The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?

[zoiDman]

There are real single issue voters. Abortion, guns, and health care are issues that seem to fall into that category. I doubt if vaping would swing many voters, especially as it seems to be a rare bipartisan issue. I guess it might tip the scales for someone who was on the fence about who to vote for.

Probably not a worthwhile calculation for a politician though. To sign the bill or veto it. Gain or lose a handful or soccer moms, or a handful of vapers.

Sure... Something like Abortion or Firearms or Heath Care (in Any order) can be what gets people to Vote in Large Numbers.

But once again, Karl Rove would argue that since e-Cigarettes can't Flip a Significant amount of People, and since (as you mentioned) e-Cigarette use is Bi-Partisan, then just Leave It Alone as long as e-Cigarette Policy is basically aligned with what your Base Wants.

 

[rosesense]

It amazes me that they can justify a bill by talking about the recent illnesses due to thc carts, then not tax the thc, legal or illegal. I think that a lot of the public is strange if they don't see how illogical that is.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

The "public" does not know it's a (illegal or not) THC thing, all they know is it's a "vaping" thing. At least with anyone I've discussed it with. They had no clue.

 

[Don29palms]

It amazes me that they can justify a bill by talking about the recent illnesses due to thc carts, then not tax the thc, legal or illegal. I think that a lot of the public is strange if they don't see how illogical that is.

Not necessarily strange. Most people don't know what vaping is. The mainstream media and the politicians are uninformed and dishonest about it.

 

[Eskie]

That's the way I understand it too.

By the milligram, to the tune for $2780 / liter of 100 mg.

Now put that in perspective. A liter lasts me four years. So that works out to ~$13 per week.

But why pay it if you don't have to?

It will be dang difficult to tax something that you already own.

But is Wizard or Heartland or any of them really going to have a viable business model when their $50 per liter bottle of nic is now $5,000?

It amazes me that they can justify a bill by talking about the recent illnesses due to thc carts, then not tax the thc, legal or illegal. I think that a lot of the public is strange if they don't see how illogical that is.

Cannabis is taxed and licenses expensive to obtain and maintain in states where use is legal, particularly recreational use. In NY, medical use regarded as "compassionate care" carries a gross excise tax of 7%. In CO there's a sales tax of 15% (most recent numbers I think) and a 15% excise tax. These are CO most recent revenue on Cannabis

CO Marijuana Taxes, Licenses, and Fee Revenue

Over a billion dollars collected in all just for CO since legalization kicked in (I think the early numbers are from medical use, the later once recreational was added too).

It's why there's still an active black market in those states as the "legal" stuff may just be too expensive to buy.

Given it's still illegal on a federal level, they can't exactly tax that through Congress. Yet.

Damn, that didn't work. OK, screenshot of table

 

[rosesense]

But is Wizard or Heartland or any of them really going to have a viable business model when their $50 per liter bottle of nic is now $5,000?



Cannabis is taxed and licenses expensive to obtain and maintain in states where use is legal, particularly recreational use. In NY, medical use regarded as "compassionate care" carries a gross excise tax of 7%. In CO there's a sales tax of 15% (most recent numbers I think) and a 15% excise tax. These are CO most recent revenue on Cannabis

CO Marijuana Taxes, Licenses, and Fee Revenue

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Over a billion dollars collected in all just for CO since legalization kicked in (I think the early numbers are from medical use, the later once recreational was added too).

It's why there's still an active black market in those states as the "legal" stuff may just be too expensive to buy.

Given it's still illegal on a federal level, they can't exactly tax that through Congress. Yet.

Damn, that didn't work. OK, screenshot of table

I understand that, I am from WA and was in the 'biz'. My point is he used that statement in a hearing saying it was thc carts that caused illnesses and then didn't mention anything about taxing thc, only nicotine. That is stupid and illogical to me. Would have made more sense to say due to the recent illnesses, need to tax vape products.

 

[Bronze]

Once again, nothing the govt does adds up. On one hand, there are Deeming regs that (although unclear) appear to have the ability to effectively ban nic sales to consumers. On the other hand, the congress is preparing to tax the hell out of nic sold to consumers. It's like shooting a dead horse.

