The Provarinati Saloon

[Ladiekali]

My KF doesn't eat batteries or juice. Although I did waste juice due to piss poor builds. I kept thinking my coil was high enough until I saw a video that showed me it wasn't high enough.

I used to HATE my KF. 30 builds later I finally like it.

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Omgosh you should totally take a pic of your coil build for me!

 

[Fir3b1rd]

I was going to put together an email yesterday for everyone in the office as an educational thing to show them all how crappy it is to send people who are trying to quit/using vaping to quit out with smokers and how second hand vapor is harmless but had a hard time finding information on it. Plus, having to dive three pages deep into a Google Search when the first two all have studies showing nicotine in second hand vapor and whatever else they said was there hurts my argument..............and to clarify this, I am not saying which studies are accurate or inaccurate............just that the ones I wanted weren't in the first few pages.

I don't give a fat baby's d&*k what people think of me but I do think arguments full of logic, facts and reason will do us no good come "Vape-pocolypse"

Unless the headlines are written in a way that does not overtly compare us to smokers it won't. I said something about that yesterday
Headline I've seen "second hand vapor bit as bad as cigarette smoke" all john a public sees n there mind is "second vapor cigarette smoke"
That article could be all factual and expletive about how vaping is totally harmless but it won't matter because he headline THEY see is all that'll stick out. Sad sad sad
This is why I try and be respectful to people and courteous because I know how they feel and what they think. My folks are totally anti-smoking both of them lost a parent to ling cancer and grew up in smokers homes so they are ultra sensitive. They think the vaping is evil. No matter what I say or show them they see headlines like above and equate the two. So until something in the public eye changes we run the risk of making more enemies and we all know how the electorate works around here- whoever has the loudest voice and most money wins. BT is only a little wealthy and johns public getting ...... at all of us adds fuel to BTs fire.
Sorry but I think long term and I really enjoy vaping.


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[RebelGolfer72]

You know I'm not gonna get into this after this post I'm moving on with live and will no longer try and make a point it's to painful maybe it's where I'm from I don't know but I give up.

And just reiterate something that took me a long time to learn. Sometimes sacrificing your immediate need for self gratification in order to achieve that gratification long term is worthy cause.
I never said to stealth vape. In fact I said I was at a coffee shop sitting outside away from the cog smokers baling my lungs out. What I said was I try to tReat the general public and those around me with the same level of respect I want given to me. Hence I don't blow clouds at kids and laugh at their parents when they direct the child away from the cloud that I did not blow at them. I also do not vape indoors. I won't roll around walmart blowing a cloud out of respect for he public around me that does not know what is in that cloud .... In an effort to do my part at letting John Q. Public get educated on vaping and what it is.
How what I wrote got converted to stealth vaping is beyond me. But whatever when did we become a society that says I'm gonna do what I want and to hell with it is just above my head.


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The long and short of it is, we should not have to hide vaping from public places, and I don't hide it. However this does not mean that just because I "should be allowed" to vape anywhere I please, does not mean its a good idea. There is some gray areas, and common courtesy involved. Just as we don't want our right to vape infringed upon, those who want to eat dinner at a nice restaurant also have the right to do so without vape clouds being blown in their face. You never know if that person beside you has PG/VG sensitivities, or allergies to SOMETHING you are vaping. I use the standard of "would I smoke a cigarette here?" If the answer is yes, then I have no problem vaping. Would I do it at a concert, or in a smoky club, or at the zoo? No problem. In the elevator at work? Never. (Goes back to the "freedom of speech is not absolute- you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater.... Or yell a hello to your buddy John on the other side of an airplane ("Hi Jack!!"))

In someone else's car, they do have the right to ask you not to vape. Just like you have the right not to let someone smoke in your car. Now was it right of them to come down on you for vaping? No.

As for the at work thing, although it would be nice to vape at your desk, I can understand why vaping is not allowed (not allowed on any company property for me). Yes, we can argue that its safe. And it mostly is. But for a company to institute a "no tobacco" policy (complain as much as you want, but it does affect your health insurance rates). But where vaping gets in to "gray areas" here, and why they ban it as well: First, many e-juices contain nicotine and or flavorings that are from tobacco. Hard to police that, but the policy is no tobacco. Secondly, even for someone who has completely quit cigs and vapes exclusively, if something happens that you couldn't vape tomorrow, chances are, you would buy a pack of cigarettes. Another point is that you would have a lot of people who would vape at work, but still chain smoke, so the person is still at higher risk for tobacco use related health issues. But then there is the other point that one could actually burn tobacco with a personal vaporizer. In other words, even if I don't agree with company policy against vaping, I do understand the point.

