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I don't have any issues with US vendors. FT sells these things as well, and shockingly there are complaints from their users that the batterys are crap. innokin specifically called out FT as not being an approved reseller and still people contend that innokin is selling them out the back door to FT and that the sticker thing is just price fixing.

I figure if the manufacturer is specifically calling you out....

STATEMENT - Best Electronic Cigarette | E Cigarette Manufacturer| Innokin
Supplementary Statements Regarding Fast Tech - Best Electronic Cigarette | E Cigarette Manufacturer| Innokin

I don't really want to get in to a internet whizzing war here so if you want to buy the marketing then that is your prerogative. That is exactly what innokin was hoping for. I have read every post of all three fastech threads here on ECF and not ONE person of the many who ordered the V3 thought it was a counterfeit or "crap" as you so eloquently put it. Innokin called them out and innokin solely. They were upset that FT was selling them bellow MSRP and Innokin tries to bully all their retailers in to selling at that fixed price.

This was all discussed and dismissed months ago when the information you linked first came out and innokin hasn't said a word since. It is my opinion that FT backed them down and real world information proved that innokin was just blowing smoke. I also believe that is why we can now get the VV at a reasonable competitive rate here here in the states without the manufacturer trying to artificially inflate the price.

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They were upset that FT was selling them bellow MSRP and Innokin tries to bully all their retailers in to selling at that fixed price.IMO

I work for a computer hardware vendor and MSRP for us is more an upper limit, not minimum price. We sell to our resellers at a much lower price and they are allowed to sell their items at as low or high a cost as they wish.

We sell our product at MSRP so that we do not unfairly compete with our resellers. I am sure the same holds true for Innokin. If Fasttech had purchased them from Innokin, then why does Innokin care what the final sales price to the end user is? They already made their money off the unit.

Innokin makes no more money from an Itaste sold in a Beverly Hills Boutique than one sold on ebay or Fasttech.

Also, it makes very little sense to sell them to a reseller and then make a public statement to not buy them from said reseller.

You can believe whatever side you want. But if I have to believe someone, I think I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the original manufacturer of the product, not the reseller that photoshops the name of the manufacturer from it's materials and then lists them as authentic.
 

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It's funny, the vender where I bought my Itaste VV from lists it for the lowest approved MSRP, but then includes a coupon code right in the listing to get $15 off. It does seem a bit odd that Innokin would tell people not to buy one of their products, if it was genuine, as they get their wholesale cut no matter what the retail. I suppose they want to keep the perceived value of their products high.
 
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Also, it makes very little sense to sell them to a reseller and then make a public statement to not buy them from said reseller.

You can believe whatever side you want. But if I have to believe someone, I think I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to the original manufacturer of the product, not the reseller that photoshops the name of the manufacturer from it's materials and then lists them as authentic.

Totally agree.
 

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I bought a chameleon VV 3 from DesertVapes.com on their Black Friday deal. It arrived on Saturday. It was shipped in a ziploc bag--no box so no way of telling if it's authentic which doesn't bother me anyway. It does have 6 rivets and the +/- buttons rattle like a maraca so I'm leaning toward authentic--lol!

I just started playing with it and have all ready had to fiddle with one of my EVOD tanks to get it to work. Had to screw the bottom of the tank on tighter but I've had to do that with my eGo batteries, too. So far I do prefer VW over VV. I like the "set it and forget it." I have accidentally turned my eGo C-Twists too high while driving and inhaled a giant blast of OMG! I don't think I'll be fiddling with the tiny little buttons on the VV while driving but I could at stoplights & the bright LCD display should stop those OMG vapes.

I'm happy with my new toy & the ohm meter will help when I start making my own coils. I was going to buy another battery anyway and the ohm meter plus variable voltage made this purchase a no-brainer.
 

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I think there is an issue with some of the evod rings where you could tighten them down completely and the battery post still wouldn't make contact with the atty head. I had an Evod tank that would not fire any head I put on it.. Kept getting "NON". Same tank worked on my Ego-T's just fine. Just for giggles, I pried the end cap of the head down a little and it started working.

I have since retired all my Evod's and my Mini Protank 2's all work without issue.

I also use VW exclusively. For my Wowboy Juice I prefer 6.5 watts. Some of the apple I get works better at 7.0 watts. 7.5 watts gives me burnt flavor on anything I put in the tank thus far.

