The Elephant in the Room

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I'd like to see if anyone can answer this. A lot of people are claiming that big tobacco is going to use it's money to make sure that it will be the only one able to sell e-cigs. They also maintain that the FDA will ban all flavors, destroying the industry. However, big tobacco knows these products won't sell without flavors. How can you reconcile these two positions?

easy. tobacco and menthol arent considered "flavors" in tobacco cigarettes, so if BT gets all the vape rights, they wont be considered flavors for them either.
 

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I'd like to see if anyone can answer this. A lot of people are claiming that big tobacco is going to use it's money to make sure that it will be the only one able to sell e-cigs. They also maintain that the FDA will ban all flavors, destroying the industry. However, big tobacco knows these products won't sell without flavors. How can you reconcile these two positions?
Business as usual. Where it all began. Cigarettes take over nicotine consumption and pharmaceuticals take over cessation. Maybe even BP takes over vaping. Maybe they do it with a different format for atomization. IIRC, they've already patented one.

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Too wishy washy for me. On one hand you argue that nicotine is so dangerous that it should be regulated like drugs, but on the other you want zero enforcement of reasonable laws, laws that would be deemed reasonable if applied to illicit, dangerous drugs . Instead, you argue for feel good measures that do nothing but take individual rights and sin taxes from responsible adults.

You know, in all my years Iv never heard of anyone dying from ejuice, not one. Never!
If your juice contains more then 4 ingredients, something may be wrong, ha, ha.

But I can google death by lettuce and get a result in the last 12 months.
I don`t know whats on lettuce, maybe all of it should be under the scope and damn if prices rise due to the cost of the equipment and regulation. Big Lettuce will come in and save the day, and our salads. :?)
 

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I'd like to see if anyone can answer this. A lot of people are claiming that big tobacco is going to use it's money to make sure that it will be the only one able to sell e-cigs. They also maintain that the FDA will ban all flavors, destroying the industry. However, big tobacco knows these products won't sell without flavors. How can you reconcile these two positions?

I would wager that Marlboro and Camel, who only have tobacco and menthol flavored vapes, are betting that as the only game in town they will do well enough. That or they don't really care if vaping fails, since that means they get to keep the smokers. If the FDA hands vaping over to BT, and then vaping fails, BT will be just fine.
 

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Too wishy washy for me. On one hand you argue that nicotine is so dangerous that it should be regulated like drugs, but on the other you want zero enforcement of reasonable laws, laws that would be deemed reasonable if applied to illicit, dangerous drugs . Instead, you argue for feel good measures that do nothing but take individual rights and sin taxes from responsible adults.

You know, in all my years Iv never heard of anyone dying from ejuice, not one. Never!
If your juice contains more then 4 ingredients, something may be wrong, ha, ha.

But I can google death by lettuce and get a result in the last 12 months.
I don`t know whats on lettuce, maybe all of it should be under the scope and damn if prices rise due to the cost of the equipment and regulation. Big Lettuce will come in and save the day, and our salads. :?)

yeah, what about all the cars that are killing people constantly? those arent getting banned, even though sometimes it actually is the cars fault and not the drivers. so how about nicotine? so its dangerous? ok once you ban everything that is more dangerous than nicotine (pretty much everything) THEN we can talk about it.

oh, and dont forget bleach thats sold in stores on the low shelves so kids can get at it. fix that first then we can talk about other "dangerous" liquids.
 

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I don't trust many people to self-regulate. Here's a little history on how the FDA came to be:

History of the Food and Drug Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's easy to forget that our country enjoys a high degree of confidence in the quality of products we buy because of regulation. Spend some time in the third world and you don't have that same consumer confidence.

I'm not saying the governmental agencies do it perfectly or even efficiently. But it is at least a check and balance system.
 