As a side note on appearances..all of the vapers I know in real life would not fit in the stereotypes. Most of us are in or very close to six-figure income, wear the "khakis and polo shirt", and don't have any tattoos (at least visible in normal work clothing). But the funny thing is, I can go into a local vape shop in work clothes, and hold a conversation with someone who fits the "stereotype" of the skater/motocross/goth looking dude who is blowing clouds so thick you can't see 3 feet in front of you in the shop. -- and that person, like most vapers, is genuinely interested in hearing which mods and toppers and juice you use, and why you have the setup you do. And he shares his build tricks and tips with you. Unfortunately, the general public doesn't get to see that side of vaping...


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[Fir3b1rd]

The long and short of it is, we should not have to hide vaping from public places, and I don't hide it. However this does not mean that just because I "should be allowed" to vape anywhere I please, does not mean its a good idea. There is some gray areas, and common courtesy involved. Just as we don't want our right to vape infringed upon, those who want to eat dinner at a nice restaurant also have the right to do so without vape clouds being blown in their face. You never know if that person beside you has PG/VG sensitivities, or allergies to SOMETHING you are vaping. I use the standard of "would I smoke a cigarette here?" If the answer is yes, then I have no problem vaping. Would I do it at a concert, or in a smoky club, or at the zoo? No problem. In the elevator at work? Never. (Goes back to the "freedom of speech is not absolute- you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater.... Or yell a hello to your buddy John on the other side of an airplane ("Hi Jack!!"))

In someone else's car, they do have the right to ask you not to vape. Just like you have the right not to let someone smoke in your car. Now was it right of them to come down on you for vaping? No.

As for the at work thing, although it would be nice to vape at your desk, I can understand why vaping is not allowed (not allowed on any company property for me). Yes, we can argue that its safe. And it mostly is. But for a company to institute a "no tobacco" policy (complain as much as you want, but it does affect your health insurance rates). But where vaping gets in to "gray areas" here, and why they ban it as well: First, many e-juices contain nicotine and or flavorings that are from tobacco. Hard to police that, but the policy is no tobacco. Secondly, even for someone who has completely quit cigs and vapes exclusively, if something happens that you couldn't vape tomorrow, chances are, you would buy a pack of cigarettes. Another point is that you would have a lot of people who would vape at work, but still chain smoke, so the person is still at higher risk for tobacco use related health issues. But then there is the other point that one could actually burn tobacco with a personal vaporizer. In other words, even if I don't agree with company policy against vaping, I do understand the point.

As a side note on appearances..all of the vapers I know in real life would not fit in the stereotypes. Most of us are in or very close to six-figure income, wear the "khakis and polo shirt", and don't have any tattoos (at least visible in normal work clothing). But the funny thing is, I can go into a local vape shop in work clothes, and hold a conversation with someone who fits the "stereotype" of the skater/motocross/goth looking dude who is blowing clouds so thick you can't see 3 feet in front of you in the shop. -- and that person, like most vapers, is genuinely interested in hearing which mods and toppers and juice you use, and why you have the setup you do. And he shares his build tricks and tips with you. Unfortunately, the general public doesn't get to see that side of vaping...


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Thank you thank you was beginning to think I was crazy for my common sense hat to work the way it does
As for the appearance thing again I don't look like a stereotypical engineer. I was in a fairly popular heavy metal band once upon a time. And I look more like I should be on stage still-minus the wheelchair. I totally meant that comment as a joke and to mock the young family that all looked like "old navy" mannequins the store not armed service division. (Did a poor job at getting that across for that I do apologize)
Yet I stand behind my belief that respectfulness and courteousness should be practiced by vapors especially with the current state of political affairs that we face .... I dare someone to take my right to vape away.


