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[Territoo]

Not sure why you would think seceding from the union would be unconstitutional? ALL States are sovereign, having their own constitution, so to speak. Joining the 'union' which is the 'United States" is all voluntary. Each is free to govern in its own way by their own laws. Which is why the current president is insistent that they each lead their own in this virus fight.

It is illegal, and was so during the civil war.

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

"In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede"





So Texas (or any other state) cannot legally secede. However, Texas does have one option that other states do not. It can divide into 5 separate states. This is because, unlike other states, it was never a colony or a territory, but an independent nation and joined by treaty.

 

[Rossum]

Not sure why you would think seceding from the union would be unconstitutional?

Well, Abraham Lincoln thought it was unconstitutional.

But speaking of Texas:
Texas governor prepares executive order setting guidelines to reopen businesses
Abbott held a press conference Friday to announce a forthcoming executive order that sets guidelines for how businesses can begin to reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic. “Next week, I will be providing an executive order talking about what will be done in Texas about reopening Texas businesses,” Abbott said Friday, saying economic activity can resume “in a way that will be safe for that economic revitalization.” “We will focus on protecting lives while restoring livelihoods. We can and we must do this,” said Abbott.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

It is illegal, and was so during the civil war.

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

"In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the Court held that individual states could not unilaterally secede from the Union and that the acts of the insurgent Texas Legislature — even if ratified by a majority of Texans — were "absolutely null."

If there were any doubt remaining after that, late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest more than a century later with his response to a letter from a screenwriter in 2006 asking if there is a legal basis for secession.

“The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede"





So Texas (or any other state) cannot legally secede. However, Texas does have one option that other states do not. It can divide into 5 separate states. This is because, unlike other states, it was never a colony or a territory, but an independent nation and joined by treaty.

So then you are saying that 4 of the 5 possible states would not be in the "Union" of the US?

 

[Territoo]

So then you are saying that 4 of the 5 possible states would not be in the "Union" of the US?

No, they would all be part of the Union. Just think of it as having 5 States of Texas. For example, Texas, West Texas, Texas Panhandle, East Texas, and Gulf Coast Texas, each with their own Capitol.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

No, they would all be part of the Union. Just think of it as having 5 States of Texas. For example, Texas, West Texas, Texas Panhandle, East Texas, and Gulf Coast Texas, each with their own Capitol.

What a nightmare that would be.

Well, Abraham Lincoln thought it was unconstitutional.

But speaking of Texas:
Texas governor prepares executive order setting guidelines to reopen businesses
Abbott held a press conference Friday to announce a forthcoming executive order that sets guidelines for how businesses can begin to reopen amid the coronavirus pandemic. “Next week, I will be providing an executive order talking about what will be done in Texas about reopening Texas businesses,” Abbott said Friday, saying economic activity can resume “in a way that will be safe for that economic revitalization.” “We will focus on protecting lives while restoring livelihoods. We can and we must do this,” said Abbott.

Well of course he did, but for much different reasons than todays problems tho.

 

[Territoo]

What a nightmare that would be.

If it hasn't by now, it's probably not ever going to happen. It gets discussed every once in a while, especially when the idea of 10 Senate votes instead of 2 sounds nice.

 

[Detroit Doug]

There are rats everywhere. The idea that they only inhabit one part of the house is an illusion they like to create. The enemy has infiltrated deeply and they are a cunning, intelligent bunch.

A very good observation.

To add:
There are 51 species of rats.
There are 17 species of weasels.
There are 4500 species of cockroaches.

We're going to have our hands full.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Really wish I though I was wrong on this but life is the greatest teacher. Nothing is free, ever. There is always a cost of some sort whether it is financial, or moral or physical. Especially when it a government entity making the promises.

Younger generations have this false sense of entitlement. I blame the parents mostly. I guess its just easier for the parents to allow the tv to guide their kids since most have to work 2 jobs just to get by.

Entitlement is not limited to the young. Check out policy statements, position papers and candidate support by the AARP, of which I remain not a member.

 

[Opinionated]

So am I understanding correctly, that deeming has now been postponed until September?

E-Cigarette Deadline Extended Amid COVID-19 Pandemic - Law360

 

[DaveP]

The thing that gets me is here in Kalifornia they are arresting people for not wearing masks but are letting criminals out of jail.

