The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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Biggest difference is price: SI= $7.50 for 10ml vs. Bloog= $10.00 ($4.95 for 5ml), and SI's shipping is cheaper.
SI has the 30ml bottles on order, not sure what the pricing will be.
SI makes no claim that their juices are custom; Bloog claims everything they offer is custom
As always, thanks for the review.
Yesterdays lab test---where I compared Smokeless Image Liquid Volt RY4 to Bloog RY4 and concluded that they were identical---got me thinking: How many of the RY4s on our current list (and how many others not on the list) are juices sold pre-mixed straight from Chinese factories, without any vendor input as to ingredients or recipe mix?
While I dont know the answer, I did receive a PM recently from a poster on this thread (who shall remain nameless out of respect for his privacy) who asserted that all of Vaportalks juices (including Dulcis, with its #1 ranking) were, in fact, straight-from-the-factory Chinese pre-mix. Im not in a position to judge the truth of that assertion, but that PM and yesterdays test aroused my curiosity about Chinese juice production facilities.
A Google search for Chinese E-Liquid Manufacturers resulted in the following list, which I compiled from various sites. The list is almost certainly not complete---its just what I could assemble easily as an ordinary vaper with internet access, rather than an industry insider.
I offer the list here on the RY4 thread because the only Chinese juice company that is routinely mentioned on ECF is Dekang. For instance, people who know a little of the history of RY4 tend to presume that Dekang "invented" RY4, but that widely-held assumption was recently shattered here on this thread with the revelation that Janty's owner Ludo created the original RY4. In addition, Hangsen claims to be the largest manufacturer of e-liquids in the world. Obviously, there's more going on here than meets the eye, so this list is merely a first attempt at fleshing out the landscape.
Ive listed the better-known companies first (meaning known here on ECF), followed by many others that are more obscure to American vapers. Some of those lesser names might be marketing or distribution companies rather than original manufacturers. I cant tell.
Notice that many companies official titles are prefaced by the name of the city where the company is located, the most common of which is Shenzhen, a coastal city on mainland China in the southern province of Guangdong. Over the past two decades, Shenzhen has become a major industrial center, designated in China as a Special Economic Zone, now one of the fastest growing cities in the world, according to Wikipedia.
Current population of Shenzhen (metropolitan and surrounding adminstrative areas) is estimated to be 18 million people, the majority of which are industrial workers. That harkens back to the working America of the 1940s, except for Shenzhens humongous size---more than twice as large as any American city back then, and dwarfing the industrial output of American cities today. And yet, Shenzhen is only one of 25 similar cities in China. For better or worse, China is indeed the 800-lb. gorilla of the global economy, and a primary factor in this young vaping industry.
Yunnan Changning Dekang Biotechnology Co., Ltd. (YNDK)
Shenzhen Joye Technology Co., Ltd. (Joyetech)
Hangsen Holding Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Bauway Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Boge Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Sailebao Technology Co., Ltd. (SLB)
Shenzhen Smok Technology Co., Ltd. (SmokTech)
Shenzhen HELLO Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Best Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
BestEcig Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
A&P Group Technology Co., Ltd.
Apoloe Technology Co.,Ltd.
Everbright Technologies Co., Ltd.
Eyerain Technology & Industry Co., Ltd.
First Union Group--Electronic Cigarette Dept.
HongKong Ztai Industry Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen AHK Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Buddy Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Jieshibo Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Siken 3D Digitizing Co., Ltd.
Shining Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
Winait Technologies Limited
Zemay Technology (HK) Co., Ltd.
While I dont know the answer, I did receive a PM recently from a poster on this thread (who shall remain nameless out of respect for his privacy) who asserted that all of Vaportalks juices (including Dulcis, with its #1 ranking) were, in fact, straight-from-the-factory Chinese pre-mix. Im not in a position to judge the truth of that assertion, but that PM and yesterdays test aroused my curiosity about Chinese juice production facilities.
A Google search for Chinese E-Liquid Manufacturers resulted in the following list, which I compiled from various sites. The list is almost certainly not complete---its just what I could assemble easily as an ordinary vaper with internet access, rather than an industry insider.