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[TheKiwi]

Well. My authentic kfl v2 doesn't fit the zna30. The 510 connection sits too deep in. Grumbles >: (


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[Fir3b1rd]

Well. My authentic kfl v2 doesn't fit the zna30. The 510 connection sits too deep in. Grumbles >: (


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I thought that was the one with adjustable screw at the bottom?
Is there a way to use a screw that can be backed out a bit? Or maybe a vtr type extension?


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[TheKiwi]

HA kidding.

I just realize that the 510 connection can be adjusted at 2 parts. All is good now my apologies. I was all overly excited and got a little silly.


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[drummerskey]

The long and short of it is, we should not have to hide vaping from public places, and I don't hide it. However this does not mean that just because I "should be allowed" to vape anywhere I please, does not mean its a good idea. There is some gray areas, and common courtesy involved. Just as we don't want our right to vape infringed upon, those who want to eat dinner at a nice restaurant also have the right to do so without vape clouds being blown in their face. You never know if that person beside you has PG/VG sensitivities, or allergies to SOMETHING you are vaping. I use the standard of "would I smoke a cigarette here?" If the answer is yes, then I have no problem vaping. Would I do it at a concert, or in a smoky club, or at the zoo? No problem. In the elevator at work? Never. (Goes back to the "freedom of speech is not absolute- you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater.... Or yell a hello to your buddy John on the other side of an airplane ("Hi Jack!!"))

In someone else's car, they do have the right to ask you not to vape. Just like you have the right not to let someone smoke in your car. Now was it right of them to come down on you for vaping? No.

As for the at work thing, although it would be nice to vape at your desk, I can understand why vaping is not allowed (not allowed on any company property for me). Yes, we can argue that its safe. And it mostly is. But for a company to institute a "no tobacco" policy (complain as much as you want, but it does affect your health insurance rates). But where vaping gets in to "gray areas" here, and why they ban it as well: First, many e-juices contain nicotine and or flavorings that are from tobacco. Hard to police that, but the policy is no tobacco. Secondly, even for someone who has completely quit cigs and vapes exclusively, if something happens that you couldn't vape tomorrow, chances are, you would buy a pack of cigarettes. Another point is that you would have a lot of people who would vape at work, but still chain smoke, so the person is still at higher risk for tobacco use related health issues. But then there is the other point that one could actually burn tobacco with a personal vaporizer. In other words, even if I don't agree with company policy against vaping, I do understand the point.

As a side note on appearances..all of the vapers I know in real life would not fit in the stereotypes. Most of us are in or very close to six-figure income, wear the "khakis and polo shirt", and don't have any tattoos (at least visible in normal work clothing). But the funny thing is, I can go into a local vape shop in work clothes, and hold a conversation with someone who fits the "stereotype" of the skater/motocross/goth looking dude who is blowing clouds so thick you can't see 3 feet in front of you in the shop. -- and that person, like most vapers, is genuinely interested in hearing which mods and toppers and juice you use, and why you have the setup you do. And he shares his build tricks and tips with you. Unfortunately, the general public doesn't get to see that side of vaping...


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Well, if we are waxing philosophical on the subject................

I don't hide what I do where I feel it is appropriate. I am sure that everyone's definition of "appropriate" varies slightly from one person to the next but I am sure we would all agree on where for the most part. Actually, when someone gets into my car, I ask them if they mind if I vape. It a matter of manners to me, not that I care honestly; but I was raised to be polite.

For the work thing with my company; I am ...... that ..... bag complainers whined about it. I do understand a "company policy" and the benefits for a company from a healthcare cost and all but none of this applies to this situation. The owner of the building we lease has a "No Tobacco" policy and the owner told me directly that people complained about my vaping in my office and it was an easy solution.........not that he cared what the building owner's policy was, that is stopped the people from whining.

I am a grown up and pretty much #3 in my company (two owners and then me) so as a manager, I cannot buck the system because it gives others unspoken permission to do the same but I can be secretly ...... off that people with their own issues, vices, bad habits can complain and get their way while I, in my infinite wisdom, feel that if their vices, issues and bad habits don't bother me directly; it isn't my business.

For the general public, I am a huge cynic and I really do feel that it doesn't matter what we do. Your ability to vape anywhere you cannot smoke is going away at some point. The cost of vaping is going to increase whether that be by regulations, taxes or both. It is sad but I don't think the people have the power any longer unless you are the whining minority. And just like at my work, it is easier to appease the complainers so they stop rather than try to argue the point. You can agree or disagree but I think our political representatives are more concerned about their pockets than you.