6.5 watts works best for me for all the flavors I have. Although I could coax a little more taste at 7.0 watts, my Wowboy sometimes gets a slight burnt aftertaste at 7.0 watts, so I kick it back.

I love Variable wattage. I have 2.5 ohm coils from Kangertech, but they range from 2.4 ohms to 2.9 ohms on the device. It is so nice to have wattage dialed in and the resistance reading then becomes nothing but a number.....Taste and TH remain constant.
 
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It's funny, the vender where I bought my Itaste VV from lists it for the lowest approved MSRP, but then includes a coupon code right in the listing to get $15 off. It does seem a bit odd that Innokin would tell people not to buy one of their products, if it was genuine, as they get their wholesale cut no matter what the retail. I suppose they want to keep the perceived value of there products high.

There you go! They are being told what to sell it at by innokin. Your shops work around is to offer a cupon.

Others are just ignoring the company now.

They want to keep the MSRP high so they can sell it to their re-sellers at a high price.

I believe this practice is considered illegal in the US (price fixing) but I don care about that. I just like the factthat we are now getting a true free market price for this product here in the US. And we can thank a Chinese importer for that :)
 

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I love my fake vv3‘s
And i paid less than $50 for both.

As i said earlier, innokin has a suggested resale value.
Some vendors work around it with coupons. Or a selling as replacement parts.
I stand firm on my purchase. I use my vv3 more than my mvp2. Which came in a box.
I dont have a center pin issue with mine, but i also dont use kanger clearos.
I had issues on my egos with the kangers as well.
 

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I love my fake vv3‘s
And i paid less than $50 for both.

As i said earlier, innokin has a suggested resale value.
Some vendors work around it with coupons. Or a selling as replacement parts.
I stand firm on my purchase. I use my vv3 more than my mvp2. Which came in a box.
I dont have a center pin issue with mine, but i also dont use kanger clearos.
I had issues on my egos with the kangers as well.

Ok so i called them and dave the owner got on the phone with me and explained it all to me.
They are infact genuine. They come in a 5 pack with the thin plastic over them, just as they send to you in the mail. They do not buy the kit in the box as the box alone jacks the price up.
They are boight in bulk, he has suppliers buy from him. Supplier that run stores, so since he is able to buy in such a large bulk size, he is able to get a large discount, on top of not having to pay for the box. He said he guarantees its authentic, and goes to great lengths to ensure his products are authentic because he doesnt want money loss is in returns. And he would rather have a happy customer the first time around.

Dave was very helpful, nice and polite. I would suggest calling a company to get the facts before you pass judgement and especially when voicing such judgements.

Desertvapes is one of the view vendors that actually answer the phones!
They have aleays answered my questions. And so far i have been very happy with them.

eta i got mine for about $20.oo
dave says think pf this, i still made a profit off that purchase. Some people feel that a quality product costs x amount of money. He also said imagine the profit vendors are making even at $40. Some people just feel they need to spend more money or its not quality. I get it. He also said that he does not shop around to see what other stores are sellong at, he doesnt look for the going rate. He buys as cheap as he can, marks up a fair profit percentage and sells it.

I can also say i buy their dct tanks all the time. Looove them. Pay less than $6 where other venders are charging well over $10
 
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There you go! They are being told what to sell it at by innokin. Your shops work around is to offer a cupon.

Others are just ignoring the company now.

They want to keep the MSRP high so they can sell it to their re-sellers at a high price.

I believe this practice is considered illegal in the US (price fixing) but I don care about that. I just like the factthat we are now getting a true free market price for this product here in the US. And we can thank a Chinese importer for that :)

MSRP is not price fixing, It is a suggested price that you sell it for retail so that you can get a decent profit margin between what you bought it for and what you sell it for.

Let's say these things cost $5.00 a piece to make. Innokin may sell them at $10.00 a piece in small volume and maybe at $7.00 a piece in large volumes.

Bottom line, once the unit leaves the factory, Innokin gets no more money from the final sale of the unit and has no interest what the final price to the consumer is.

If a guy moves a million units at a dollar over what he paid or a guy sells 1000 units at 1000 dollars over what he paid. Both guys made a million dollars profit. If anything, Innokin would prefer the million unit seller to succeed because Innokin makes more money from the million unit mover than the 1000 unit mover. You don't see Black and Decker screaming bloody murder because it sells it's products 20% cheaper than mom and pop hardware store. Black and Decker makes it's money selling to Wal-Mart at a lower per unit price but higher volume.

