The Pelican Brief of Vaping

[JohnnyV]

In regards to the BogeGate I have a theory....what would keep Big tobacco from paying Boge to sabbotage their own product? Seriously cartomizers by Boge and Smoketech are seeing a decline in reliability and consistency. After 2 boxes of 10 cartomizers I'm about fed up. Yet after a couple of mimosa flights at Whole Foods I started thinking....what if Big tobacco paid Boge to mess up their own products, yet keep rolling out their current cartomizers.

Hmmm it's easier to push a few million dollars into Boge, bypass the FDA and anyone else that could have regulatory command over vaping. If 50% of vapers give up it's a win/win for big tobacco. Uneducated newbies will quit thus going back to cigarettes while 50% of us will know to try other cartomizers and other systems such as the Vivi Nova or anything that doesn't take a cartomizer. When you think of the big picture this could be a drop in the bucket for big tobacco as an investment but would make a significant payoff if vapers go back to smoking and thus surrender their dollars to big tobacco. Boge gets paid, holds an allied front saying nothing changed but doles out an inferior product which it still gets paid for. I can't be the only one thinking this.

 

[recidivus]

While I haven't had much exp. with cartos and am late to the party to compare, my view:

They got too big for the britches. They got a name, got a LOT of orders, and seeing a chance to cut some corners and make more money they took it. They took a gamble, and their name is still floating around as being good enough to buy. Why spend more money making quality when they can put out an inferior product without losing enough customers to hurt them?

It's just business.

 

[recidivus]

To add, unfortunately for Boge/ST, there's a LOT of new options for us vapers that perform above and beyond cartos. We are a crafty web savvy lot, word spreads pretty quickly nowadays.

 

[JohnnyV]

Yeah I read a lot of threads trying to figure out an alternate way to go. Although I hate to give up my Texas Tuff tanks I'll find something else in the meantime.

 

[recidivus]

One thing to look forward to: More competition! Someone is going to start making quality cartos again. Prices will be higher most likely but it will be worth it. Eventually when/if they get too big for their own good, someone else will step up. Go go gadget capitalism!

 

[SissySpike]

The conspiracy goes way back Its when our government caved to big business and took our jobs over seas. There is no quality control there. There is no standards you just cant imagine what its like until you've seen it. I have they don't pay the workers enough to care about what they do they make enough to pay rent and eat that's about it.
We are just starting to feel the affects but it will get worse before it gets better.

 

[JKVaper]

I am seeing more and more re-buildable Tanks recently, and noticing that this will create competition for better but more costly equipment. It will bring a better experience for everyone, so long till the goverment and FDA get their filthy hands in it.

 

[Done Deal DR]

Seems kind of tinfoil-ish hat-like IMO.

 

[Hitmetwice]

Personally I see no conspiracy here. A company grows exponentially re-tools old equipment, buys new equipment, new factories, hires new employees, all in a very short time.

Many things can go south quickly with such fast growth, in a fast changing marketplace where tomorrow something better comes out and there is no demand for their "outdated" product. Maybe I'm just being naive.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

It could be as simple as saving a penny a pound on filler material.

I use tanks 99% of the time. A third punch keeps everything nice and lubed...I haven't had a bad carto in a tank yet...but outside it was every other one tasting like .... Maybe luck, maybe that third punch.

 

[zoiDman]

Or it could be that one of Boge’s Sub-Contractors Screwed Up.

 

[toottoot]

I have used cartos for eighteen months now, the last six with varying tanks, boges are still the best...can't beat a FRESH carto loaded with Bobas

 

[Figgy]

Or it could be that one of Boge’s Sub-Contractors Screwed Up.

Yep. I don't know anything about the company at all, but I do know that many companies contract with outside manufacturing houses. I've worked for electronic device companies for quite some time. You spec something to the factory and sometimes they get a run of components where the materials don't live up to the spec sheet. Tolerances are out of line and you get a high failure rate. I've seen it happen in my own companies where the design didn't even change. The manufacturing house just got a bad run of parts or tried to lower unit costs with a cheaper version that was supposed to have the same specs. You're the name that faces the company, though. If they don't have the manpower to do a large run of QA, they might not catch it.

 

[CoonHound693]

I think I read somewhere that the big tobacco are getting into selling these products now.

 

[AuBadge]

One BT company bought 'Blu'. I guess if you can't beat 'em (up), join 'em.

 

[Z_Ghost]

In regards to the BogeGate I have a theory....what would keep Big Tobacco from paying Boge to sabbotage their own product? Seriously cartomizers by Boge and Smoketech are seeing a decline in reliability and consistency. After 2 boxes of 10 cartomizers I'm about fed up. Yet after a couple of mimosa flights at Whole Foods I started thinking....what if Big Tobacco paid Boge to mess up their own products, yet keep rolling out their current cartomizers.

Hmmm it's easier to push a few million dollars into Boge, bypass the FDA and anyone else that could have regulatory command over vaping. If 50% of vapers give up it's a win/win for big tobacco. Uneducated newbies will quit thus going back to cigarettes while 50% of us will know to try other cartomizers and other systems such as the Vivi Nova or anything that doesn't take a cartomizer. When you think of the big picture this could be a drop in the bucket for big tobacco as an investment but would make a significant payoff if vapers go back to smoking and thus surrender their dollars to big tobacco. Boge gets paid, holds an allied front saying nothing changed but doles out an inferior product which it still gets paid for. I can't be the only one thinking this.

Is this like Big Oil buying the rights to the carb that some guy built that made it possible for a car to get 100 mpg back in the 70's

 

[Rule62]

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist. I just chalk it up to the fact that the vaping community is growing every day, and that companies, even Chinese ones, will try for as long as they can, to keep up with demand without increasing their labor force. When this happens, quality usually suffers. Boge users aren't the only ones experiencing quality inconsistencies.

 

[zoiDman]

Is this like Big Oil buying the rights to the carb that some guy built that made it possible for a car to get 100 mpg back in the 70's

I believe that was the "Fish" Carburetor.

 

[recidivus]

I think I read somewhere that the big tobacco are getting into selling these products now.

Yerp, Lorillard bought Blu. I don't think they're having accounts suspended for policy violation either. Amazing how a bit of cash can lubricate the wheels.

 

[Davenkay]

Poor quality products hurt a business reputation. Even the chinese will feel the bite as it moves up the food chain. The vendor here in this country will be the first to be hurt and that is the sad part. Remember in the 70's when Chrysler and GM were selling
rust buckets"? This is when the Japanese car began it's takeover of the market. American made cars have taken years to get the quality concerns behind them.