That's probably because of the risk of visitors to the prisons and jails passing the virus on to the prison employees and to the prisoners. Stopping visitation for a period would suffice. Visit by mail and telephone like the rest of the country.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

So am I understanding correctly, that deeming has now been postponed until September?

E-Cigarette Deadline Extended Amid COVID-19 Pandemic - Law360

What that Law360 article failed to mention is that Maryland US District Court Judge Paul Grimm would grant the deadline extension if the case is remanded to his court from the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals (where the case currently resides). https://vaportechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/D.-Md.-Indicative-Ruling-4-3-2020.pdf

As far as I know, this hasn't yet happened. At least I can't find any evidence that it has happened yet.

 

[englishmick]

That's probably because of the risk of visitors to the prisons and jails passing the virus on to the prison employees and to the prisoners. Stopping visitation for a period would suffice. Visit by mail.

I believe visitation has been closed down for quite a while now.

They gave other reasons for their actions. Staff can pick up the virus outside and bring it in, that's pretty much guaranteed to happen. It will spread in prisons like it has in nursing homes, which will put all the staff at risk as well as the prisoners. And flood the health care resources. Infected staff go home to their families. They believe reducing the occupancy will make it easier to control spread of the virus, and easier to isolate people who do get infected.

I have no idea how many staff and prisoner lives will be saved by releasing or not locking up non-violent offenders. I read yesterday that one released prisoner murdered someone. How do you balance that against the lives of an unknown number of prison staff. I can see why the staff are eager to better their chances.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I read yesterday that one released prisoner murdered someone.

I wonder what s/he was in for initially. Unpaid parking tickets?

 

[Don29palms]

That's probably because of the risk of visitors to the prisons and jails passing the virus on to the prison employees and to the prisoners. Stopping visitation for a period would suffice. Visit by mail and telephone like the rest of the country.

I think you misunderstood. They are letting criminals out of jail they say because of wuhan virus but if you're out in public and don't have on a mask they put you in jail.

 

[Opinionated]

What that Law360 article failed to mention is that Maryland US District Court Judge Paul Grimm would grant a the deadline extension if the case is remanded to his court from the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals (where the case currently resides). https://vaportechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/D.-Md.-Indicative-Ruling-4-3-2020.pdf

As far as I know, this hasn't yet happened. At least I can't find any evidence that it has happened yet.

Well and that's what I was thinking but then I came across this article and was all, may be I misunderstood..

Thanks for the clarity. appreciate it!

We are fairly tight on funds right now but I need to get my husband some more disposable pods before the deadline, as much as I can manage, and am kind of hopeful on the extension as a result, but I may have to order just a few boxes now and wait to see for more, that way my rear end is covered, as much as is possible anyway.

Vaporl has them for 3 dollars a box, but it's Hong Kong warehouse only and I figure they won't reach our shores in time without an extension, so 7 dollars a box it is!

 

[englishmick]

I wonder what s/he was in for initially. Unpaid parking tickets?

possession of ...... and drug paraphernalia,

He had a long criminal record though.

 

[JCinFLA]

Vaporl has them for 3 dollars a box, but it's Hong Kong warehouse only and I figure they won't reach our shores in time without an extension, so 7 dollars a box it is!

Please PM me.

 

[Rossum]

So am I understanding correctly, that deeming has now been postponed until September?

E-Cigarette Deadline Extended Amid COVID-19 Pandemic - Law360

Much of the Deeming is already in force, although not being enforced very vigorously. What this may delay is the PMTA deadline.

 

[Opinionated]

Much of the Deeming is already in force, although not being enforced very vigorously. What this may delay is the PMTA deadline.

It's my understanding that the pmta deadline is when anything without a pmta application submitted becomes illegal to be sold within the U.S., and the date 99.9% of all vape shops will be forced to close as it will be illegal to sell 99.9% of all vape products on the market.

Understandably most shops are selling mods that were marketed after 8/16, but products needing to have a pmta application submitted in order to be sold in the U.S. will definitively change the leniency we see today..

 

[440BB]

I don't think extending the PMTA deadline will help the b&m vape shops as much as it would under other circumstances. Many are closed and I expect most are losing money at this point, yet when businesses start re-opening foot traffic will be much lower than previously for some time. It could take months to become profitable, all under the cloud of the FDA and bans. Better to have only an internet storefront at this point - the virus may have bought you some quality time!