Haha no need to apologize there, I totally agree with you. If the doctor took this long to blame e-cigs and still hasn't ran a single test then it is all out irresponsible for himself or BBC to report on it like this.
The BBC Takes A Stab At E-Cigarettes
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Haha no need to apologize there, I totally agree with you. If the doctor took this long to blame e-cigs and still hasn't ran a single test then it is all out irresponsible for himself or BBC to report on it like this.
Wood, when I smoked I would wake up every morning having to suck my ventolin inhaler like an analog cigarette, then procede to hack my brains out for 20 minutes. I would get spasms in my stomach and chest from the violent hacking. That has subsided alot over the past 4 weeks since I quit analogs. Not to mention the headaches and near blackouts from the violent hacking. I no longer need my inhaler in the morning, I no longer hack violently allthough I still do hack from time to time but nothing near like I was 4 weeks ago.
I own my own renovation company, I would have to do alot of demo work and I would be so out of breath after 10 minutes I would have to stop, the dust plus the smoking would trigger my asthma to a point I was gasping for air. It was severely effecting my work. Now I can work without stopping, the dust doesnt trigger my asthma like it use to, and I can actually breath.
At night I would lie down and all the crap from smoking 25 analogs would settle in and feel like a 400 pound man was sitting on my chest. I would sometimes have to use a nebulizer machine to take salbutomol because the inhaler wasnt working. I no longer have to do that and the 400 pound man now feels like a 120 pound man lol.
After hearing that, does my complaining about minor inconveniences seem that concerning to you? lol
It probably has allot to do with the MHRA's stance of "do nothing" and revisit in Apr 2013. It is my opinion that we are going to see allot more of this kind or crap before the dust settles.
I tend to agree Switched, this is just the beginning of all of this. Hifistud expressed his concern that this article would be National news and as much as I hope that his prediction doesn't come to fruition it just might. I think the only thing we can do is find a way to officially test these things in mass somehow, perhaps through Universities or health clinics but tbh I wouldn't even know where to start.
I am a willing test subject though
There is something about public safety hysteria which is both fascinating and incredibly dangerous in it's own right. So powerful it has caused parents to cut their babies genitals open and others to poison themselves to death and even over-using disinfectants to a point of 'abuse' and super-germ factories in households around the world.
This is an example of something that will spread like a wildfire in August as the rumour travels "I heard you can die from these.. a guy died when his lungs filled with oil!".
Here is the thing - Doctors are not 'wrong' to ask for investigation here. It is nearly a 'legal obligation' and part of a sort of 'scientific method' in action. They do have to inquire even if they know the probability is very very low. They have to mention it and subject the 'question mark' to standards.
OK.
Maybe what concerns me far more is that the media, knowing the public at large is so very vulnerable to 'mass hysteria' does nothing but exploit that weakness of ours. Rather than deal with this in some relatively proportionate amount of attention (nearly zero compared to 1000 other similar situations) they will FIRE THE SECOND COMING HEADLINES or at the least try and see if they can push it into a 'hysteria' sequence. See if it grabs.
That the man was a lifelong smoker before switching to vaping for just a short time is reason enough for a reporter to nearly not bother covering this yet.
That early investigation shows that nobody uses oils is another reason to just plain hold off.
and,
IF we did find out the man had been mixing his own liquids with oil (on purpose or by mistake) then the story does not become 'E-Cigs'.
It is not a case where 'E-Juice' did something. It is another (out of thousands) of cases where someone mistakenly poisoned themselves.
In the same way many a home brewery has seen victims mistakenly ingest poisons. In the same way thousands eat Salmonella from poorly preserved chicken. In the same way thousands mistakenly take the wrong pills in wrong dosages and kill themselves.
Anyway, I do feel terrible for the man and of course we want to make sure someone isn't getting some kind of bad product or making mistakes at home.
My main problem here is that this does not warrant 'alarms' yet and is likely to CAUSE HARM by way of dissuading the general public and consequently making it more difficult for the 99.999% of smokers who will only get HEALTHIER LUNGS from vaping.
(I bet its 100% but EVEN IF 1 in a million has difficulty its still far less than nearly 100% of smokers having difficulty).
Anyways.. good find and thanks for posting!
This is an example of something that will spread like a wildfire in August as the rumour travels "I heard you can die from these.. a guy died when his lungs filled with oil!".
Here is the thing - Doctors are not 'wrong' to ask for investigation here. It is nearly a 'legal obligation' and part of a sort of 'scientific method' in action. They do have to inquire even if they know the probability is very very low. They have to mention it and subject the 'question mark' to standards.
OK.
