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The end of the Provari??? 95% WA state tax!
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It already is - we're fighting the heck out of it in Hawaii - bear in mind that here we have ONE Republican senator in the whole thing. I mention this because the Dems have already announced they're going to do their damnedest to vaping. So we are waiting and seeing what happens in the House.
volcano ecig company had a huge presence at the senate and wam committees - which is why I suggest ensuring every vape shop in the State knows about this and plans to attend.
it isn't going to cost them anything to put a big card on the shop wall or counter stating the dates and times of hearings and committees for their customers to attend too. Email the stores the scientific surveys and the CASAA briefs so they have excellent material to use. Shops - print copies of the same for customers to pick up and use at those same hearings.
It's got to be done on a local level. Talking it out is great to get our ducks in a row. But we have to act in the local arena vs. just here in this forum.
volcano ecig company had a huge presence at the senate and wam committees - which is why I suggest ensuring every vape shop in the State knows about this and plans to attend.
it isn't going to cost them anything to put a big card on the shop wall or counter stating the dates and times of hearings and committees for their customers to attend too. Email the stores the scientific surveys and the CASAA briefs so they have excellent material to use. Shops - print copies of the same for customers to pick up and use at those same hearings.
It's got to be done on a local level. Talking it out is great to get our ducks in a row. But we have to act in the local arena vs. just here in this forum.
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Here's my theory - the right wing (and their associated media) aren't supporting e-cigs because they want us to be healthy and live long lives, they support them because big tobacco has jumped on board the e-cig bandwagon and that's where their money comes from.
The left is getting lobbied (and paid) by big pharma, who sees its profits sinking as people turn to e-cigs as an alternative - and one that works better than what they have to offer.
I suspect that rather than taxing and banning e-cigs, the right will try to regulate (despite their professed hatred of regulation) smaller companies out of business so big tobacco can monopolize the market. They'll be gearing up for that soon.
Just my theory.
Utah is a special case because of the whole "Mormon" thing which overrides everything else. Hell, they'd outlaw caffeine if they could, so you can't put Utah in the rest of the "right wing" argument because they are their own "special breed".
This is not a partisan issue...This is a we need more money issue. State coffers are on the verge of bankruptcy and they are trying to get as much money as possible. It's the same reason states are bringing up the whole internet sales thing. They see threats to their income stream and as such are trying to shore it up.
The 46 member states are seeing 10 Billion in Tobacco Settlement Money dry up. The MSA money is based on tobacco sales. So as e-cig money starts impacting tobacco sales, it is impacting settlement money and existing tobacco tax income.
Follow the money boys and girls. And pray that no-one gets a hair up their hind end and classify e-cigs as smoking cessation devices. Then you'll pay even MORE......(unless you are on Medicare. It appears I can get my own personal golf cart billed to medicare if a doctor says I need it....)
It perplexes me as to why people vote at all. They're all pigs and liars. Every last one of them.
I just got an e-mail from the Washington Vapers Advocacy Network. Here's what it said in part.
"Even worse, an amendment has been introduced that would tax e-cigarettes by nicotine concentration. Washington Legislators are proposing a $28 tax on a 15 ml bottle of 2.4% nicotine juice.
If this amendment passes, a 30 ML bottle of 2.4% liquid would taxed at an OUTRAGEOUS $57.60. No, were not kidding. Its that bad."
"Even worse, an amendment has been introduced that would tax e-cigarettes by nicotine concentration. Washington Legislators are proposing a $28 tax on a 15 ml bottle of 2.4% nicotine juice.
If this amendment passes, a 30 ML bottle of 2.4% liquid would taxed at an OUTRAGEOUS $57.60. No, were not kidding. Its that bad."
From the OP: I would like to think that Mount Baker and Provape will not allow themselves to run out of business because of such an outrageous tax. My hope is that they will move to a different state if this thing happens. Both are extremely successful companies in the industry, especially Provape.
For what it's worth, with how much I love my Provari now, even after a 95% tax on a Provari, I would still pay it. Call me crazy, but the device is priceless. As far as Mount Baker goes, I think I'm just going to stock up on a good 2000-4000 ML of juice before the tax goes into effect. Call me crazy, fine.
