I believe their newest pv has an e-liquid conversion.
http://thermovape.force.com/IdaSearch?menuItem=E-LIQUID
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I believe their newest pv has an e-liquid conversion.
http://thermovape.force.com/IdaSearch?menuItem=E-LIQUID
Ok... Very long thread, and despite the fact it does sound very very interesting, I do not have the time right now to go through it...
So could anyone please summarize it a bit?
Meaning... What are the options... Pyrex; Ceramics; Quartz tubes !? Pros and Cons? And also: I've read in a connected thread there may have been a few suggestions here which translated into possible danger... So, is it 100% safe? Meaning... Is there a chance of glass shattering or similar or some other risk here?
Dan... Other Gurus in the house !?
Please fill me in...
So could anyone please summarize it a bit?
Meaning... What are the options... Pyrex; Ceramics; Quartz tubes !? Pros and Cons? And also: I've read in a connected thread there may have been a few suggestions here which translated into possible danger... So, is it 100% safe? Meaning... Is there a chance of glass shattering or similar or some other risk here?
Dan... Other Gurus in the house !?
Please fill me in...
Well, it was new to me. Was there a follow-on, telling or showing how well it worked with a wick? Would oxidizing an SS mesh wick in water/baking soda solution be better/more consistent than water alone? Or would it 'hinder' the wicking ability 'buring' the salt onto the mesh? Oops - if this is too off topic - sorry, it just perked my interest.
I tried this some time back when i first started using rba's...It works but tastes funny. I however did not give it much time to break in before I scrapped it. I thought the baking soda was the reason but on second thought it probably just needed to season more.
I bet a ceramic powder coating would work well on a coil once its formed...kinda like the enameling. Gonna do some surfing on home techniques.
BTW I got a 12" length of noporous ceramic today (3mm od 2mm id .5mm wall) I'll let ya'll know how it goes.
BTW I got a 12" length of noporous ceramic today (3mm od 2mm id .5mm wall) I'll let ya'll know how it goes.
I remember him saying he would let us know when to PM him - did I miss it?
Ok... Very long thread, and despite the fact it does sound very very interesting, I do not have the time right now to go through it...
So could anyone please summarize it a bit?
Meaning... What are the options... Pyrex; Ceramics; Quartz tubes !? Pros and Cons? And also: I've read in a connected thread there may have been a few suggestions here which translated into possible danger... So, is it 100% safe? Meaning... Is there a chance of glass shattering or similar or some other risk here?
Dan... Other Gurus in the house !?
Please fill me in...
The idear is to use a glass tube(fused quartz has been deemed the safest method) over a steel mesh wick, then wrapping the coil around the glass tube thus electrically isolating the coil and the wick. The coil will heat the tube thus heating the wick inside to vaporize the liquid.
Only a few have got the orders of the tubes and started doing tests. about 80 of the pages on this thread are filled with "think-tank" suggestions and options while folks were waiting for tubes.
Some have recently received tubes and commenced testing. Vapor tends to come from the end of the tube and air hole placement IMHO is the number one concern with optimal vapor production as current atomizers out have air holes that are far too low on the coil for this type of setup.
Seems that the bulk of results of peoples testing should be happening very soon.
That's about what I've got from my full day of reading today. I have yet to try anything but I do have some tubing on the way.
Thanks man but I went ahead and ordered some. I don't think I'll need 4ft of the tube and I would be willing to cut some up and send out some also once I get it.
Do you have any idea what the thermal conductivity is on the ceramic tube? Pyrex is about 1 W/mK.....I have seen some machinable ceramic as high as 3 or 4 I think
Use your diamond cutting wheel, ceramic is pretty tough stuff.
Ha! and I said I would keep my mouth shut....
