The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

[stols001]

Uh, the way things are these days, offering up access to very young girls to discuss unicorn parts (let alone emissions) might get you in trouble if taken the wrong way. Just sayin'

Unicorns emit like shooting stars, didn't you know? They emit them from their hooves as the joyous young virginal child rides on the unicorn's back going "Shooting stars, I can have as many wishes as I like."

So, I will collect the meteors and make nic out of that.

It may take ANOTHER unicorn/girl meeting, and the girl wishes all meteors were made of 100% nicotine, and we are golden.

Is that wholesome enough?
Anna

 

[Doffy]

i think unicorn nicotine was the synthetic stuff

so many promises... immunity from regulators, smoother...

was just nic

 

[ENAUD]

Unicorns emit like shooting stars, didn't you know? They emit them from their hooves as the joyous young virginal child rides on the unicorn's back going "Shooting stars, I can have as many wishes as I like."

So, I will collect the meteors and make nic out of that.

It may take ANOTHER unicorn/girl meeting, and the girl wishes all meteors were made of 100% nicotine, and we are golden.

Is that wholesome enough?
Anna

In my world the unicorns shoot rainbow colored flames out of their anus, and the condensate from those flames is liberal tears...ah...so salty

 

[Ceejay0875]

In my world the unicorns shoot rainbow colored flames out of their anus, and the condensate from those flames is liberal tears...ah...so salty

Guess I should stop adding liberal tears to my morning coffee...

 

[mightymen]

Durbin tells FDA chief to 'stop this vaping epidemic' or resign

Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.), the No. 2 Senate Democrat, sent the warning to acting FDA Commissioner Ned Sharpless, telling him to take “decisive” action in the next 10 days to properly regulate e-cigarettes or step down as head of the agency.

 

[Katdarling]

Takeaways:

In his latest letter, Durbin called for the agency to immediately ban all e-cigarette flavors other than tobacco, as well as to immediately ban all e-cigarette devices that have not been approved for sale by the FDA, and ensure their immediate removal from stores nationwide.

Still, officials say it’s unclear what is causing the illnesses, but many cases appear to involve vape products containing THC, a compound found in marijuana. Some patients also reported using nicotine vapes.

The nicotine vaping industry has strongly backed the assertion that black market THC products are to blame. According to Durbin though, there’s no distinguishing nicotine vapes and tobacco vapes.

 

[JCinFLA]

you know, with the coming deadline, some companies may no longer be trustworthy.
there may be internal problems.
i can see boards of directors fighting about when to cut n run.

I don't think any of that applies with epuffstore though. Plenty of us have placed orders, had our items shipped in a timely manner, and received exactly what we ordered.

I think they're legit but not your everyday online vape shop - slow.

From what I could tell by their website, and how low down they were in Google search results, when I first posted about their Clearance deals on Aug. 11th or 12th in the Low Budget Shinyitis thread...I think they're just a very small, probably family run business. IMO, they've just gotten swamped with all the orders that are coming in from ECF members since then.

I placed my order with them at 5:19PM Sunday, Aug. 11th. I got an immediate order confirmation email, a shipment notification email at 10:41AM Tuesday, the 13th, and received my items on Thursday the 15th. That was a very fast turnaround, IMO.

 

[Katdarling]

Dr. F., the voice of reason:



The emotional and irrational hysteria in the US about the “vaping-related” (or cannabis-related?) lung disease that goes far beyond confirmation bias

 

[kross8]

Ok..maybe just me being picky.. But no way do I want an oily product in my vape.

This guy was putting vitamin E in as a health gimmick

Vape Cart Additive Makers Pull Products as Others Go Dark

 

[Uncle]

Dr. F., the voice of reason:

The emotional and irrational hysteria in the US about the “vaping-related” (or ........-related?) lung disease that goes far beyond confirmation bias

Yes - One of many voices of reason, however who is actually making sure that this voice is heard, especially that the media is also receiving this information to correct and/or give the other side to quell all the misleading "hysteria" about "Vaping related" Products being report in snippets by all the media . . . Why is he not being interviewed or that there is no special report/investigation by reporters/TV News stations/News papers (Local & National) that is not pushed by anti's to ban vaping across the board . . .

