The conversion of an anti vaping/anti smoking activist to pro vaping.

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I had to scroll back to the top to see what the original topic was.


Folks, the country was way, way, way, way more divided back in the Revolutionary period. During the Civil War period it wasn't looking too sporty either. This is nothing.
There was a time when the President and Vice President had a dual at ten paces. Politicians handed out free liquor at polling places etc.

Back then word of mouth spread on foot or by horseback. These days there's instant access and instant gratification. Heck, there's tv channels dedicated to one side or the other.

Misinformation is nothing new, nor is incorrect public perception. All holy books tell the tale of a crowd voting to release a murderer and nail a good man to a cross. All due to public perception formed by a known crook disguised as a preacher.

This is nothing these days. Check out Wag the Dog sometime. Lots of truth in that fictional flick.

Each must educate those around us as we are given the chance and let fate take it from there. Folks had given up on this nation before the ink had dried on the Constitution. We just have to understand that debate is a great thing and vote in primaries against the machine that keeps putting the same people out front.

In the meantime, vaping is now a source of debate and those few of us who know the truth have to spread truth one open mind at a time.
 

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It reminds me what happened in Europe exactly one century ago, with the total and inconditional ban of the Absinthe, an alcoholic drink prepared with the extract of the plant called Arthemisia, containing a psicoactive substance called Tujone, also contained in licorice, aniseed and fennel.
Without any true evidence, it was banned all over the Continent, where it was the most common party drink.
Whiskey took hold instead.
It seems vaping could suffer such wide and unjustified emotional attack, like absinthe did, one hundred years ago?
 

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It reminds me what happened in Europe exactly one century ago, with the total and inconditional ban of the Absinthe, an alcoholic drink prepared with the extract of the plant called Arthemisia, containing a psicoactive substance called Tujone, also contained in licorice, aniseed and fennel.
Without any true evidence, it was banned all over the Continent, where it was the most common party drink.
Whiskey took hold instead.
It seems vaping could suffer such wide and unjustified emotional attack, like absinthe did, one hundred years ago?

You can buy real absinthe in Switzerland. To be fair though both absinthe along with pastis have resulted in a lot of brain damaged alcoholics. I don't understand the mechanism but it certainly effects the brain more than say beer would when abused :)
 

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It's part of the back ground story...got to take the rough with the smooth. But anyway this is exactly the sort of thing that will escape bias and convert an attitude...by its very nature it is not just about vaping :)

I am not talking about cutting any part of the woman talking. I am talking about cutting all of the silent (with music) video of cigarettes being run through that machine. It doesn't add anything to the video except wasted time. That makes up what feels like close to half the video and exists for no reason.
 
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I do think absinth is more dangerous than ecigs. (This may be a myth) but isn't there something like wormwood in it? Something weird?

I'd say this is probably not so bad for the alcoholic, more so the new imbiber, drinking too much absinthe punch or whatnot.

I did that with Drambuie the first time I sat down to seriously drink. My parents were out. I chose the bottle because it was fullest (there is a reason for that) and I drank it fast. Like, past puking straight into a blackout. I sort of have a hazy memory of my head on the table, staring up at the bottle and going "I bet if I finish that, I will feel better." It looked like the Empire state building seriously....

Anyway I had to go to the hospital. Then therapy. It was a sucky first drunk. I never tried absinthe but that's probably for the best. I also never drank Drambuie again, also probably for the best. For a long time even the smell of it made me ill....

However I think that absinthe may not have been legitimately bannable, other than it was alcohol.

I mean.... I drank toilet bowl cleaner as a toddler (my mom's back was turned) and I had to go to the hospital then too. You don't see THAT off the market, do you?

Sin taxes and sin bans need to Go Away....
Anna

Drinking hazardous things since 1978.
 

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I also never drank Drambuie again, also probably for the best. For a long time even the smell of it made me ill....
I did that with Grand Marnier once. It was 2 for 1 night. My friend asked me what my name was and I couldn't tell her.

Wasn't Absinthe a popular drink in France, 1920s or so? Did it have opium in it? Sounds like it did, lol.
 
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I have my little book right here. It's been awhile, though. Maybe time for another review:cool:
I'm not a Constitutional scholar or anything but everytime I read it I learn something. I really should study the history behind the writing of the Constitution. That would probably be enlightening also.
 

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I'm not a Constitutional scholar or anything but everytime I read it I learn something. I really should study the history behind the writing of the Constitution. That would probably be enlightening also.
Agree. Reading anything about our beginnings is enlightening. I especially like the American historian, David McCullough. He received the Pulitzer for his biography on John Adams. His house (Adams) is not far from where I live. When I visited I met the grounds keeper who had juicy stories to tell us, lol. Fun!
 

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BTW, doesn't ecf have a special thread for political dialogue (if it should ever creep into the cracks)? I know my other place does. And my other, other place doesn't allow politics, sex or religion to even be mentioned. They keep it on point.

They do. It's called "The Outside" and only those with the thickest of skins should go there. There isn't much moderation, and things often get quite heated and very personal....very quickly.
 

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BTW, doesn't ecf have a special thread for political dialogue (if it should ever creep into the cracks)? I know my other place does. And my other, other place doesn't allow politics, sex or religion to even be mentioned. They keep it on point.

@muth...if it does I had no idea...in my view this is just vaping advocacy not politics. Just something that if it could be got onto where ever this anti-vaping rubbish has been aired it would re-educate many people.

Every body trusts a little old lady :) Especially one with an English accent :lol:
 

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Would anybody in their right mind think this is safer than smoking?

Think about it. When people walk through that at a bus stop...see it billowing out an automobile window, see it coming from the young lungs of Johnny or Jane? Knowing it's laced with nicotine?

Image is everything these days. And that photo to most makes vaping look about as safe as vertical rock climbing, propelling your skateboard down a hill at 55 mph or riding wheelies on a motorcycle in 5 o'clock interstate traffic.

And unfortunately there are enough hipsters out there doing it to cause the masses to think 99.9% of vape folks when not filling a 40'x40' room with vape are at home concocting other ways of extreme activities they mimic from you tube videos. Oh.... and much of the masses think "those things explode".
 

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@muth...if it does I had no idea...in my view this is just vaping advocacy not politics. Just something that if it could be got onto where ever this anti-vaping rubbish has been aired it would re-educate many people.

Everybody trusts a little old lady :) Especially one with an English accent :lol:
Haha, ya got that right! And, yes, it is vaping advocacy but, like I said, if there's an open crack the political junkies will come slithering through looking for a fight.:laugh:
 
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