The future of vaping?

[trishdadish]

recycling is not as good as reusing...it takes massive amounts of energy, water, and it's not a true recycle like paper. .. they lose a bunch of plastic in the process. I'm against big business setting up a system where disposable batteries and cartos become the easiest choice for consumers. unfortunately I could easily see that happening, as that would have big business the biggest, aka repeat profits. I absolutely hate it when I see those disposables at the gas station.

 

[mostlyclassics]

Another thing about disposables. Most of the lithium in the batteries comes from Red China and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, where the lithium ore is mined by what amounts to slave labor.

Obviously, this holds true of our other rechargeable lithium-based batteries as well -- and don't forget about those in cell phones, battery-powered tools, laptop computers and tablets and hybrid or electric automobiles. To my mind, though, it's marginally acceptable to reuse the lithium by recharging those batteries for hundreds of times. Using the lithium in throwaways -- just over the edge.

But those are my moral quibbles. YMMV.

 

[darkbishop]

I agree. This would suck cuz I started buying higher end mods. Hopefully they don't bann those

 

[Bizrad8381]

Do you really think that big tobacco are going let people off the hook allowing them to buy just large ecigs which have battery that last for days and where people can refill their own juice. I don't think so! The big money is in the small ecig market. Once the tech improves enough this thing is going to take off big time. Look at Blu and Njoy they are already going down this path.

They are going to push mini ecigs on to the public where we need to go to a store and buy prefilled carts or maybe they will have disposables.

Sure you should hopefully be able to still by your mods online but they are not the future of vaping (for the masses). The masses will do whats easiest and most convenient and what the shops are selling and whats advertised on TV. Mini ecigs!

It's so obvious I don't know why I get some people here arguing with me.

You are confussing me, first people want the mini e-cigs now big tobacco wants mini e-cigs. Apparently you are the voice of the masses and major corporations.

 

[Blurgas]

Since BT is more interested in making money, they're more likely to get into e-cigs like Blu/NJOY, as those will offer the highest profit margin(yes, I know BT already owns Blu)
They're easy, they're simple, people can vape away and toss it when done, and I'm sure a lot of people are going to focus on Blu/NJOY because of that ease of use. You can open the box, grab the cigalike and start vaping. No charging, no figuring out the best carto/clearo/tank, no tinkering/assembly, just grab and vape.

Cigalikes are not going anywhere and I'm betting they'll grow in popularity and variety in the coming decade

As for bigger e-cigs(eGo, Provari, etc), unless the government says "No, eff you, stick with what BT puts out or nothing", they're not going anywhere, and even if the govnerment does start to crack down, it probably won't stop much, if anything.


About the only thing us vapers will decide upon is whether or not vaping will continue to exist.
Look at cars. Some buy MiniCoopers, others buy Hummers. Some fix their cars themselves, others drop it off at the mechanic. We can't even decide on how our cars are powered(gas, diesel, gas-elec hybrid, diesel-elec hybrid, pure electric)

 

[CarbonThief]

Like us here, most vapers, now and in 10 years, will yes, be drawn to and start vaping with cig a likes. But just like now, the vast majority of these people that stick with it and enjoy it, will buy something much, much better and if custom juices and DIY is still around, they will do that as well. Just like now. Mods may be somewhat smaller then, but most people, like they currently do, will move past the desire to have something that looks like a cigarette in relatively short order. So imho the future of vaping, barring some disappointing heavy handed regulation by the FDA, will look very similar to today's vaping. sure the technology will be somewhat different, cooler mods, better devices and delivery systems, wicking issues a thing of the past, etc.

as for some previous posts, I for, one (and representing MANY here) have absolutely NO interest in anything resembling, in any way, a cigarette. Not the look, the size, nor the "smoke". Vaping and the flavors even of tobacco juices like the NETs is so much better than anything ANY cigarette has ever offered.

 

[Erncig]

You are confussing me, first people want the mini e-cigs now big tobacco wants mini e-cigs. Apparently you are the voice of the masses and major corporations.

Not very confusing.

The people want a small light style ecig (that works well) to replace their smoking habit
The tobacco companies want to push small ecigs because that will force people to consume more and force them to constantly buy cartridges or disposable ecigs

We will see who is right in a few years.

 

[CarbonThief]

Not very confusing.

The people want a small light style ecig (that works well) to replace their smoking habit
The tobacco companies want to push small ecigs because that will force people to consume more and force them to constantly buy cartridges or disposable ecigs

We will see who is right in a few years.

And we will see, in much less time than that, you are either 1) back to smoking or 2) carrying around something that does not look like a cigarette, a mod.

Welcome to vaping, time to move on.

 

[Erncig]

And we will see, in much less time than that, you are either 1) back to smoking or 2) carrying around something that does not look like a cigarette, a mod.

Welcome to vaping, time to move on.

What part of GOOD performing mini ecig don't you understand?

 

[Ryedan]

Interesting thread that has raised some good points about where main-stream vaping may go in the future. Here are a few points that came to mind for me while I was reading the last couple of pages - not enough time to read all six today.

