The inscruable chinese..

[trog100]

there is nothing cheap about this product.. its well made.. machine turned solid brass components.. beautifully polished carved hand finshed hardwood bowl.. hand assembled and tested.. well boxed and presented..

now why on earth would anybody go to the trouble to make something like this that has a design life of only two weeks..

do the chinese know something i dont.. ???

trog

 

[syntaxevasion]

Trog, I assume you're referring to the atomizing components?


Curious what other materials besides the current metal used (foam nickel I believe???) would be ideal to provide a more reliable atomizing device. This calls for some fun times experimenting

 

[trog100]

i am referring to the atomizer.. mainly the stuff that coats the heater coil.. its this that seems to kill other well made devices off.. its a crying shame with something like the pipe.. if decent as new performance is required a new pipe every two weeks is the only way to do it..

a design alteration that takes a cheap plug in atomizer would cure the problem.. but the makers seem happy to keep churning out the things just as they are..

let me hazard a guess here.. 600 hundred puffs per day.. i think these things are good for around five thousand puffs max..

quite a lot when looked at in this way.. but a figure a heavy user soon arrives at..

atomizers are disposable items with a limited design life.. this isnt a problem only in the way these products are made and sold.. buying a packet of new atomizers at the same time as new carts is the real answer..

loong totem have gone into overkill mode with a new atomizer in each new cart.. but it shows the way..

trog

ps.. a device designed around cheap disposable atomizer is the answer.. cheap generics can already be used in this way.. the big name expensive boys have problems here thow.. but only because they are so over priced and sold on the service concept.. its not a valid concept with current devices..

the problem the big boys have is if they reduce their atomizers to sensible price levels they end up selling a way over priced a battery which sadly is also a disposable item..

these things are cheap chinese items.. no matter what name they carry.. the chinese can produce them for pennies.. the pipes cost a little more to produce than the normal type cigs..

trog

 

[trog100]

a pipe made and sold my way.. pretty much the same as it is appearance wise..

it would take simple plug in atomizers.. change them every few says.. it would not take carts these do not seem to work properly either.. it would have decent seals to stop fluid leaking into the battery compartment..

how it would be sold.. instruction to customer..

1.. charge and install battery..

2.. plug in atomizer..

3.. take the fluid dripper bottle that come with your pipe.. carefully place ten drips into the atomizer.. this is just like filling your real pipe with tobacco only its e liquid..

4.. plug in mouthpiece and smoke away..

5.. when smoke falls off refill your pipe with fluid.. every few days depending on use replace your atomizer..

the result.. a sensible device that works as it should with no problems right from the word go..

trog

ps.. and most importantly.. dosnt need throwing away every two weeks.. he he he

 

[Mr.Darcy]

Trog-why do you think they dont just make such a device?
i mean it makes so much more sense for everyone involved.
the way that thing is crafted for short term use is just wasteful and downright stupid.

 

[trog100]

the answer is simple darcy.. its a copy of the ruyan e pipe..

its all in my "real reasons" thread..

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eal-reason-we-having-problems-our-e-cigs.html

of course peope who cant afford the 350 dollar ruyan pipe dream the "u get what u pay for" dream.. they spout the "buy cheap and what do u expect" mantra..

ruyan charge 35 dollars for five pipe carts.. the weekly ruyan running costs for me would be astronomical.. .. two pipes up front cos i know its bound to fail some time.. 700 dollars plus shipping.. lets say a months supply of carts to get me going.. 30 carts.. 6 x 35 = 210 dollars.. all in 910 dollars up front for the first month..

so for a thousand dollars i could destroy the ruyan myth.. ruyan sold a package.. to rich occasional users.. it worked.. the high price for consumables saw to that.. it simply stopped the product being used in the way i would use it..

i can visualize lots of ruyan pipes sitting on rich mens shelves.. an ideal present for rich wifey to buy hubby.. he he he

trog

ps... i hope they see sense soon and do make such a device.. i do think we have to ding the sense into the buggers thow..

ps 2.. and darcy.. the chinese are wasteful and darnt right stupid... they dont seem to care.. they make it.. we buy it.. no racial slur intended.. but there is no other way to say it..

the cheap price keeps the system going.. i have ten dead e pipes.. they all come from china.. he he he

they are quite capable if making a wonderful ship and sinking it cos the cream cheese plug in the bottom falls out.. it might be a clever plan.. dunno.. he he he

 

[Kate]

Do you use ecig.com pipes Trog? I ordered one of those a few days ago so I could compare the vapour with my ecig. The ecig is no good to me with cartridges so I've been dripping liquid onto the atomiser and smoking it without a cartridge. The pipes are supposed to produce more vapour, is that right?

I'm a bit embarrased about smoking a pipe - being a woman and all, but I'll only be doing it at home, alone and using my ecig when anyone else is around. The way I look at it is that if it delivers the density of vapour to satisfy then it shouldn't matter how daft I look.