BTW: Who Vapes E-Liquids that contain "Oil" products?
Not I . . . Just Sayin' . . .

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[DavidOck]

Still, officials say it’s unclear what is causing the illnesses, but many cases appear to involve vape products containing ..., a compound found in .......... Some patients also reported using nicotine vapes.

And, of course, in those places where other stuff is still illegal, EVERYone is going to admit to it. Uh huh.

 

[sofarsogood]

I live in Michigan. I think the governor and her public health boss have blundered, but may be they think they have nothing to lose. Michigan probably has a hundred

Ok..maybe just me being picky.. But no way do I want an oily product in my vape.

This guy was putting vitamin E in as a health gimmick

Vape Cart Additive Makers Pull Products as Others Go Dark

Nice find. Now which of these did the damage? Why haven't the authorities talked about these leads. The only eliquid ingrediants I've ever heard discussed are the usual ones.

 

[classwife]

BTW: Who Vapes E-Liquids that contain "Oil" products?

People that don't know better.

 

[Mowgli]

And here I thought the elves in the lab wore nothing but hairnets.
I started with Wizard labs, since wizards are well qualified to mix up a brew or two.

Sorcerers concoct better brew than their apprentices do for sure.
Thanks Uncle Albert!

 

[440BB]

People that don't know better.

That got me to thinking how little people outside our community know about the things they might try.

It's sad that we've been forced to spend so much energy fighting to survive, when without those attacks we could have been proactively educating the public about what makes a safe ecig. In the early days many of us were ambassadors to the curious public, until they were brainwashed.

By now most people could have been aware that ecigs never use oil and why. Instead, special interests have people convinced ecigs are the problem and they aren't receptive to the simple facts, even in a time of crisis.

This could have been headed off for the most part. Young thrill seekers will always do dumb things but at least they'd be informed about this bad choice.

 

[classwife]

That got me to thinking how little people outside our community know about the things they might try.

It's sad that we've been forced to spend so much energy fighting to survive, when without those attacks we could have been proactively educating the public about what makes a safe ecig. In the early days many of us were ambassadors to the curious public, until they were brainwashed.

By now most people could have been aware that ecigs never use oil and why. Instead, special interests have people convinced ecigs are the problem and they aren't receptive to the simple facts, even in a time of crisis.

This could have been headed off for the most part. Young thrill seekers will always do dumb things but at least they'd be informed about this bad choice.

People just don't know.
We call it vaping. People that use 'other stuff' call it Vaping.
Both groups know the difference - the general public does not.

The worrisome part to me is the general public - and now the users of "other stuff" not being informed that vaping oils is BAD like WE know vaping oil is bad.
So, you have start up companies (hopefully) not knowing better making a cutter with an oil - take the Vitamin E...it's good for you right ? So...let's cut our stuff with that. (Seems a couple of those have suddenly vanished from the web...as you can imagine they would in light of what's happening.)
Then you have someone that hears you can Vape the three letter stuff - Hey ! I have some of that oil for my painful elbow...I'll Vape that...Not knowing there is a HUGE difference of carrier base between what is meant for ingestion/topical and what is for inhalation.
NOOOOOO.

People just don't know.
Remember the guy a few months back here that was asking if he could use cooking oil for his vape ?
Good grief.
People just don't know.

Now...it's all being jumbled up as just Vaping and the General Public has no clue.

...and I have totally lost my train of thought with frustration.

People aren't being educated to know.

 

[stols001]

I'm not sure how much it would have mattered what we did in the beginning. Vaping has become popular and the government is backing the wrong horse. They would have been far better off taxing it but it's hard to tax when a large part of the structure of it actually comes directly from China, etc.

