The Final Count Down -- Are You Ready?
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Onramp, went in a long time local vape shop today and chatted with the owner. He said he has been tested a few times for underage sales. Said he just had a feeling each time so watched the minor leave and get in the passenger side of a vehicle with state issued plates. We have 21 locally here alreay. Said the FDA has visited him recently and told him come May they will start enforcing no mixing but didn't mention anything about devices. He isn't sure what the future will bring for him, but did admit that eliquid is his big money maker.
Yea that was his biggest worry, if he could survive buying mixed eliquid and reselling it and whom would sell it to him.
I did this quite a while back. And you can see I was buying small volume nic, etc. at the time. Pretty cheap.
I assumed most all life long vapers would be mixing and rebuilding. Doesn't seem to be that way even with the current threats. But what I'm noticing is legislatures considering flavor bans and backing off when the realize may be menthol cigarettes also need to be banned and that tax money is too much to walk away from. i think that's what happened recently in Washington or Oregon. They want to micro manage ecigs. It's probably too late for that. Restricting kids access to ecigs will work so the kids will smoke instead. The kids can afford Juul or cigarettes because they don't do very much of either one. The pack-a-day stuff comes later. They've tried to rush restrictions and not hearing all the heroic stories of smokers switching to the benefit of everyone (except tax supported organizations). A smoke free population is way more valuable than the tax money.
I'm ready, have been for a while, but shopping for clearance deals on vape toys, just in case.
P.S. I try to keep things simple. My DIY is conventional 50/50 PG VG, 12mg nic, 1% flavor, cost 1 cent per ml, less than $30 per year, which is 100x less than the $3,000 it cost me to smoke a carton a week. That cost advantage will defeat tobacco cigarettes.
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Well, most smokers aren't DIYers - they're merely consumers with an addiction - not hobbyists.
Buy, smoke, buy, smoke, buy smoke.
That's what they want. They carry that with them if they switch to vaping.
Buy, vape, buy, vape, buy, vape.
Price isn't the main concern for such people (even if they are poor).
Convenience is.
If vaping becomes too expensive or too hard to obtain or whatever, they figure they will just "worry about it later". That's applies to most people in the society we live in, not just vaping/smoking.
I don't blame them. However, I have no sympathy for them either.
Yeah, that was me. I never even bothered to roll or stuff my own, despite a friend who did having gifted me a machine.
But somehow that all changed when I switched to vaping. It wasn't a matter of cost either; it was a just a strong desire to be certain that the ruling class could never take this miracle cure for smoking away from me.
Same with me, except I was a RYO smoker for a good while. Cost was the motivator. And man it saved me a TON of money as a 2-3 PAD smoker.
My motivation for DIY vaping is both about money and freedom from the ruling class.
^5 @Rossum
The writing was on the wall when I started vaping (2010-2011). So what is happening now is no surprise at all.
In 2011 I figured that if I was to continue to vape, I had to at the very least learn how to be
"self reliant". AND, that meant that I had to know how to make all my hardware, as well as how to make my own liquids.
The good news is that has allowed me to vape virtually for free, which has given me the cash for a lot of other things.
sorry BT, you loose
The writing was on the wall when I started vaping (2010-2011). So what is happening now is no surprise at all.
In 2011 I figured that if I was to continue to vape, I had to at the very least learn how to be
"self reliant". AND, that meant that I had to know how to make all my hardware, as well as how to make my own liquids.
The good news is that has allowed me to vape virtually for free, which has given me the cash for a lot of other things.
sorry BT, you loose
I was just going thru my budget n bills today thinking how nice it is not spending $270/month for ciggies.
It was about $250/month for us. Even with some additional stockpiling over the last six months I haven't come close to that number and now only need a gallon of PG and VG once every couple years.
EZ to live with.
When I quit back in July 2010 my smoking cost was about $300/mo. NY very high cig taxes, and they essentially forced the reservations to charge non-res retail pricing on name brands. (Threat of halting cig trucks going onto tribal lands.)
Prior to 2010 res prices had been about 1/2 of non-res.
My costs the last handful of months, to pick up lifetime stocks of nic, mods, toppers, has been less than if I had been smoking during that handful of months.
Prior to 2010 res prices had been about 1/2 of non-res.
My costs the last handful of months, to pick up lifetime stocks of nic, mods, toppers, has been less than if I had been smoking during that handful of months.
I figure since May '17, I've saved about $5K, and spent about $1,300. Of course, I won't be spending $400/yr any more. That was a lot of "startup cost." I'll spend probably less than $20/yr in VG, wick, wire, flavoring.
I'll probably get another liter of nic shortly, even though I think I'm set. A couple more mods & atties, but I could probably make it on what I have.
Unlike many here, I just can't believe that come May, we won't be able to get mods & atties. I think we should continue to be able to get those for a while, but of course- could be wrong. So I'll get a few more hardware items before then.
edit: Oh yeah, and I was able to replace a term life policy with one for non-smokers, saving me $30K over the next 13 years.
I'll probably get another liter of nic shortly, even though I think I'm set. A couple more mods & atties, but I could probably make it on what I have.
Unlike many here, I just can't believe that come May, we won't be able to get mods & atties. I think we should continue to be able to get those for a while, but of course- could be wrong. So I'll get a few more hardware items before then.
edit: Oh yeah, and I was able to replace a term life policy with one for non-smokers, saving me $30K over the next 13 years.
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In the last 5 years, I've spent about $700 on vape stuff, and haven't spent close to $8900 on cigs.
when i started vaping I was certain I'd never mix or rebuild. I was wrong. I got tired of the cost of coils and eliquid pretty fast. In younger days I was a pipe smoker and had a few nice pipes and the extra fiddling was part of the fun. Mixing and rebuilding do the same for vaping.
I figure I've probably saved $17,000 in the past 5 1/2 years minus what i've spent on vape stuff which has to be way south of a couple thousand dollars. I love being self sufficient for the rest of my days doing something entirely superior to smoking and less expensive than checkers. I was feeling pretty smug until the doc points out my blood pressure and blood sugar are too high. So the next challenge was fixing those without pills (pills don't actually fix them). So it's about diet and exercise which I couldn't have done without stopping smoking first.
I figure I've probably saved $17,000 in the past 5 1/2 years minus what i've spent on vape stuff which has to be way south of a couple thousand dollars. I love being self sufficient for the rest of my days doing something entirely superior to smoking and less expensive than checkers. I was feeling pretty smug until the doc points out my blood pressure and blood sugar are too high. So the next challenge was fixing those without pills (pills don't actually fix them). So it's about diet and exercise which I couldn't have done without stopping smoking first.
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