The end of the Provari??? 95% WA state tax!

[Jugband]

When you consider some of the horror stories about Chantix it is pretty amazing that instead of coming down on Big Pharma, they want to come after vaping. I was terrified to even try that stuff (one of the very few things I didn't try to stop smoking). I have a friend who used it (he still smokes, btw) and he said he had horrifying dreams/nightmares.

My doctor prescribed this for me back when I smoked. Of course I never got it filled! I agree it's just ridiculous! I guess anything is better than e cigs? Makes no sense to me.

 

[Jugband]

Thanks for the heads up. It's a 198 now.

199 and counting.

 

[Jjshbetz11]

221 and going up, bump

 

[Mezrein]

I'll chime in on my own views, which I'm sure is going to piss a lot of people off and frankly I don't care. I have voted for and against things that both sides have put on the table. I vote for things that make sense and that benefit the people, not the government. I vote for people in office who I believe will do what they say and if they don't ten anything that they bring to the table I vote against because I don't believe in them to do what they'll say. We are supposed to be a nation of the people, not a nation of the government. Call me blind and delusional but I think it should be the will of the people that chooses how our country should be run. Let those we elect to office make suggestions on policy, but when it comes to whether or not those policies go into effect, it's the peoples vote, not 13, or 51, or 200 people in office that should make that choice.

I just realized I can't write for crap anymore. Lol sorry for the disheveled sentence structure.


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[Criticalmass]

If someone from out of state orders from ProVape, they most likely would not be subject to the tax.

The tax would be applied at the wholesale level which means. Yes we would.

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[Rossum]

I think it should be the will of the people that chooses how our country should be run. Let those we elect to office make suggestions on policy, but when it comes to whether or not those policies go into effect, it's the peoples vote, not 13, or 51, or 200 people in office that should make that choice.

So if 51% of the people vote to make the use of nicotine illegal and punishable by, say 10 years in jail, you'd be OK with that?

 

[klynnn]

And if you're in jail you don't have much income to redistribute to the people who put you there..

 

[stevegmu]

The tax would be applied at the wholesale level which means. Yes we would.

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Where in the bills does it say this? ProVape manufactures ProVari; they don't buy at a wholesale price and re-sell...
What sections pertain to out of state purchases?

 

[Ryedan]

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[MorpheusPA]

Lol I'm just messing around, I just like to get a rise out of people.

Were you aware that this is the mark of a verbal abuser as well as several fairly serious personality disorders?

"I was just messing around." = "Your feelings don't matter to me."
"I was just kidding!" = "I wasn't just kidding but it's fun to watch you squirm."
"I didn't mean it." = "I'm sure you'll heal so don't call the police."

IMO I think it's amusing to watch people argue their point until you understand it, no matter how pointless the topic.

How amusing.

Like with my girlfriend, Even if I KNOW SHE IS RIGHT, I will argue that she is wrong, to see how far she will go into proving that she is infact right.

How....amusing.

When If I knew I was right and someone argued that I was wrong I would just say, "Alright you’re irrational, there is no point in me arguing with you" and walk away Lol

See above. Some manners would indicate that you might say, "I'm sorry, I'm not going to change my opinion and don't wish to have this conversation."

So no hard feelings?

How... ...amusing.

 

[Mezrein]

So if 51% of the people vote to make the use of nicotine illegal and punishable by, say 10 years in jail, you'd be OK with that?

Ok we're going to extremist I see. Here's a small list of items with nicotine in them. Sure it's trace amounts in some cases, but it's there

Tomatoes
Potatoes
Eggplant
Teas, green and black, caffeinated or not
Peppers
Cauliflower

This being said, I doubt a nicotine ban would happen.
Just sayin..



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[Vermonster13]

People only care when something impacts their life. If what the government is doing keeps them pointed in a direction other than mine, it's all good. So pick a minority with cash and go crazy leaders of our nation, just don't pick my minority.

 

[bluecat]

So do people living outside of WA have to pay this tax if ordering from a company inside WA? Does a person in WA have to pay this tax if they order from a company in another state?

Yes, no, maybe, probably and heck no even knows.

Sales tax is a consumption tax paid by the consumer. If there is no sale there is no tax. The business that sells the item collects the tax to be paid to the state. The law is changing because of internet sales but no one knows yet how.

If a company has nexus in state, an office located there, also states are saying that even just a salesman/woman located in state, then they need to levy sales tax.

Now even though you do not have to pay sales tax to WA (in this example) most states have something called a sales and use tax. This is typically done on the state return. So say you paid 200 bucks for a provari and you live in Ohio. You won't pay any sales tax to Washington but you should file that you had sales outside the state of ohio and effectively pay sales/use tax on your state individual return. Most states have this.