I offer the list here on the RY4 thread because the only Chinese juice company that is routinely mentioned on ECF is Dekang. For instance, people who know a little of the history of RY4 tend to presume that Dekang "invented" RY4, but that widely-held assumption was recently shattered here on this thread with the revelation that Janty's owner Ludo created the original RY4. In addition, Hangsen claims to be the largest manufacturer of e-liquids in the world. Obviously, there's more going on here than meets the eye, so this list is merely a first attempt at fleshing out the landscape.
Ive listed the better-known companies first (meaning known here on ECF), followed by many others that are more obscure to American vapers. Some of those lesser names might be marketing or distribution companies rather than original manufacturers. I cant tell.
Notice that many companies official titles are prefaced by the name of the city where the company is located, the most common of which is Shenzhen, a coastal city on mainland China in the southern province of Guangdong. Over the past two decades, Shenzhen has become a major industrial center, designated in China as a Special Economic Zone, now one of the fastest growing cities in the world, according to Wikipedia.
Current population of Shenzhen (metropolitan and surrounding adminstrative areas) is estimated to be 18 million people, the majority of which are industrial workers. That harkens back to the working America of the 1940s, except for Shenzhens humongous size---more than twice as large as any American city back then, and dwarfing the industrial output of American cities today. And yet, Shenzhen is only one of 25 similar cities in China. For better or worse, China is indeed the 800-lb. gorilla of the global economy, and a primary factor in this young vaping industry.
Yunnan Changning Dekang Biotechnology Co., Ltd. (YNDK)
Shenzhen Joye Technology Co., Ltd. (Joyetech)
Hangsen Holding Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Bauway Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Boge Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Sailebao Technology Co., Ltd. (SLB)
Shenzhen Smok Technology Co., Ltd. (SmokTech)
Shenzhen HELLO Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Best Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
BestEcig Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
A&P Group Technology Co., Ltd.
Apoloe Technology Co.,Ltd.
Everbright Technologies Co., Ltd.
Eyerain Technology & Industry Co., Ltd.
First Union Group--Electronic Cigarette Dept.
HongKong Ztai Industry Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen AHK Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Buddy Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Jieshibo Technology Co., Ltd.
Shenzhen Siken 3D Digitizing Co., Ltd.
Shining Electronic Technology Co., Ltd.
Winait Technologies Limited
Zemay Technology (HK) Co., Ltd.
Great post Bill! Never knew all of that and it's great info to know. I always wondered about the original ry-4 that has been raved about and want to try it. But, I guess that's not going to be possible and yes. China is definitely leading the way for e-cig technology as the creator and innovator of such products.
Can't wait to see how everything will evolve in the next 10 yrs.
Can't wait to see how everything will evolve in the next 10 yrs.
I would say that China certainly deserve credit for the advent of e-cigs and early development. Now there's more innovation coming from right here, including juices and many designs for items such as vv, tanks, juice feeding etc that is now being copied (stolen) by Chinese (and other) manufacturers. Many modders have stopped posting on the board about their creations because of this. One US manufacturer has filed for a patent regarding variable voltage, though he actually got the idea right from these boards. Personally, I think he's trying to obtain it with an eye to selling it when Big Tobacco enters the fray.
Right now it is kind of like the wild west. As the market gets bigger and FDA gets it's act together classifying it as a tobacco product the landscape could change. I'm concerned that in the future some of the small juice vendors might not be able to stay as producers and many of the great, hand-crafted juices may not be available.
I've tasted some DIY flavors that were good though not as good as the best juices and I'm sure many of our suppliers started out that way, but I don't know if I'd ever be able to make a juice as well as any of my favorites. So I haven't gone down that road, but many think we should be honing our skills now.
There could come a time where we talk about tasting the original (Boba's Bounty) (insert any other flavor here).
Right now it is kind of like the wild west. As the market gets bigger and FDA gets it's act together classifying it as a tobacco product the landscape could change. I'm concerned that in the future some of the small juice vendors might not be able to stay as producers and many of the great, hand-crafted juices may not be available.
I've tasted some DIY flavors that were good though not as good as the best juices and I'm sure many of our suppliers started out that way, but I don't know if I'd ever be able to make a juice as well as any of my favorites. So I haven't gone down that road, but many think we should be honing our skills now.
There could come a time where we talk about tasting the original (Boba's Bounty) (insert any other flavor here).
Ceegary,
I'm with you on the DIY thing. I've played with DIY some myself---my database tells me that I have 118 bottles of flavorings or concentrates sitting in their own little multi-drawer cabinet, along with a stash of liquid nic and big bottles of PG and VG---but nothing I've ever made from scratch is as good as any of my Top 50 preferred juices bought from vendors. Not even close. I've pretty much given up even trying.
