communications pipeline. Last month, someone gave me that idea, and I ran with it.

Lets just say that it is time for the underground railroad to be constructed.

I'm not forcing anyone to join. But the door is always open.

 

[BigJimW]

What advantage could ASH or the FDA gain from reading this forum? Is there a forum in here planning a take over that I missed?

Also, isn't taking the community underground, making it like your hiding something? If you believe what you are doing (vaping) is right, hiding it is the wrong way to show it. What if the US's forefathers started smuggling in tea instead of fighting, where would the US be today?

You would be quite surprised what advantage ASH and the FDA gets from reading this forum.

Loose lips sink ships, after all.

And taking the community underground is not the goal. But remember, the USA in the 21st century is not the same USA that the forefathers envisioned this place to be. Last I heard, the forefathers encouraged the people to uprise once in awhile to keep the government honest. That has not happened in decades and guess what, we got the **** we asked for.

So I guess it is time to smuggle that tea in until people sprout a set and actually stick up for what is right in this country. But as many are too worried about who wins American Idol tonight, than what goes on in the current state of affairs in the US, that doesn't matter too much. Now does it?

 

[KevinD872]

Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like a place I want to be. PM sent over there.

 

[Lightgeoduck]

taking the community underground isn't the goal?
I thought you set let the underground railroad construction begin

unless you mean literally... I am not following... I really don't want to be a nay sayer because the idea is still good, but I think this could be misconstewed as spam.. and I don't think that is your intent... I just think this needed to be in the planning stage a little more before posting a careless thread for the ASH to see (and I think that is your goal not to do).

You would be quite surprised what advantage ASH and the FDA gets from reading this forum.

Loose lips sink ships, after all.

And taking the community underground is not the goal. But remember, the USA in the 21st century is not the same USA that the forefathers envisioned this place to be. Last I heard, the forefathers encouraged the people to uprise once in awhile to keep the government honest. That has not happened in decades and guess what, we got the **** we asked for.

So I guess it is time to smuggle that tea in until people sprout a set and actually stick up for what is right in this country. But as many are too worried about who wins American Idol tonight, than what goes on in the current state of affairs in the US, that doesn't matter too much. Now does it?

 

[BigJimW]

What advantage could ASH or the FDA gain from reading this forum? Is there a forum in here planning a take over that I missed?

Also, isn't taking the community underground, making it like your hiding something? If you believe what you are doing (vaping) is right, hiding it is the wrong way to show it. What if the US's forefathers started smuggling in tea instead of fighting, where would the US be today?

You would be quite surprised what advantage ASH and the FDA gets from reading this forum.

Loose lips sink ships, after all.

And taking the community underground is not the goal. But remember, the USA in the 21st century is not the same USA that the forefathers envisioned this place to be. Last I heard, the forefathers encouraged the people to uprise once in awhile to keep the government honest. That has not happened in decades and guess what, we got the **** we asked for.

So I guess it is time to smuggle that tea in until people sprout a set and actually stick up for what is right in this country. But as many are too worried about who wins American Idol tonight, than what goes on in the current state of affairs in the US, that doesn't matter too much. Now does it?

 

[neonerz]

Take my arguments with a grain of salt, I'm new here, what do I know (my first PV hasn't even arrived yet), but...

And taking the community underground is not the goal. But remember, the USA in the 21st century is not the same USA that the forefathers envisioned this place to be. Last I heard, the forefathers encouraged the people to uprise once in awhile to keep the government honest. That has not happened in decades and guess what, we got the **** we asked for.

I don't disagree with this statement in general, but really, how did we get here? Is it because big corporations yield just as much power in this country as the government? Maybe, but how did that happen? It happen because we don't have the drive we once did. People don't fight for what they believe in anymore. Yes there are plenty of organizations that do fight, but unfortunately they are outnumbered 1000 to 1 by people who just sit back and take it. Giving up the fight and hiding isn't the way to change that, it only helps their (whoever they are) cause.

So I guess it is time to smuggle that tea in until people sprout a set and actually stick up for what is right in this country.

I'm sorry, but this is a VERY hypocritical statement. You can't advocate smuggling in the tea, and within the same sentence, talk down on the people who actually do it. By creating the underground, your encouraging people to do exactly what you seem to be against, laying down.

There is a BIG problem here, I agree, but hiding it isn't going to solve it.

Organizations like the ECA, and the countless threads in the legal forum urging people to write their Governors and congressman are whats going to help. If everyone who's registered in this forum wrote their elected official expressing their dislike for whats going on, that would help a lot more then a secret forum would.

The government is corrupt, maybe, but its not broken. Plus the fact the corruption could be used to your advantage. If enough people speak up against this, being corrupt would yield no advantages if you don't get re-elected.

 

[neonerz]

Jim is correct---ASH has been doing linkbacks off this Forum for quite some time and are always one step ahead of us. High time ASH was not privy to such information so easily.


Sun

Sorry for the double post, but I just seen this. What do you mean by this? What information on this site would help their agenda? What documents of ASH's are posted on here that would give them the advantage if they knew we were looking at it?

I'm not trying to be a troll or anything, I'm just trying to wrap my head around what on this forum could be used against the community? If that's really happening, shouldn't you be more worried about warning/banning the user posting/saying/whatevering the info then you would be about who's reading it?

I'm assuming if the ban goes through for lets say CA, this forum wouldn't advocate people buying/selling the product in CA. So whats the problem?

 

[BigJimW]

taking the community underground isn't the goal?
I thought you set let the underground railroad construction begin

unless you mean literally... I am not following... I really don't want to be a nay sayer because the idea is still good, but I think this could be misconstewed as spam.. and I don't think that is your intent... I just think this needed to be in the planning stage a little more before posting a careless thread for the ASH to see (and I think that is your goal not to do).

oh, let me clarify, I WANT "ASH" to see it. I really really do.

I've done my homework on ASH and believe me, they're not getting in. I even pre-emptive banned their IP addresses and any email address they may use to register. 2 decades of working on the web may actually prove something for me

The forum is serving two purposes as far as I am concerned. First is to give people a safe pipeline to communicate. And second to keep that fatbodied Banzhalf out. I called that **** one once before, and I'm calling him out again.

But lets say that 60 something year old greaseball is too old to take me on my challenge.

John, take me up on the challenge. Get a mole in.

John Banzhaf Watch

We're still watching you.