Battery technology gets better every year. More energy density is coming.

The e-cig industry is still in it's infancy. Changes are coming fast and furious all the time. There are a lot of products on the market that just don't work right, have inconsistent quality control and inadequate warranties.

I doubt disposables will ever become main-steam because of the environmental impact, but Njoy already have an answer for that in a recycling scheme where they give you a free e-cig for every eight used that you mail to them. Don't know how many people will actually mail them in, but Njoy has obviously given it some thought and are experimenting with it. They are also experimenting with a new disposable, the Njoy King. Here is a review done by ECF members. Except for the price and battery life, vape performance seems to be great.

I read somewhere there are about two million vapers in NA. I think membership on ECF is at about 100,000. If these numbers are in the ballpark, ECF accounts for about 5% of vapers in NA. If anyone has better stats I would love to know so please correct my numbers. What are the other 95% of vapers vaping? Seems to me they are the ones that will drive the industry forward while we will be the enthusiast/hobbyist side.

 

[CarbonThief]

What part of GOOD performing mini ecig don't you understand?

I'll tell you what I don't understand, a single damn thing you've said. End of story.

 

[Blurgas]

I doubt disposables will ever become main-steam because of the environmental impact

What planet are you living on?

 

[Keithhe]

Are you perhaps ashamed/insecure about being seen as a smoker? I'm not.

I'd rather people thing I'm smoking than some weirdo/druggie with some big looking device.

There is no reason why you can't have both worlds.

A mini ecig that looks exactly like a cigarette and others that are the same size/weight but have a blue light or something else that makes it not look like a real cigarette.

This is about advancing technology, making vaping as simple as can be and giving the masses what they want.

I'm not sure what things are like down under, but here smoking an anything has people looking at you like an alien. Many places have a little box that everyone has to stand in to smoke, outdoors. Some towns you essentially can't smoke anywhere, inside, outside, your aprtment, car. I'd personally rather have something that is very different looking and explain if needed.
One other thing is perception. The more they look like a real cigarette, the more the argument will become how these are just a prelude to the analog and more people to try to ban them. Just look at the so called assault weapons ban. They want to ban many ONLY because of how they look rather than what they actually are.

 

[Bizrad8381]

What part of GOOD performing mini ecig don't you understand?

I dont understand anything about good performing mini ecigs because they are non existant.

 

[Ryedan]

What planet are you living on?

Yup, I may just be giving people a lot more credit than they deserve. I always tell people to stay away from anything disposable. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Then again look at the popularity of things like the Swiffer Sweeper and coffee in K-cups! Maybe this is the way ecigs will go, but I don't have to like it

 

[Blurgas]

Maybe this is the way ecigs will go, but I don't have to like it

Yea, unfortunately, looking at some parts of the world now, it seems most likely that disposable ecigs will become the "popular/mainstream" style.
At the same time I don't see stuff like the eGo, Provari, clearos/cartos/etc, etc going away anytime soon, especially the companies that are already established as "good"

 

[Ryedan]

At the same time I don't see stuff like the eGo, Provari, clearos/cartos/etc, etc going away anytime soon, especially the companies that are already established as "good"

Totally agree with you Blurgas. There will always be a market for these, which is great for me because I'm one of those people like most here that like a big honking PV's and all that goes with them!

 

[bobbybilly]

Well it looks like there are a lot of replies and I don't have time to read them all so I may be repeating what others have said. I see the future of vaping as it becoming very mainstream and a lot more socially acceptable, not totally acceptable but a lot more so than smoking. Unfortunately with it's increase in popularity will come huge increases in government regulation and taxation in the name of looking out for our best interests, but we all know better than that. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[Blurgas]

Not sure I'd want vaping to be too mainstream as I've discovered it is possible to get a nicotine buzz just by being in a confined area with a lot of vaping going on.
Wasn't too pleasant either. Ever vaped too much or just simply got too much nicotine in your system?

 

[zapped]

Not sure I'd want vaping to be too mainstream as I've discovered it is possible to get a nicotine buzz just by being in a confined area with a lot of vaping going on.
Wasn't too pleasant either. Ever vaped too much or just simply got too much nicotine in your system?

Im gonna have to call b.s on that. I just attended Vapercon in Richmond Va that had over 1600 people attend. Their was a haze hanging in the air with a sweet syrupy smell from all the different juice flavors mixing but NO ONE there complained about getting a nicotine buzz from just being in the room. There were several non-smokers and vapers in attendance as well supporting their significant others.

Theres at least one report that out that supports this as well.The amount of nicotine left in the air after expelling vapor dissipates rapidly, 99 percent of it is absorbed into the lining of the mouth and nose or into the lungs.

You can find the report here http://www.healthnz.co.nz/RuyanCartr...t30-Oct-08.pdf

What happened to taking the time to read forums and then asking intelligent questions to answers you dont know instead of just spouting off nonsense like you were an authority on the subject?