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[Soignee]

So, I rebuilt my BF Odin which is dedicated to all things Megan's Choice. The very first build I put in it came out to .68 ohms and I found that the flavors from this build brought out all of the best flavors. The cinnamon, the pastry and the frosting were all up front in the most delicious way ever. I've been building long enough that I just sort of eyeball the leg lengths as well and to me rounding of the numbers is not such a big deal.

.68 is close enough to .70 right? Well, not so fast.

With the second build I decided to drop it down to .60. Whipped up a couple of coils and tossed them in. From the very first pull, something was missing. The sweetness was there from the frosting but the cinnamon was less pronounced and the pastry just sort of went away. Thinking that's no good, I then proceeded to tear out the build and do it again and this time the build came out to .72. Again, something was missing. This time the pastry and cinnamon were up front but the frosting had subsided. Crap! Where did that perfect balance go. Frankly, I got a bit ...... at myself for not just leaving the original build alone. So what did I do? I ripped out the build again! This time I broke out the Fluke multi meter and played with the coils until I got them right back to that magic number of .68 and Bam!, there was that sweet spot again.

Call me a weirdo if you like but I tend to dedicate devices, atty's and builds to the different juices I happen to be using in order to get the best flavors. The main reason I am posting this up is to let some of the newer builders know that if you find that a particular juice just isn't hitting for you to toss a few builds at it before giving up and not to be afraid of playing with your builds, coil positions and wicking as well. It can make all the difference in the world towards the enjoyment of your vape and in the end, the satisfaction that you find may be your own. Sometimes even the smallest adjustments will make the difference.

As always, I hope this helps...

Great post Ya weirdo [emoji2].

But you're not weird for building for the juice at all! One of the awesome things about vaping is being able to fine tune for each persons taste.


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[distortoblotto]

But you're not weird.

Tell my wife that!!!!

 

[Augmented Dog]

Not that weird, Distorto.
I do the same thing for the same reason.

 

[Soignee]

32 over 28... And that's one hell of a fine looking coil by the way...

Brought this over from the WAY Vaping thread...

So, are you using guitar string as the initial wire to wrap the 32 onto or just free *alling it straight onto the 28?

 

[distortoblotto]

I used a pair of these....Dremel chuck attachments.



I had originally bought some Clapton coil from Vapor Grudge and after studying it a bit, came up with an idea. What I did was to mount an old Dremel in my bench vise with one chuck in it and then using the second chuck in a 18v Dewalt hammer drill (heavy) I put the dewalt sitting up on the battery on the bench so that both chucks where level with each other and as straight across from each other as possible. I let the Dremel free wheel and used the Dewalt to rotate the wire. I put the 28 and 32 in the Dremel chuck and just the other end of the 28 in the Dewalt chuck. I started a couple turns of the 32 by hand right up against the Dremel chuck and then tensioned and operated the Dewalt with my left hand and while tensioning and feeding the 32 with my right. After a good bit of time and a few choice words, I was able to get a perfect wrap. To tell you the truth, if I had to do all over again, I would just buy the Clapton from Vaper Grudge as it is a very slow process and wrapping Clapton wire is a pain in the wazoo!

 

[Soignee]

I used a pair of these....Dremel chuck attachments.

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I had originally bought some Clapton coil from Vapor Grudge and after studying it a bit, came up with an idea. What I did was to mount an old Dremel in my bench vise with one chuck in it and then using the second chuck in a 18v Dewalt hammer drill (heavy) I put the dewalt sitting up on the battery on the bench so that both chucks where level with each other and as straight across from each other as possible. I let the Dremel free wheel and used the Dewalt to rotate the wire. I put the 28 and 32 in the Dremel chuck and just the other end of the 28 in the Dewalt chuck. I started a couple turns of the 32 by hand right up against the Dremel chuck and then tensioned and operated the Dewalt with my left hand and while tensioning and feeding the 32 with my right. After a good bit of time and a few choice words, I was able to get a perfect wrap. To tell you the truth, if I had to do all over again, I would just buy the Clapton from Vaper Grudge as it is a very slow process and wrapping Clapton wire is a pain in the wazoo!

I've got a good picture in my mind of the operation...I'm gonna try my hand(s) at it in the morning, unless mah wife has other ideas! Thanks bro!

 

[distortoblotto]

I've got a good picture in my mind of the operation...I'm gonna try my hand(s) at it in the morning, unless mah wife has other ideas! Thanks bro!

Be prepared to waste some wire... (and let me know how it turns out)

 

[Soignee]

Be prepared to waste some wire... (and let me know how it turns out)

Got 100 feet of each. The electrical mechanics of it are pretty intriguing...all the energy goes to the internal wire and the external acts more as surface area heated by the core. So both wire's vaporize the juice, with energy (battery power) being spent on only the core wire...more or less External wire also acts as a wick...

 

[mitro]

Got 100 feet of each. The electrical mechanics of it are pretty intriguing...all the energy goes to the internal wire and the external acts more as surface area heated by the core. So both wire's vaporize the juice, with energy (battery power) being spent on only the core wire...more or less External wire also acts as a wick...

Sounds like you have a pretty good grip on it. The outer wrap does very little heating, because of that, the inner wire has to work pretty hard to heat all that mass. Ramp-up times can be hellacious if you don't have enough of a difference in gauge between the inner and outer wire, especially on a mech. Boosting the voltage can alleviate that, but I'm trying to keep a 8ga difference between the two (32ga around 24ga or 34ga around 26ga) and plan on trying a 10ga differential.