I do continue to occasionally mix already made juices with some success---today I'm vaping Bluemist Robacco (which I hadn't touched for many months) mixed with NiteLite Vanilla, and it's darned good---but my efforts with standard flavorings for juices made from scratch have been mostly a bust.
The suppliers who provide juices and the vendors who mix their own have my admiration and gratitude. Sure, I've bought my share of juices that weren't to my taste, and some that were downright dreadful, but the percentage of winners has been surprisingly high. However these folks do it, I'm impressed.
I'm with you on the DIY thing. I've played with DIY some myself---my database tells me that I have 118 bottles of flavorings or concentrates sitting in their own little multi-drawer cabinet, along with a stash of liquid nic and big bottles of PG and VG---but nothing I've ever made from scratch is as good as any of my Top 50 preferred juices bought from vendors. Not even close. I've pretty much given up even trying.
I do continue to occasionally mix already made juices with some success---today I'm vaping Bluemist Robacco (which I hadn't touched for many months) mixed with NiteLite Vanilla, and it's darned good---but my efforts with standard flavorings for juices made from scratch have been mostly a bust.
The suppliers who provide juices and the vendors who mix their own have my admiration and gratitude. Sure, I've bought my share of juices that weren't to my taste, and some that were downright dreadful, but the percentage of winners has been surprisingly high. However these folks do it, I'm impressed.
Good to know. Been on my list and just moved up. His name is Andrew and seems to be a really cool guy. Got a 10ml of Clint Vapewood for like $2 on a special he was running which I also want to buy again. Has sales often too; check Deals and Steals.
So the Janty "Classic" is the 'RY4', correct?
He's running a special right now, I think until Sunday and he is a good guy. A pack of Boge cartos, with a free 5ml juice runs just $6.30, his shipping is very reasonable and he has a coupon code ECF5OFF for $5 off a first order. I've tried some of his juices and like them.
Get some Janty RY4 and you will be very close to the original which I vaped for the better part of a year.
I know nothing of the original, but I know Joogler's is just above BWB in my top three. I keep hoping billherbst revisits it and it starts climbing. I am going to order a 30ml of it before Sunday, or maybe order a few packs of cartos and just keep picking Joogler's Blend as the freebee.
I was perhapes a little hasty in my slight dismissal / disappointment in the janty RY4 before, I suggested it was overly sutble and not quite as a sweet as bills list might have suggested. I'm going to have to retract this, I'm vaping it now some weeks later and it's actually quite sweet indeed.
It has a beautiful smoothness to it on the inhale and exhale. That initial inhale fills the mouth with a sweetness which could almost be over sweet if not for a dry tobacco flavour which follows quickly to the forefront. There isn't much vanilla there, but I find vanilla a sutble flavour in most blends, even my FSUSA vanilla extreme isn't very strong to me!
No, I stand corrected on janty RY4, it's a beautiful vape, deliciously smooth and the very definition of a all day vape for me now.
So what changed? I'm not exactly sure. Perhapes it was a flavour change from 2 weeks steeping, maybe the change up to a rivia 3.7 volt 510 over a TW mega Titan 510? Not that it should really make any difference, I've also switched out from a traditional CE2 clearomizer and instead filled a array tank mod with CE2 innards.
I have a new problem now of course, that being: a 5ml array tank mod looks utterly ridiculous on a pen style titan or rivia 510... I might have to look at some of the bigger tubes around, a provari, prodigy, silver bullet or omega perhapes?
It has a beautiful smoothness to it on the inhale and exhale. That initial inhale fills the mouth with a sweetness which could almost be over sweet if not for a dry tobacco flavour which follows quickly to the forefront. There isn't much vanilla there, but I find vanilla a sutble flavour in most blends, even my FSUSA vanilla extreme isn't very strong to me!
No, I stand corrected on janty RY4, it's a beautiful vape, deliciously smooth and the very definition of a all day vape for me now.
So what changed? I'm not exactly sure. Perhapes it was a flavour change from 2 weeks steeping, maybe the change up to a rivia 3.7 volt 510 over a TW mega Titan 510? Not that it should really make any difference, I've also switched out from a traditional CE2 clearomizer and instead filled a array tank mod with CE2 innards.