Maybe what concerns me far more is that the media, knowing the public at large is so very vulnerable to 'mass hysteria' does nothing but exploit that weakness of ours. Rather than deal with this in some relatively proportionate amount of attention (nearly zero compared to 1000 other similar situations) they will FIRE THE SECOND COMING HEADLINES or at the least try and see if they can push it into a 'hysteria' sequence. See if it grabs.
That the man was a lifelong smoker before switching to vaping for just a short time is reason enough for a reporter to nearly not bother covering this yet.
That early investigation shows that nobody uses oils is another reason to just plain hold off.
and,
IF we did find out the man had been mixing his own liquids with oil (on purpose or by mistake) then the story does not become 'E-Cigs'.
It is not a case where 'E-Juice' did something. It is another (out of thousands) of cases where someone mistakenly poisoned themselves.
In the same way many a home brewery has seen victims mistakenly ingest poisons. In the same way thousands eat Salmonella from poorly preserved chicken. In the same way thousands mistakenly take the wrong pills in wrong dosages and kill themselves.
Anyway, I do feel terrible for the man and of course we want to make sure someone isn't getting some kind of bad product or making mistakes at home.
My main problem here is that this does not warrant 'alarms' yet and is likely to CAUSE HARM by way of dissuading the general public and consequently making it more difficult for the 99.999% of smokers who will only get HEALTHIER LUNGS from vaping.
(I bet its 100% but EVEN IF 1 in a million has difficulty its still far less than nearly 100% of smokers having difficulty).
Anyways.. good find and thanks for posting!
I agree with ElProximo. At this point public hysteria will be hard on the industry. The thing is, if it is found that this was not the reason the person died, no one will hear that. Doesn't make as good news.
As for the media, I have zero respect for all of it. There is no unbiased media nor responsibility in journalism anymore.
As for the media, I have zero respect for all of it. There is no unbiased media nor responsibility in journalism anymore.
Anti-smokers will do anything to promote their agenda. A couple of years ago, they tried to claim the first death by shs by sharing a story of a young waitress who died suddenly during her shift in a smoking allowed bar. The claim by the anti-smokers was that the smoke induced a sudden fatal asthma attack. The coroner stated this was the cause. However, as the story came out, we found that the young woman was a severe asthmatic who had suffered several attacks that day at home before coming to work. Her father said that she had left for work and forgot her inhaler. What the original report did not state was that she had been at work for only 15 minutes, that there were only two people in the bar and they were not smoking when she had the attack. Using the media to promote the eugenics of the anti-smokers and telling lies to get policies enacted is shameful. (this happened in Michigan before they enacted a smoking ban) See Dr. Siegel's column today on the lies told by Tobacco Free Kids at one of their "events." Not only are these groups lying; they are criminals, committing scientific fraud wherever they go.
I agree with most of what you have to say, but the doctor's full statement was this: "...there's no systematic research assessing the overall safety of inhaling these chemicals deep into the lungs over an extended period."
An extended period, presumably, would be a decade or decadesand we do ourselves a disservice by deliberately butchering what these guys have to say in order to make our response easier.
There is no research into eating GM foods over decades and decades, but the technology is proceeding full steam ahead.
Long term research is an oxymoron used by antis, one that is deliberately unachievable, if everything needed long-term research then nothing would ever get into the marketplace.
Long term research is an oxymoron used by antis, one that is deliberately unachievable, if everything needed long-term research then nothing would ever get into the marketplace.
Absolutely well said. If one researches the adverse effects of PG vice safety of said compound a whole different portrait is painted. But that wouldn't be fun as it would take our "bobos" away.
Here is the list of oils found in cigarettes, and then tell me where that "oil" came from Dr hate
Butter Oil
Cananga Oil
Caraway Oil
Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
Carrot Oil
Cascarilla Oil
Cassia Bark Oil
Cassie Absolute and Oil
Cedar Leaf Oil
Cedarwood Oil
Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
Citronella Oil
Clary Oil
Coconut Oil
Copaiba Oil
Thats just 40% of the oil found in tobacco cigarettes as you can see im only on the letter C so before you go spouting your mouth off doctor scare monger do you research.
Butter Oil
Cananga Oil
Caraway Oil
Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
Carrot Oil
Cascarilla Oil
Cassia Bark Oil
Cassie Absolute and Oil
Cedar Leaf Oil
Cedarwood Oil
Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
Citronella Oil
Clary Oil
Coconut Oil
Copaiba Oil
Thats just 40% of the oil found in tobacco cigarettes as you can see im only on the letter C so before you go spouting your mouth off doctor scare monger do you research.
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