And I dilute my juice with distilled water. It'll last a while. When that runs out, I'll either have moved, or I will start doing some DIY work on my own juices. Maybe get a PO box in Idaho if that's even legal since I live in Spokane. Of those three things, I think I'll be okay as far as the tax goes. I have my Provari, I have my tanks and I have my rebuild supplies. Also, us Washington vapers may consider looking into rebuildables so that way we don't have to pay the price for atomizers. Get your gear now, stock up on juice and start researching DIY and we'll be okay.
Thanks so much everyone for all your replies and support. I'm very happy that we are doing our best to stop this thing, and even if we fail, I'll remember that you tried
For what it's worth, with how much I love my Provari now, even after a 95% tax on a Provari, I would still pay it. Call me crazy, but the device is priceless. As far as Mount Baker goes, I think I'm just going to stock up on a good 2000-4000 ML of juice before the tax goes into effect. Call me crazy, fine.
And I dilute my juice with distilled water. It'll last a while. When that runs out, I'll either have moved, or I will start doing some DIY work on my own juices. Maybe get a PO box in Idaho if that's even legal since I live in Spokane. Of those three things, I think I'll be okay as far as the tax goes. I have my Provari, I have my tanks and I have my rebuild supplies. Also, us Washington vapers may consider looking into rebuildables so that way we don't have to pay the price for atomizers. Get your gear now, stock up on juice and start researching DIY and we'll be okay.
Thanks so much everyone for all your replies and support. I'm very happy that we are doing our best to stop this thing, and even if we fail, I'll remember that you tried
After vapers, who will they rob next is the question nonvapers should be asking themselves.
Just sharing this again, I can't believe only 197 people have signed it so far.
Petitioning Democratic Party Strategists
Hold Democrats to "Science over Ideology" regarding e-cigarettes
http://www.change.org/petitions/dem...-science-over-ideology-regarding-e-cigarettes
Petitioning Democratic Party Strategists
Hold Democrats to "Science over Ideology" regarding e-cigarettes
http://www.change.org/petitions/dem...-science-over-ideology-regarding-e-cigarettes
If this passes, I'm sure the idiots in the idaho senate (where I live) will try to do the same thing. This is ridiculous!
Yes if it passes I see a lot more joining the band wagon and putting the tax on e cigs and related devices...sucks down right illegal to hit E cigs and not the regular cigs...
Wow...just....wow. That makes it seem like it is not about money at all. It seems that rather than ban it, they want to make it "financially nonviable". Considering a 30ml from Mt Baker is currently $7.50, that would make the new total $65.10 or just over an 860% markup!!! No one is going to pay that any more than someone would pay $65 for a SINGLE PACK of smokes...and they know it.
Probably not I would bet. Remember, they act like they give a fat rats behind. But in actuality, when people get sick, the pharmacuticals make money. Or when forced to use pharmacutical smoking cessation then they make money. Its a power grab. So anyone out there that thinks they care about the little people take off the rainbow shades and take a good friggin look. I started smelling the coffee long ago.
The smug .... heads who are sitting back and just throwing our freedoms under the bus, wait til their oxes start getting gored. See people don't realize there is a slippery slope in all of this.
I have 708 ml of mount baker in my cart right now. 130 bucks worth before the coupon code. Ordering it on friday when I get paid. The first of many orders before this tax thing hits
Perhaps, perhaps not. Texas is a pretty business friendly state. We have an 8.25% sales tax on everything except groceries but no income tax and relatively low property taxes. Let say most states do add draconian tax laws against ecigs, but TX and FL add very small say 5%. Which states do you think will ultimately make the most money? TX and FL will because ALL of the ecig business will either close their doors or move to one of those states. So the states with the draconian taxes are going to find themselves filing for bankruptcy while the smart states will have full coffers. For the most part it is already this way. TX and FL and a few other states with sensible tax rates have growing economies while those that keep increasing their taxes keep finding less and less money available to tax.
To paraphrase Leia from the original Star Wars movie - "The more you tighten your grip, the more"...businesses..."will slip through your fingers".
They will ban online sales just like they did with cigs to secure the taxes. Only people in bordering states or friends willing to ship from such states and of course residents would get a deal.
I think it would be $7.50+75%+$28 which would be $41.12. I'm not really sure how it would work, but either way it's outrageously ridiculous.
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