I have a new problem now of course, that being: a 5ml array tank mod looks utterly ridiculous on a pen style titan or rivia 510... I might have to look at some of the bigger tubes around, a provari, prodigy, silver bullet or omega perhapes?
zombite,
"Delivery systems" (meaning power source and method of atomization) do seem to make a huge difference. I've never vaped a penstyle or 3.2V eGo. I started on a 3.7V Riva eGo clone, which lasted all of a week before I started going crazy buying mod PVs. 10 months and 25 mods later, I can say with assurance that nothing I own comes close to 1.5 ohm mega xl dual coil cartos powered by Madvapes VV boxes (set at about 4.5V). Hardest hitting, best flavor, most vapor---by a mile over anything else.
I own a broad spectrum of PVs, from little 2xAA 3.7V single 14500 box mods through Phidias bottom feeders to many different VV boxes (from Ken's Box Mods, Shan Burkholder, and Madvapes). I like them all.
I have two Omegas. Ran them for awhile at 3.7V with 18650s, then switched to 6.4V using stacked RCR123a batts for some months, and have now compromised with the custom 5V nimh batteries. I prefer the silver vein finish (which is more black than silver) to the shiny chrome, but they're both very well made. Because Omegas have that cool "push-down-on-the-top-to-fire" switch, however, they're not ideally designed for the larger tanks. You might need a 510-to-510 extender with your tank to allow space for your thumb, which works fine but would not be as sleek-looking and aesthetically pleasing as a tank-mounted ProVari.
Still, in my book the absolute greatest bang-for-the-buck mod is a Madvapes VV box.
"Delivery systems" (meaning power source and method of atomization) do seem to make a huge difference. I've never vaped a penstyle or 3.2V eGo. I started on a 3.7V Riva eGo clone, which lasted all of a week before I started going crazy buying mod PVs. 10 months and 25 mods later, I can say with assurance that nothing I own comes close to 1.5 ohm mega xl dual coil cartos powered by Madvapes VV boxes (set at about 4.5V). Hardest hitting, best flavor, most vapor---by a mile over anything else.
I own a broad spectrum of PVs, from little 2xAA 3.7V single 14500 box mods through Phidias bottom feeders to many different VV boxes (from Ken's Box Mods, Shan Burkholder, and Madvapes). I like them all.
I have two Omegas. Ran them for awhile at 3.7V with 18650s, then switched to 6.4V using stacked RCR123a batts for some months, and have now compromised with the custom 5V nimh batteries. I prefer the silver vein finish (which is more black than silver) to the shiny chrome, but they're both very well made. Because Omegas have that cool "push-down-on-the-top-to-fire" switch, however, they're not ideally designed for the larger tanks. You might need a 510-to-510 extender with your tank to allow space for your thumb, which works fine but would not be as sleek-looking and aesthetically pleasing as a tank-mounted ProVari.
Still, in my book the absolute greatest bang-for-the-buck mod is a Madvapes VV box.
So what changed? I'm not exactly sure, maybe the change up to a riva 3.7 volt 510 over a TW mega Titan 510? Not that it should really make any difference, I've also switched out from a traditional CE2 clearomizer and instead filled a array tank mod with CE2 innards.
I have a new problem now of course, that being: a 5ml array tank mod looks utterly ridiculous on a pen style titan or rivia 510... I might have to look at some of the bigger tubes around, a provari, prodigy, silver bullet or omega perhapes?
Again, I see no specific "RY4" at usa.jantyworld.com but rather one called "Classic". That is it, correct?
Janty sells RY4 in both their Classic and Elixir Lines of eliquid.
Oh derp I did not realize those were links to whole lines. Will dig deeper thanks. Figuring I should start with the Classic...
This is great. I've seen some pretty good threads on this forum over the last few years.You can see from my join date that I don't post a whole lot for the time I've been on the forum. I do enjoy reading but will usually only post if I have something a little different to say than what everyone else has been posting. I read the forum at least 4 times a week. I've added to this thread more than a few times. I suppose it is because RY4 has become the juice I mostly reach for. This thread has so much good information about the blend. Reading this post can really save a person loads of money by not buying every RY4 out there to find one or two that my appeal to them. I've learned some good information from it and I've been around vaping for quite some time. Thanks to all who shared here!
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