To Revolver I agree w spraintz that FQ or Fused Quartz is likely the way to go....I'm curious beings the vapor streams from Dans vids look similar if this is not something Raidy was toying w at some point due to similarity in the way the vapor is practically ejected from the end of the wick like in some of the pictures....either way it looks VERY PROMISING especially if combined w a microcontroller regulated mod if a specific program is made simply for this design w an initial spike of higher voltage to overcome the few seconds of warmup it initially needs...after warmup the vapor looks really good and likely taste will be dramatically improved once all the kinks are worked out due to the lack of contact of the coil w the juice...its a shame I have no Idea where he got that cute lil atty tank in the first place...as to safety...hmmm wear safety glasses if you fire w the cap off and put a small piece of mesh in the DT...U know I will...
and bapgood one of the problems w using ceramic for this purpose even IF we find one that is more thermally conductive than the Pyrex or FQ is most ceramics I know of are porus which means it will suck up juice and that "could"(don't quote me I might be wrong)increase chances of the wick attaching itself to the coil sleeve...one of the advantages of this really is the ease of changing your juice and the wick on the fly...THATS what caught my attention...thats a huge plus in my book
To Revolver I agree w spraintz that FQ or Fused Quartz is likely the way to go....I'm curious beings the vapor streams from Dans vids look similar if this is not something Raidy was toying w at some point due to similarity in the way the vapor is practically ejected from the end of the wick like in some of the pictures....either way it looks VERY PROMISING especially if combined w a microcontroller regulated mod if a specific program is made simply for this design w an initial spike of higher voltage to overcome the few seconds of warmup it initially needs...after warmup the vapor looks really good and likely taste will be dramatically improved once all the kinks are worked out due to the lack of contact of the coil w the juice...its a shame I have no Idea where he got that cute lil atty tank in the first place...as to safety...hmmm wear safety glasses if you fire w the cap off and put a small piece of mesh in the DT...U know I will...
and bapgood one of the problems w using ceramic for this purpose even IF we find one that is more thermally conductive than the Pyrex or FQ is most ceramics I know of are porus which means it will suck up juice and that "could"(don't quote me I might be wrong)increase chances of the wick attaching itself to the coil sleeve...one of the advantages of this really is the ease of changing your juice and the wick on the fly...THATS what caught my attention...thats a huge plus in my book
spraintz, TBinAZ,
If either of you happen to have any scraps that would be the right size for use on a DuD with a standard wick hole (tube under coil only) I'd be interested in that. I don't have the tools or expertise to safely cut up the tube myself. Not a big deal either way, just let me know when the time comes.
I didn't find anything in the Wikapedia suggesting volume with a Siemen, nor any description of S/m. But just in the sense that a piece of Kanthal is rated in Ω/m - the defining point being the gauge or cross-sectional area. So it does seem that some type of cross-sectional area has to be involved with it. I just don't know...not enough information, yet.
But I've beat this dead horse for too long - it's time to leave my off-topic stuff out of the thread and get back to the main idea. Sorry guys for cluttering it up...
Yeah the porous stuff would be a PITA but the stuff I have is like porcelain. I would compare it to the ceramic cups that are already used in alot of atomizers. It doesn't absorb liquid. Its extremely hard! I don't have diamond to score it with so I've got to wait to test- sorry folks
I also only have 32 awg to work with and I think 28 would be better...but we'll see tomorrow. I don't have the specs on ceramic but I've seen the pellet burners that are made of ceramic and thought it might work.I don't have diamond to score it with so I've got to wait to test- sorry folks
Yeah, it's hard - if you have a dremel, Harbor Freight has some diamond cut-off wheels. I tried cutting some once with the regular cut-off wheel - it didn't even put a mark in it, only got hot and busted the wheel.
Dont feel bad Poodles...I'm working w old school gen materials too...I see all the 500 625 and so on mes and the diff types of kanthal used and all I can do is dream...lol...and good point about the CE2 cups...that is a non porous type of ceramic I didn't think of...I don't have anything to measure its thermal properties...although I do have someone who can test it to find out what type of ceramic it is....unless someone chimes in I may have to make a few calls
So far everyone who has responded is in on this. Just want to say that I appreciate all of the offers of helping with shipping etc, and the kudos to boot. Ya'll are a cool crowd. We will get this done, but there are still a few variables at hand. When it will get here, when I'll have it ready to ship out, and how much will be left. Stay tuned...
The video of that dude's pipe was pretty amazing I must say.
Nice to see you on-board with this spraintz. How much tube did you get on the way? Oh, never mind, I see 4ft.
The video of that dude's pipe was pretty amazing I must say.
Nice to see you on-board with this spraintz. How much tube did you get on the way? Oh, never mind, I see 4ft.
I seem to remember Raidy saying his new design could be used with or without a coil.
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