 

[lulu836]

Strongest premade still around here is 6mg, I haven't used nic in my DIY since last summer. Anybody that's been vaping very long ought to be down to zero nic if they actully did want to kick the habit IMO.

Oh........wait.....were you being serious?​

 

[Simply Red]

Oops ignore this

Consider it ignored.

 

[Simply Red]

HEEHEEHEE

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Someone seems very happy! Nice!

 

[Simply Red]

Most of us are in or very close to six-figure income, wear the "khakis and polo shirt", and don't have any tattoos (at least visible in normal work clothing).

Ummmm....Are you guys hiring by any chance??

 

[xstitch]

Yep. I was keeping count.
I had moments of wanting to throw it out the window. Instead I'd give it a rest for a few days then come back to it.

During those times of rest I'd watch videos to see if I could learn something different then what every other video was showing.

The one that helped me for height was done by MadVapes.

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That video confused me. Not on how high the coil should be but how he oriented the coil. I thought the wick or cotton was supposed to go down toward the groves and not over the screws??


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[Fir3b1rd]

Well, if we are waxing philosophical on the subject................

I don't hide what I do where I feel it is appropriate. I am sure that everyone's definition of "appropriate" varies slightly from one person to the next but I am sure we would all agree on where for the most part. Actually, when someone gets into my car, I ask them if they mind if I vape. It a matter of manners to me, not that I care honestly; but I was raised to be polite.

For the work thing with my company; I am ...... that ..... bag complainers whined about it. I do understand a "company policy" and the benefits for a company from a healthcare cost and all but none of this applies to this situation. The owner of the building we lease has a "No Tobacco" policy and the owner told me directly that people complained about my vaping in my office and it was an easy solution.........not that he cared what the building owner's policy was, that is stopped the people from whining.

I am a grown up and pretty much #3 in my company (two owners and then me) so as a manager, I cannot buck the system because it gives others unspoken permission to do the same but I can be secretly ...... off that people with their own issues, vices, bad habits can complain and get their way while I, in my infinite wisdom, feel that if their vices, issues and bad habits don't bother me directly; it isn't my business.

For the general public, I am a huge cynic and I really do feel that it doesn't matter what we do. Your ability to vape anywhere you cannot smoke is going away at some point. The cost of vaping is going to increase whether that be by regulations, taxes or both. It is sad but I don't think the people have the power any longer unless you are the whining minority. And just like at my work, it is easier to appease the complainers so they stop rather than try to argue the point. You can agree or disagree but I think our political representatives are more concerned about their pockets than you.

Without a doubt on the political front- the biz front mixed feelings- I used to own my business and was in the restaurant business and was a Pepsi driver all three roles had three different rules. And up until recently I was only responsible for me so again my behavior is a little more amenable to "general office style workforce"
As far as the politicians thing goes thankfully for us the political machine can sometimes operate a little slow so I hope we have a few more yeArs before the tax man. Big picture I see is until Uncle Sam gets there way more news and BS will be in the media making is out to look bad.
I just wish people wouldn't take my view point as I'm mother Hubbard saying not to vape in public. I'm saying use common sense and be courteous so that when the news and politicians make us out to be bad so that most of the public doesn't think that we deserve a tax they say"I ran into that nice man/woman that time and it actually had kind of a nice smell" rather than say to themself "those jerks blew smoke all over my wife and my kid"

Can anyone else's see the difference in the publics eye?
Politics does still work but I fortunately the louder voices win. I don't want to give any reason for that other voice to be as loud as BT, And why don't i want that voice loud(Er)?
Because I enjoy vaping in public, in the car, T the coffee shop, and on campus, soon at work maybe not at my desk but where and when I can



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[Fir3b1rd]

Ummmm....Are you guys hiring by any chance??

Yeah where y'all at? tattoo on arm not very visible in shorts leaves ok

Looking for electrical engineers?
Can do drafting (cad and inventor)
3d printing
Circuit design and analysis
Soldering

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[Kn0ttYFive]

...Can anyone else's see the difference in the publics eye?
Politics does still work but I fortunately the louder voices win. I don't want to give any reason for that other voice to be as loud as BT, And why don't i want that voice loud(Er)?
Because I enjoy vaping in public, in the car, T the coffee shop, and on campus, soon at work maybe not at my desk but where and when I can

Yes, common sense is key.