This is why it makes no sense that Innokin would go after Fasttech. Fasttech would be one of Innokin's higest volume dealer. If Joe Blow at "mysuperexpensivevapestore.com" gets peeved because Fasttech can sell them half the price as Joe, can, Innokin doesn't give a rip because Joe Blow is buying 1/1000th the units Fasttech is buying.

The ONLY reason Innokin would go after one of it's highest volume resellers is if the reseller was using Innokin's name to sell Non-Innokin product.

If someone is passing off Non-Innokin product, as Innokin product, not only does this product have the potential of damaging Innokin's reputation and name, it also considers each of these units as a lost sale of an authentic unit.

I had an issue when I was working in the King County Library. Microsoft was donating software to use on our computers and they would audit our systems. They discovered that the "authentic" Microsoft Mice we were using were indeed counterfeit. They even showed us how to identify the fakes from the real ones. It appears that Microsoft had ended it's relationship with one of it's manufacturing partners (In China no less) and the manufacturing partner did not destroy the molds and proceeded to make a bunch of fake Microsoft Mice and continue selling them as legit.

It is MUCH more likely that a similar issue happened with Innokin. Innokin probably ended it's relationship with one of it's fabricating houses, and now that fab house is selling the knockoffs directly to Fasttech and keeping Innokin out of the loop. This would make sense as the fabricating house would have all the molds and materials needed to make an "authentic" looking product, right down to the box and manual.

The problem is, that without Innokin in the loop, the fabricating house can now install it's own level of quality control, and if it so desires, even cheapen out on the materials since there is no official Innokin oversight as to adherence to it's specs. The fabricator can even swap out lower capacity batteries. They don't care...The box says Innokin, so that's who the end user will blame.

THAT's Why Innokin wants these off the street. Not some conspiracy theory price fixing mumbo jumbo.
 
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i got mine from vapour-room also got a t3s and 2 2.5ohm heads all together £31 deliverd (used the 15% discount code aswell)
ordered on wednesday at 15:30, deliverd thursday at 12:50! happy as larry

Who's Larry, and why is he so happy? (must have a 17 rivet, rattleless VV, eh?) ;)
 

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Well i disagree. I think innokin wants their product sold at a higher retail value as to not be percieved as a cheap product.

Eta think of marketing. Or take a class if you dont know about branding, pricing etc.

But anyway ill keep vaping from my $20 fake vv3‘s and you can vape from you $40 vv3 or whatever you paid.
If you cant prove its fake why spread the rumors with out factual knowledge. It is unfair in my opinion. Prove its fake.
And also places like fasttech do not stamp another brands name on their knockoff products, if it says kanger evod or evod, evod is a type of clearo, kanger is the name brand, same with vision vivi nova, or just vivi nova. Vivi nova is a style of clearo vision is the brand.
When they clearly state innokin it is innokin.
I use smok dct, bought dct tanks from fasttech, they are knockoffs, but i knew they were, they did not stamp smok on them cuz they are not. But they look exactly the same.

You can tell a joyetech ego from a knockoff ego, the quality isnt the same, there is no joyetech logo.
If the logo is there it is real deal in my experience.
 
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And also places like fasttech do not stamp another brands name on their knockoff products, if it says kanger evod or evod, evod is a type of clearo, kanger is the name brand, same with vision vivi nova, or just vivi nova. Vivi nova is a style of clearo vision is the brand.

Are these Kanger Evod's $21.22 EVOD Electronic Cigarette Round Mouth Atomizer (10-Pack / 1.5mL) 10-pack - 2.4

The ad says Evod and only Kanger makes Evod's, but more colors then Kanger makes.

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From what I've read, they seem to steal the product name on FT, but less often or not at all, depending on what you think, the company name. I would think these are not Kanger Evods.

You are correct. Those are not Kanger Evod's, but FT uses the name and if you don't know better you end up buying fakes.
 

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Well i disagree. I think innokin wants their product sold at a higher retail value as to not be percieved as a cheap product.

Eta think of marketing. Or take a class if you dont know about branding, pricing etc.