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Even if flavored tutti frutti wasn't available anymore so what. Most of these sellers have plenty of tobacco and menthol flavors available so if they completely banned your bluberry chocolate strawberry captain crucnh space man fantastic cotton candy flavor you still have tobacco and menthol which is what most of us tobacco smokers use all the time when we smoke but if you must have flavors buy some candy or juice or food and get over it because its not that important.
 

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Even if flavored tutti frutti wasn't available anymore so what. Most of these sellers have plenty of tobacco and menthol flavors available so if they completely banned your bluberry chocolate strawberry captain crucnh space man fantastic cotton candy flavor you still have tobacco and menthol which is what most of us tobacco smokers use all the time when we smoke but if you must have flavors buy some candy or juice or food and get over it because its not that important.

hey, blueberry chocolate strawberry captain crunch space man fantastic cotton candy is my favorite flavor :facepalm:
 

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Even if flavored tutti frutti wasn't available anymore so what. Most of these sellers have plenty of tobacco and menthol flavors available so if they completely banned your bluberry chocolate strawberry captain crucnh space man fantastic cotton candy flavor you still have tobacco and menthol which is what most of us tobacco smokers use all the time when we smoke but if you must have flavors buy some candy or juice or food and get over it because its not that important.

Flavor options are an important part of the success of vaping as an alternative to smoking.

The impact of flavors variability on e-cigarette experience An online survey published in a medical journal
 

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Yep I reckon cowboy lol, and I understand your point. I was speaking more of the single minded who think vaping is everything crowd and mentality. Sure I like to vape and this board has a lot to offer but there's a deep rooted bunch who act as if it's the most important thing in life, they have no concern how it may effect others and don't care. If you say anything negative about vaping they become hostile, question the ingredients they get mad, say it's not polite to vape around others in public they get upset cause they must vape in Walmart. Its the I must vape or I'm forced to smoke mindset, which is nonsense. I need to be allowed to vape at work or my boss is discriminating. I think you get where I'm coming from.

I hear ya, I'm new here. I have to vape with the smokers outside which is fine by me. THEY actually complained about a couple clouds a time or two which made me lulz a couple were all scrunchy faced and fanning near their faces zomg funny.
 

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Even if flavored tutti frutti wasn't available anymore so what. Most of these sellers have plenty of tobacco and menthol flavors available so if they completely banned your bluberry chocolate strawberry captain crucnh space man fantastic cotton candy flavor you still have tobacco and menthol which is what most of us tobacco smokers use all the time when we smoke but if you must have flavors buy some candy or juice or food and get over it because its not that important.

Yeah! Suck it up people. The government will decide what you can have, and you will like it. And if you don't, tough luck, and shut up about it.
 

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If there was no labeling and you had a food allergy...........well I guess you just guess about it. Like we are today. Makes me feel real confident.

I'm not an idealist.

Oh but you are. You just choose your ideals differently than I.

This is a perfect example. If you have a fish allergy, avoid fish.

But if you have a milk allergy?
Or if you have an egg allergy?
Or if you have a wheat allergy?

Where's the labels for those?

I'll tell you... There are none. You're on your own. I know. My son has all three.

And what exactly are you going to put on these juice labels?

And why wouldn't we expect it on our food flavoring labels? Because I'll tell you right now that's the flavoring usually used... and its not on there regardless of the fact they're food specific items.

Again... your ideals are not reality.

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Even if flavored tutti frutti wasn't available anymore so what. Most of these sellers have plenty of tobacco and menthol flavors available so if they completely banned your bluberry chocolate strawberry captain crucnh space man fantastic cotton candy flavor you still have tobacco and menthol which is what most of us tobacco smokers use all the time when we smoke but if you must have flavors buy some candy or juice or food and get over it because its not that important.

Then I'd most definitely be in luck. I'm one of the few vapors I know who simply doesn't like fruity sweet flavors. I use a custom blend of tobacco and menthol. It's what I've used every day for the last two years which keeps me very happy. Very happy indeed!
 
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