6 months ago, I was saying to myself, "What the hell am I going to do with this 32 and 34 that I bought when I first started?" Now I know and am going to have to order more and likely even smaller wire.

 

[Soignee]

Sounds like you have a pretty good grip on it. The outer wrap does very little heating, because of that, the inner wire has to work pretty hard to heat all that mass. Ramp-up times can be hellacious if you don't have enough of a difference in gauge between the inner and outer wire, especially on a mech. Boosting the voltage can alleviate that, but I'm trying to keep a 8ga difference between the two (32ga around 24ga or 34ga around 26ga) and plan on trying a 10ga differential.

6 months ago, I was saying to myself, "What the hell am I going to do with this 32 and 34 that I bought when I first started?" Now I know and am going to have to order more and likely even smaller wire.

Thanks Mitro. I'm trying to burn through my "newbie" wire as well...I will probably end up having to reup based on what I'm finding out. Thanks for the info on the differential mah friend!

 

[distortoblotto]

Let me ask Mitro. Are you stripping the Clapton wrap off of the tips of your legs or something? I only ask because I am leaving the wraps on when installing the coil legs to the post and I don't really notice any increase in the ramp up times at all. Could I be doing it all wrong?

 

[mitro]

I'm leaving the wraps on the legs as well. I'm not sure what we're doing differently. The one I'm using currently is a 0.5 ohm single with 32ga over 24ga (3.1mm ID/5wrap) and I have to boost it up to nearly 5 volts before I find it acceptable. Of course it may just boil down to preference and vaping style. I take short draws (generally 1 sec or so) so I want it to fire NOW!

Soignee: I was curious and did the math and found that using 32ga over 24ga should require 13.4 inches of 32ga for every inch of clapton wire.

EDIT: double checked my work and found a misplaced a decimal point on something. Corrected the length.

 

[distortoblotto]

I'm running a one piece 2mm dual coil built to 0.4 ohms. The fact that it is one piece of wire and that it is 2mm is making the difference me thinks.

 

[mitro]

Diameter is likely the key. I like larger coils and that inherently comes with slower ramp up even with round wire.

I'm enjoying the hell out of claptons in general though. I swear I get significantly more flavor. I'm not sure if its enough to justify the additional effort though. I need to play with them some more.

 

[Soignee]

Let me ask Mitro. Are you stripping the Clapton wrap off of the tips of your legs or something? I only ask because I am leaving the wraps on when installing the coil legs to the post and I don't really notice any increase in the ramp up times at all. Could I be doing it all wrong?

Both wires do need to be installed or you will short.

I'm leaving the wraps on the legs as well. I'm not sure what we're doing differently. The one I'm using currently is a 0.5 ohm single with 32ga over 24ga (3.1mm ID/5wrap) and I have to boost it up to nearly 5 volts before I find it acceptable. Of course it may just boil down to preference and vaping style. I take short draws (generally 1 sec or so) so I want it to fire NOW!

Soignee: I was curious and did the math and found that using 32ga over 24ga should require 13.4 inches of 32ga for every inch of clapton wire.

EDIT: double checked my work and found a misplaced a decimal point on something. Corrected the length.

Time for a Temco order, that's a LOT of wire per inch man!

I'm running a one piece 2mm dual coil built to 0.4 ohms. The fact that it is one piece of wire and that it is 2mm is making the difference me thinks.

Diameter is likely the key. I like larger coils and that inherently comes with slower ramp up even with round wire.

I'm enjoying the hell out of claptons in general though. I swear I get significantly more flavor. I'm not sure if its enough to justify the additional effort though. I need to play with them some more.

I too run large ID's and they do heat much slower. It's a trade off of flavor for heat up time. There is simply more metal there to heat.

 

[distortoblotto]

The only time I run big diameter coils anymore is sometimes when I build a Kayfun or if I am in the mood to build a low ohm dripper to blow major clouds. Mostly stick to 1.5 and 2mm coils otherwise. Project for today is to rebuild the Gus Estia with triples and come to think of it, I still owe you a dual twisted/ RXW build on a Cyclone AFC brother S.

 

[Soignee]

The only time I run big diameter coils anymore is sometimes when I build a Kayfun or if I am in the mood to build a low ohm dripper to blow major clouds. Mostly stick to 1.5 and 2mm coils otherwise. Project for today is to rebuild the Gus Estia with triples and come to think of it, I still owe you a dual twisted/ RXW build on a Cyclone AFC brother S.

I have some dual twisted 28 standing by for that 3mm Rx!

 

[distortoblotto]

I have some dual twisted 28 standing by for that 3mm Rx!

Well, I already posted this one but a 3mm coil in a Cyclone is certainly a tight fit.

Twisted 28g duals are impossible without drilling out the posts. That's why I am thinking twisted 32's and 1.5mm for the dual coil build. I haven't crunched the numbers yet but I'm also thinking right around 0.6 ohms but may go with 0.8 depending on the heat factor.

 

[Soignee]

Well, I already posted this one but a 3mm coil in a Cyclone is certainly a tight fit.

Twisted 28g duals are impossible without drilling out the posts. That's why I am thinking twisted 32's and 1.5mm for the dual coil build. I haven't crunched the numbers yet but I'm also thinking right around 0.6 ohms but may go with 0.8 depending on the heat factor.

I believe I have some twisted 30 gauge in mah box as well...32 not anymore...

 

[distortoblotto]

Dual 32's @ 1.5 mm and 0.6 come out to a 4/3 wrap and 0.8 comes out to a 6/5. Should be a piece of cake.

Edit: As to where 30g's come out to 6/5 and 9/8? for the same.....