99% of the population ignores it. If you ever ordered something from Amazon you may have received a letter stating how much you purchased and where it was delivered. This is one of the reasons for internet sales tax reform.

So you may not have to pay WA sales tax... You should be taxed at your state if you don't. Even if you live in Florida.. The form is DR15MO and one can also pay online.

 

[Rossum]

Ok we're going to extremist I see. Here's a small list of items with nicotine in them. Sure it's trace amounts in some cases, but it's there

Tomatoes
Potatoes
Eggplant
Teas, green and black, caffeinated or not
Peppers
Cauliflower

This being said, I doubt a nicotine ban would happen.
Just sayin..

It was a philosophical question, using nicotine as an example, because such a ban is something many of the readers here would object to, and deliberate nicotine "users" are of course, a small minority of the population. So let's rephrase it a bit more pragmatically: Make it a ban on possession of any substance containing more than 1/10th of 1% nicotine (which would exempt all of the above foods). If a majority of the population directly voted for such a ban, would you be OK with that? If not, why not?

 

[Coelli]

it's posts like this that make me want to leave this site,,,,,,it's alienating to say the least,,,,

I wonder how many other liberals see this stuff and never join?

go ahead and divide us,,,,,,,,,,,then you won't have our help defeating these laws.

Sums it up for me too. I think we can agree that ON THIS ISSUE we are united, so let's please keep to how we can work together to fight this. No one's going to jump party lines over this single issue, I'd like to think we all have our reasons for voting the way we do. I doubt that many of us are single issue voters.

As for alienating liberals, the liberals are really the only ones who can pressure legislators to change on this issue. They do not care about someone they know is never going to vote for them anyway. But the more I get called names for voting the way I do, the less I want to have any sort of discourse on it even when the issue is something we can both agree on.

 

[supermarket]

Maybe he's just better informed than you are. Ask the members of CASAA or Bill Godshall where the majority of our opposition is coming from. Ask Berylana while youre at it as well.

Just be prepared for an earful and quite possibly some long held beliefs being shaken to the core.

Ive been active in vaping for the past 5 years as an ex-vendor, a hobbyist and a frequent forum contributor and Ive seen nothing untrue about nostinkies statement.

Perhaps he is better informed on the issue than I am. However, he couldn't have been ANY MORE obvious (not could you) about your political leanings....and whenever you are so obvious , it makes me question your motives.

You don't like democrats? Fine. But don't use an issue like vaping to try and convert people.

The democrat party doesn't have any official stance on vaping. If the majority of people pushing for e-cig taxes and whatnot are democrat, then so be it...but that doesn't make it a democrat issue.

Trying to demonize a political party by using an issue such as this is elementary, and just plain rude.

 

[Mezrein]

No I wouldn't be ok with it of course. I wasn't ok with [edited] becoming legal either, I'm not ok with a lot of what is going on. That's the point I was making. We the people as a nation are not ok with how the government is doing things and it really looks like our voices don't mean anything.


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[Coelli]

Again, even if you are not a Democrat and think Democrats are the harbingers of the end of life as we know it, you probably KNOW some Democrats and should be urging them to sign Berylana's petition.

http://www.change.org/petitions/dem...-science-over-ideology-regarding-e-cigarettes

 

[supermarket]

I very much regret that some posters on this thread have tried to make this a partisan issue. The vaping rights/taxation issue is not going to turn me into a right winger, though I will vote against politicians of any party who come down hard on vaping. In my own very red state, Republicans have come down very hard on tobacco products and I'm certain they are preparing to do the same for vaping.

Exactly.

It is sad that this thread was used, from its inception, to attack a specific political party. Very sad indeed.

It was even more sad when I pointed this out, only to have someone reply to me and basically call me ignorant, since I pointed this out.

Please, for the love of god people, focus on the ISSUE, not bipartisan politics.

Neither political party is going to put any amount of effort into protecting the rights of vapers...you can mark my words on that. NEITHER political party is going to help us. They never have, and never will, especially not on an issue so insignificant to them. Both parties serve their own agendas....and I guarantee you, big tobacco is in BOTH of their pockets....so whatever big tobacco wants, you will see it seep through via both parties.

It is up to US to protect our OWN rights....both as citizens, and as vapers. We must rely on OURSELVES.

 

[supermarket]

No I wouldn't be ok with it of course. I wasn't ok with pot becoming legal either, I'm not ok with a lot of what is going on. That's the point I was making. We the people as a nation are not ok with how the government is doing things and it really looks like our voices don't mean anything.


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Well, the PEOPLE spoke, and they wanted the substance you mentioned to be legalized, or decriminalized in the least...so on that issue at least, it looks like the people's voices ARE being heard.

How can you support the mexican drug cartels? If you support keeping it illegal, that is what you are doing....

anyway, that is an issue for another thread, just had to say that!