 

[Rossum]

The "public" does not know it's a (illegal or not) THC thing, all they know is it's a "vaping" thing. At least with anyone I've discussed it with. They had no clue.

It's almost as if they've been intentionally mis-informed.

 

[Rossum]

Once again, nothing the govt does adds up. On one hand, there are Deeming regs that (although unclear) appear to have the ability to effectively ban nic sales to consumers. On the other hand, the congress is preparing to tax the hell out of nic sold to consumers. It's like shooting a dead horse.

What if all of BT's PMTAs are approved? Then the horse will only be lame, not dead. BT will be happy, and so will the politicians because they won't be losing tax dollars to vaping anymore.

 

[Bronze]

What if all of BT's PMTAs are approved? Then the horse will only be lame, not dead. BT will be happy, and so will the politicians because they won't be losing tax dollars to vaping anymore.

Of course that's what this is about. Always has been.

BTW, I saw an ambulance chaser ad last night looking for recruits to go after Juul.

 

[Don29palms]

Of course that's what this is about. Always has been.

BTW, I saw an ambulance chaser ad last night looking for recruits to go after Juul.

There's a couple different ones of those ads going on here too. They're saying Juul was knowingly targeting minors in their marketing.

 

[MikeE3]

Trump knows that he would lose even more votes from the antz if he went against it so I don't see that tactic working, sorry.

I say Trump would sign it ... he's a big on anti-smoking and anti-alcohol. Claims he's never 'done' either and raised his children the same way.

 

[Rossum]

I say Trump would sign it ... he's a big on anti-smoking and anti-alcohol. Claims he's never 'done' either and raised his children the same way.

It's one thing to raise your children that way. Neither of mine (both now in the twenties) smoke, vape, or drink much at all. But it's an entirely different thing to prohibit, by force of law, other people from living as they wish. I am not certain, but I think he understands the difference.

 

[Bronze]

I say Trump would sign it ... he's a big on anti-smoking and anti-alcohol. Claims he's never 'done' either and raised his children the same way.

If someone had presented his late brother (who he admits he admired) with an alternative form of alcohol that was 95% less harmful I'm sure Trump would have wanted that product available. If Trump signs a hard hitting flavor ban I believe it will be out of ignorance. And the people around him (Azar) are the ones he gets almost all of his advice from. I certainly don't see Trump doing his own research into vaping. Not when he has so many other issues on his plate. Vaping just wont get his personal attention. So as it relates to Trump, his advisers have the power. I still go back to his relentless pursuit of getting "Right to Try" legislation. I find this legislation kind of accomplishing the same thing vaping accomplishes. I just hope he has some vaping advocates get his undivided attention before he signs off on any flavor ban. Not that it makes any difference with May Deeming looming.

 

[DaveP]

Vaping away on a battery charged by solar panels on the roof, tin foil wrapped dinner cooking on the engine block - an adventure/fantasy that sounds good to me!

Reminds me of my Boy Scout years going camping periodically with the guys, except that we cooked on real fires and Coleman stoves. Living in a tent for more than a week was pushing it for me then. At 68 I like an air conditioned abode with all the amenities.

 

[DaveP]

Came across this on elr.
House panel to take up $10B vaping tax Wednesday

Another instance where government introduces legislation before they understand the issue completely. Tax vaping out of existence and more smokers will die from continued cigarette smoking.

 

[Letitia]

Another instance where government introduces legislation before they understand the issue completely. Tax vaping out of existence and more smokers will die from continued cigarette smoking.

That's fine with them. More tax money and BP money. Sicker we get and the earlier we die is profitable in the US.

 

[DaveP]

So, after reading some posts about congress taxing nicotine I've decided I need to order another liter in 100mg nic to augment my current 2 liter stash. Any suggestions on who has the best price on a liter of good, clear nic base?

 

[Letitia]

So, after reading some posts about congress taxing nicotine I've decided I need to order another liter in 100mg nic to augment my current 2 liter stash. Any suggestions on who has the best price on a liter of good, clear nic base?

Wait for good friday sales. Don't think they can push anything through before then.

 

[Uncle]

If Trump signs a hard hitting flavor ban I believe it will be out of ignorance

TRUMP - "IGNORANT" . . .

He even says so - he be educated . . .


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