 

[trog100]

to give this "why" thing some serious comment.. that pipe keeps chinese dudes in jobs.. at present the chinese are over producing.. their big problem is keeping the chinese workers in jobs..

not wrecking the planet aint at the top of their priority list.. pretty much like it wasnt at the top of our priority list a hundred years ago..

us western dudes simply export our waste and pollution.. we let the chinese wreck the planet for us.. ultimately its us that buy the junk so its us that are responsible.. "things aint as they seem" is the phrase..

trog

 

[trog100]

Do you use ecig.com pipes Trog? I ordered one of those a few days ago so I could compare the vapour with my ecig. The ecig is no good to me with cartridges so I've been dripping liquid onto the atomiser and smoking it without a cartridge. The pipes are supposed to produce more vapour, is that right?

I'm a bit embarrased about smoking a pipe - being a woman and all, but I'll only be doing it at home, alone and using my ecig when anyone else is around. The way I look at it is that if it delivers the density of vapour to satisfy then it shouldn't matter how daft I look.

i do kate.. when dripped they produce superb smoke.. the battery lasts all day..

but i aint prepared to buy a new one every two weeks.. i am prepared to buy a new 901 atomizer every two weeks thow..

the e-cig mini is rubbish.. the pipe is a whole different kettle of fish.. the mini is just a bad design from a smoke production point of view.. okay as a placebo device but thats all..

but its the little coating around the atomizer heater coil that wears out.. it does so on all e cigs.. which is why they need a re-design.. this applies to all pipes.. the same little cost nothing coating will wear out..

trog

 

[Mr.Darcy]

yep,thats just the way it is right now i suppose...cant see it changing anytime soon.

 

[trog100]

yep,thats just the way it is right now i suppose...cant see it changing anytime soon.

talking on a grander scale..

it will.. its gonna collapse soon cos it aint sustainable.. i think we are on the point of the collapse.. the worlds financial system is built in the same idiot pack of cards pretend money kinda way as the chinese make their pipes.. ..

it the financial system thats gonna bring the lot down.. its so incredible as to be unbelievable..

there is no money.. simply a promise to pay... people who borrow money create new money.. the bank then lends out 9 x that already borrowed money and more new money is created..

thru nothing other than pure greed and blind faith the music will always keep playing they have in essence.. f-cked the whole thing up..

the effects are only just beginning to be seen.. the pack of cards is trembling.. he he he

trog

 

[Mr.Darcy]

i just meant the atomiser design for the forseeable future...who knows what theyre working on...i dont...i certainly hope something better and more advanced comes along soon...but i doubt it'll be this year.

 

[trog100]

my youngest offspring said to me yesterday.. the only sensible thing to do is make our own.. we visualize a cheap aluminum chinese torch to hold the battery..

a small push to make switch.. all based around a 901 atomizer.. the battery would either be a stock 18340 pipe type or a bigger 18650 2000 mah job.. one based around a 14630 AA sized battery would also do..

we would still have to fit replacemnt atomizers but the rest would work okay and the batteries would last for ever..

trog

 

[phylo]

Here is a thought to keep the size down...

maybe have an exposed positive and negative terminal on the end or maybe the side of the battery/capacitor and then a sleeve that you put the 901 in that has a couple of batteries in it that will recharge the capacitor/battery that is in the 901.. That way you keep the actual device small but you dont have the limited capacity of the tiny battery! Im sure it would be pretty easy to cobble something together..

Hmmm maybe I should patent that e-cig battery and charging sleeve design!

Phil

 

[trog100]

there is a thing somewhere not sure which site where u screw your battery in to recharge.. but we simply want a device we can pick up take out and expect it to work all day.. so far such a device dosnt exist..

fitting the decent sized battery in the first place would also remove the need to keep buying new ones every two minutes..

a 2000 mah battery would last for months.. its a money saver as well as an improved device.. a pair costs about 6 dollars..

trog

 

[Tee Cee Trade Nld]

nice picture! We have some problems too. sometimes the, spiral, the pcs where the battery rests on, brakes..... woooow, nothing to do.... resend to china.... I would have been happy when I could do some repairing on myself, but it is allmost impossible... :S

 

[trog100]

nice picture! We have some problems too. sometimes the, spiral, the pcs where the battery rests on, brakes..... woooow, nothing to do.... resend to china.... I would have been happy when I could do some repairing on myself, but it is allmost impossible... :S

sending to china is a not a real option for me.. i would sooner pay 14 dollars for a new one.. we have never had the spring break thow.. simply the atomizer on a regular.. predictable.. guaranteed basis ceases to function as it does when new after around two weeks..

this is not random part failure.. simply an atomizer design life that is very very short.. we retired the last pair after only six days usage.. they work out at 20 dollars per week at the two week life cycle.. at the one week life cycle it would be 40 dollars per week..

i love the way they work when new.. but throwing one away every week to maintain the as new functionality is not cost effective..

i will keep a couple around for occasional usage but not as my everyday device.. i cant afford them.. he he

trog