I mean not all. But a fair amount. Plus, big tobacco is ANGRY and that means much money in many pockets.
Anna

 

[kross8]

I live in Michigan. I think the governor and her public health boss have blundered, but may be they think they have nothing to lose. Michigan probably has a hundred

Nice find. Now which of these did the damage? Why haven't the authorities talked about these leads. The only eliquid ingrediants I've ever heard discussed are the usual ones.

When we see gimmicky stuff like adding vitamin E,, we need to ask our self "did he send the product to a third party lab for testing of any kind?". Otherwise you are at the mercy of his braincells----- avg American has IQ of 98! I'm not willing to take the chance on these gimmicks

 

[Bronze]

That got me to thinking how little people outside our community know about the things they might try.

There are plenty inside of the vaping community too. There are vape shop owners who have no clue their store is about to be regulated out of business.

 

[Uncle]

This could have been headed off for the most part. Young thrill seekers will always do dumb things but at least they'd be informed about this bad choice.

SO AGREE . . . Now - I know - I may be in the minority here . . . But - IMHO - over the past few years, it was bad enough when the 'Thrill Seekers" (usually someone trying to prove themselves or to the people around them) started modifying their equipment to be bigger and more powerful (so did manufactures to meet these demands, seriously who really NEEDS a mod that holds/runs off of 2 or 3 - 18650/27000 batteries or vape at such high Volts/Watts) . . . Then they also started all these "Cloud" competitions at B&M Stores and Vape meets, especially to see who could inhale more/exhale the biggest-furthest/longest timed clouds of vapor then the other person . . . Top that off with the rise of "sub-ohm'ing" -- WTH . . . Matter of fact, I personally saw a number of people who entered these competitions experiencing breathing problems (whether or not they had asthma/emphysema/COPD - like myself) AND - All to prove what ? ? ? As a spectator of this FAD, I (and some others, as I found out) actually had to leave places because it was so difficult to breath, it was so overtaken by all the vapor (no wonder the general public is concerned with second hand vapor, it looked just like any placed that was filled with "Analog - Smokers") . . . So with all the hype and constant encouragement/admiration from others in the "Vaping World" - why wouldn't younger people want to take up any of these FAD's, especially if they could get away with it (and/or to be popular and a leader in the in-crowd / "like" on social media) . . . "We" did the same thing when we started smoking analog cigarettes and/or that other "Stuff" back in the day when we were younger too . . . Just a personal opinion/thought, something to think about - so no "Flame" war needed here . . .

People just don't know.
We call it vaping. People that use 'other stuff' call it Vaping.
Both groups know the difference - the general public does not.

AGREED . . . However, IMHO - it's not just educating people about what "Vaping" actually is, for, and what can/can't - should/shouldn't be inhaled using any e-cig equipment . . . I truly think "We" NEED to also hold some of the "manufactures" to task when it comes to creating new products today and promoting the use of both products in their equipment too . . . Just Sayin' . . .


BTW: Just Google - "Vaping E cig for CBD " / "CBD PODs" / "Compatable CBD PODs" - and see what you come up with . . .
(Ya' know the initials - ECF censors din't like them . . . )

There are plenty inside of the vaping community too. There are vape shop owners who have no clue their store is about to be regulated out of business.

I would agree with "You" too . . . However, a majority of the B&M that sell Vaping equipment & E-Liquid around here open as mainly a "Head Shop" with only a few items intended strictly for use by people hoping to stop smoking . . . SO - Do they really care . . . Matter of fact, a number of owner/sales people I encountered at these establishments couldn't even answer the basic questions that most newbies might ask (one owner I talked to didn't even know what a basic testing atomizer was and tried as they might, wanted to sale me a sub-ohm tank instead)- a number of them didn't even have a basic cig-a-like or MOD available for people just starting out. Most of the time, I saw them push people towards the most expensive huge mod in their showcases. AND - The equipment they stock (beside Bongs and Hookas and now CBD < that oil stuff ) was definitely over priced . . . Just Sayin' . . .



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