 

[RebelGolfer72]

Well, if we are waxing philosophical on the subject................

I don't hide what I do where I feel it is appropriate. I am sure that everyone's definition of "appropriate" varies slightly from one person to the next but I am sure we would all agree on where for the most part. Actually, when someone gets into my car, I ask them if they mind if I vape. It a matter of manners to me, not that I care honestly; but I was raised to be polite.

For the work thing with my company; I am ...... that ..... bag complainers whined about it. I do understand a "company policy" and the benefits for a company from a healthcare cost and all but none of this applies to this situation. The owner of the building we lease has a "No Tobacco" policy and the owner told me directly that people complained about my vaping in my office and it was an easy solution.........not that he cared what the building owner's policy was, that is stopped the people from whining.

I am a grown up and pretty much #3 in my company (two owners and then me) so as a manager, I cannot buck the system because it gives others unspoken permission to do the same but I can be secretly ...... off that people with their own issues, vices, bad habits can complain and get their way while I, in my infinite wisdom, feel that if their vices, issues and bad habits don't bother me directly; it isn't my business.

For the general public, I am a huge cynic and I really do feel that it doesn't matter what we do. Your ability to vape anywhere you cannot smoke is going away at some point. The cost of vaping is going to increase whether that be by regulations, taxes or both. It is sad but I don't think the people have the power any longer unless you are the whining minority. And just like at my work, it is easier to appease the complainers so they stop rather than try to argue the point. You can agree or disagree but I think our political representatives are more concerned about their pockets than you.

I agree, we can all be mad about the current state of things. Id love to vape at my desk. But it is what it is.

I agree on courtesy. Unfortunately it is not always reciprocated. Like someone posted about the friend who don't allow vaping in their car, and then lectures the person. That is just wrong... If I give the person the respect by doing as they wish in their car/home and not vaping- return the courtesy and not lecture me.

Then again being old, I remember a different time. Like when I was a smoker, and when going out with friends, whom the majority were non-smokers, they would sit in smoking section for me... They have me that respect, and I gave them the respect of not lighting up while they ate, and didn't blow smoke in their face.

I also believe those who whine the most are the ones with other issues- where they feel the need to bully others around. Or they are looking for the easiest way to get out of actually having to work... So they get these nice complaints in order, and if the company doesn't kiss their butts, they run to the media and or attorney and go for the settlement


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[Fir3b1rd]

I agree, we can all be mad about the current state of things. Id love to vape at my desk. But it is what it is.

I agree on courtesy. Unfortunately it is not always reciprocated. Like someone posted about the friend who don't allow vaping in their car, and then lectures the person. That is just wrong... If I give the person the respect by doing as they wish in their car/home and not vaping- return the courtesy and not lecture me.

Then again being old, I remember a different time. Like when I was a smoker, and when going out with friends, whom the majority were non-smokers, they would sit in smoking section for me... They have me that respect, and I gave them the respect of not lighting up while they ate, and didn't blow smoke in their face.

Exactly but I see the lecture as a missed opportunity. Big fan of learning opportunities- deal with them all day as a para. People see me driving a sports car- they hatin lol- couldn't help it.
But seriously that when I would politely reciprocate as requested and return the lecture with facts and when/if that didn't work a simple statement of prove it- show me where vegetable glycerine is toxic. All the while making the point that I respect your request and will not vape in your car but here is why it's good not bad- the media is a huge machine that we all have to do our part to at minimum slow down and hopefully stop. It's our issue to with and the best way to deal with it is to rechannel that anger into a positive outlet to help each other.
The last few years as I've tried to get my life back since getting out in the chair I've had to do my fair share of channeling and if I can do it from that there is no reason we as a group of people with the same hobby and enjoyment can't make sure we can still enjoy it- publicly and privately but we have to do it smartly and respectfully also. I've had enough taken don't think this is gonna work- .......ized government insert colorful language here

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[TheKiwi]

Someone seems very happy! Nice!

Heh you should've seen me. I was literally trembling from excitement. Had to do the unboxing on my bed cos I was afraid I would drop it. Heheheh


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