The FDA tobacco regulations already enacted

[trying]

vaping Armageddon has been delayed at least 4 years and hopefully indefinitely.
But FDA already has some tobacco regulations that have already been enacted.

Most notable is the tobacco market has been frozen at August 8, 2016
I am not complaining because it is preferable to what we were facing but 3 years from now we might be wishing for improvements that are now banned. I believe that even includes the batteries.

 

[bwh79]

Most notable is the tobacco market has been frozen at August 8, 2016

Has it, though? It's been almost a year, now, and it seems like we're still seeing new products almost daily...

 

[trying]

Some companies rushed what were basically prototypes into limited sales to beat the deadline and then brought them out later as production geared up.
No doubt some have simply brought out new designs and ignored the regulations

 

[Bunnykiller]

a simple name change will fix everything....
was mod, now its a hi wattage low voltage resistor checking device
was atty, now its a low voltage high wattage wire wound resistor holding device

 

[Stubby]

a simple name change will fix everything....
was mod, now its a hi wattage low voltage resistor checking device
was atty, now its a low voltage high wattage wire wound resistor holding device

It is a really bad idea to try and get sneaky. There is little worse you could do. Eventually it will come to light, and then the antis will have a field day demonizing the industry. The damage to the public excepting vaping as legitimate can get seriously set back by these types of juvenile antics.

 

[Bunnykiller]

perception is all a matter of the view point...
for example... hammer, a device used to insert nails into an object with multiple impacts... or a device used to split open thumbs

 

[stols001]

Yes, to be fair I'm not sure I want to join the "incense pipe" folks, and there's no need for that. Yet. I feel like I have to qualify everything now!

Anna

 

[retired1]

a simple name change will fix everything....
was mod, now its a hi wattage low voltage resistor checking device
was atty, now its a low voltage high wattage wire wound resistor holding device

The name of the device is irrelevant. Everyone forgets that one little phrase that catches all. Intended use.

It is a really bad idea to try and get sneaky. There is little worse you could do. Eventually it will come to light, and then the antis will have a field day demonizing the industry. The damage to the public excepting vaping as legitimate can get seriously set back by these types of juvenile antics.

Changing the name doesn't do a thing. The FDA already thought of that with their intended use clause.

 

[trying]

The regulation that really hurt tobacco stores was the one that prevented them from mixing their own E-liquids.

 

[Rossum]

The regulation that really hurt tobacco stores was the one that prevented them from mixing their own E-liquids.

Wait, is there anything that currently prevents them from doing so?

My understanding is that they have to register, listing their ingredients, and recipes are frozen, but I don't think they're actually precluded from making house juice at this point, are they?

 

[trying]

Register and comply with regulations. It sounds simple but the standards are very high, you almost need a clean room and drug level manufacturing equipment

 

[zoiDman]

Register and comply with regulations. It sounds simple but the standards are very high, you almost need a clean room and drug level manufacturing equipment

Do you have a Link to some FDA Guidance regarding those Standards and Equipment Requirements?

I was Unaware they were so Stringent.

 

[trying]

No link, something I was told.

 

[motordude]

No link, something I was told.

I think someone lied to you.

 

[Eskie]

It's impossible to predict an agency's enforcement plan without being inside, but as even under the more zealous executive leadership before Gottlieb not much action outside of age verification occurred, I would not expect a big change in policy, especially when the goal is innovation for harm reduction. Tough to do that without innovating with new products. The underage thing will continue to be pursued, and I wouldn't be surprised at early steps to alter juice labeling to not appeal to underage users. Then the save the children crowd will be happy and more serious work can go into reasonable paths for product approvals for the new extension in time. I don't see customs grabbing vape gear at this point, and retailers in the US have not experienced an issue obtaining new vape products to date. As the goal here is encouraging vaping as an alternative to combustible tobacco, aggressive enforcement of anything other that age restrictions would be counterproductive.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Register and comply with regulations. It sounds simple but the standards are very high, you almost need a clean room and drug level manufacturing equipment

Basically the same as operating a food manufacturing company.

Clean work areas
Standardization, proper labels, approved ingredients.



I stopped buying premade juice because I do not trust the people mixing it.
I do not trust that they wash their hands, work in a dust-free area or use quality ingredients.
There is no way to be safe.
Kitchen counter work areas are great for DIY.
Not for running a juice business.

 

[zoiDman]

No link, something I was told.

Gotcha.

Sometimes things can become Exaggerated the more times they are told. And sometimes the person that Tells you something believes that it is True, but that might Not be the case.

The FDA has been Notorious about Not providing Clear Guidance/Standards when it comes to what a Manufacture Can and Can Not do with regards to e-Liquids. And many times People who make e-Liquids take things on themselves to the "N"th degree because they Don't Know what the FDA actually requires.

 

[Robino1]

No link, something I was told.

At this point and time, I would not consider anything as gospel unless there is a link to back up what a person asserts something is true.

 

[DaveP]

My only concern is what happens to nic concentrate. I have enough 100mg/ml to last me about 9 years, but probably need more.

The 18650 batteries we use are multi-purpose and will still be available. Flavor concentrates are probably not in danger unless they contain WTA. Cotton, Rayon, Silica, and spooled coil wire are multiple intended use products.

Ecig mods may undergo limitations and restrictions. Stock up as you find them on sale. Electronics, fire switches, USB ports, internal batteries, and 510 connectors can fail in a few years.

 

[Aus11]

Has it, though? It's been almost a year, now, and it seems like we're still seeing new products almost daily...

Smok has announced:
X-Baby
Priv V8kit
Procolor mod
Osub 220 King kit
X8 Stick

all in the past 2-3 weeks lol