But anyway ill keep vaping from my $20 fake vv3‘s and you can vape from you $40 vv3 or whatever you paid.
If you cant prove its fake why spread the rumors with out factual knowledge. It is unfair in my opinion. Prove its fake.
And also places like fasttech do not stamp another brands name on their knockoff products, if it says kanger evod or evod, evod is a type of clearo, kanger is the name brand, same with vision vivi nova, or just vivi nova. Vivi nova is a style of clearo vision is the brand.
When they clearly state innokin it is innokin.
I use smok dct, bought dct tanks from fasttech, they are knockoffs, but i knew they were, they did not stamp smok on them cuz they are not. But they look exactly the same.

You can tell a joyetech ego from a knockoff ego, the quality isnt the same, there is no joyetech logo.
If the logo is there it is real deal in my experience.

I'm not saying that Fasttech "stamps" the manufacturer name on the product.

I doubt Innokin itself owns the factories that build their product. They out source the actual production like everyone else does.

So the outsourced FAB does all the construction of the product, packages the product and sends it back to Innokin. Innokin then sells it through their official channels.

Now let's say the FAB wants to generate a little extra cash. So instead of building 1,000,000 units that Innokin ordered, they make 1,500,000 and sell the 500,000 out the back door. Maybe those 500,000 are rejects that did not meet the standards that Innokin requires, maybe the FAB sells the "knockoffs" with a lower cost battery cell. who knows!!!?? All we know is that 1,000,000 units went to Innokin, and 500,000 went elsewhere.

Now Fasttech starts selling the 500,000 they bought from the FAB as Innokin units. They say Innokin on the box, good enough for them, except they know they didn't buy them from Innokin direct.... Innokin never sold them to Fasttech. And since Fasttech didn't purchase them from Innokin, they can undercut anyone else because they got "Innokin" units cheaper than Innokin sold the units to the resellers themselves.

Now Resellers start complaining because they are losing sales to Fasttech who can offer them BELOW what Innokin charges the reseller. Customers start complaining because some of them get one of the "rejects" that never reached Innokin. In either case, we have 500,000 fake units out there that did not go through Innokin's doors.

THIS is the reason why Innokin gets peeved. The customer has no idea he is getting faked product, and Innokin has 500,000 units out there that if never "sold" to anyone.

$39.54 Authentic iTaste VW V3.0 7-in-1 Variable Voltage Rechargeable 800mAh Electronic Cigarettes Set - vv-3.0 at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
If this an authentic product, why is Innokin's name listed nowhere except in the URL? I'll bet it even has all the Innokin markings and documentation that you would get from a genuine unit. Except one problem. Innokin disavows all knowledge of it.

From Innokin's standpoint this unit does not exist. It never graced their doorstep.
 

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Well i disagree. I think innokin wants their product sold at a higher retail value as to not be percieved as a cheap product.

Eta think of marketing. Or take a class if you dont know about branding, pricing etc.

But anyway ill keep vaping from my $20 fake vv3‘s and you can vape from you $40 vv3 or whatever you paid.
If you cant prove its fake why spread the rumors with out factual knowledge. It is unfair in my opinion. Prove its fake.
And also places like fasttech do not stamp another brands name on their knockoff products, if it says kanger evod or evod, evod is a type of clearo, kanger is the name brand, same with vision vivi nova, or just vivi nova. Vivi nova is a style of clearo vision is the brand.
When they clearly state innokin it is innokin.
I use smok dct, bought dct tanks from fasttech, they are knockoffs, but i knew they were, they did not stamp smok on them cuz they are not. But they look exactly the same.

You can tell a joyetech ego from a knockoff ego, the quality isnt the same, there is no joyetech logo.
If the logo is there it is real deal in my experience.

Are these Kanger Evod's $21.22 EVOD Electronic Cigarette Round Mouth Atomizer (10-Pack / 1.5mL) 10-pack - 2.4

The ad says Evod and only Kanger makes Evod's, but more colors then Kanger makes.

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Sigh, you literally just roll from thread to thread looking for an argument don't you? Hard to see why you had issues with a Mod...

The pics you link from MVS show 7 colors of EVOD, had you ACTUALLY done your research you could have easily found that Kanger makes 8 colors of EVODS. So no, theyre not selling more colors than Kanger makes, whether or not they're legitimate Kangers, i don't know. If they say they are true Kangers, i would expect to receive properly branded units, then take issue if that was not the case.

No idea what that FT link has to do with anything, everyone knows those are knockoffs and FT makes no representations otherwise.
 
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