The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)

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Great thread, Bill. I'm about to try my first RY4 (TW Patriot) when it arrives, they say it's tobacco and caramel but can you taste any vanilla? Also, is the Totally-Wicked Patriot flavoursome? I really want an all day vape with a lingering taste.

May I ask what your current all day go-to juice is? :2cool:

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Lewis,

I don't have a #1 juice---I'm not an all-day-vape kind of guy. I vape 10-20 different juices every day, many of which are DIY. Right now, I'm vaping a lot of two DIY tobacco juices made from my own home-brewed NETs: Nat Sherman MCD and American Spirit Organic.

As for Totally Wicked Patriot RY4, trust me, if it didn't have vanilla, it wouldn't be on The Big RY4 List.

Totally Wicked Patriot Range RY4 - post #3351 (my review)
 
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I see the Dekang RY4 from HealthCabin etc. but is there a review on the Dekang Gold/Silver Label RY4's? It seems quite cheap for the silver label and I think it has NET.

The Gold and Silver label Dekang juices are pretty new. I'm not aware of any U.S. vendors selling them.

Is the original RY4 Dekang or Hangsen?

About 100 pages of this thread are devoted to researching the "original" RY4. As far as we can determine, the first-ever RY4 was created almost by accident (well, not exactly an "accident," more as a lark) by Ludo (one of the owners of Janty) and a Dekang flavor chemist in a Dekang production facility in China in one afternoon during 2007. That juice was marketed as Janty RY4 in 2007-2009. Dekang altered the recipe and came out with their own somewhat different version of RY4 sometime later. That's the one whose recipe was stolen by the departing Dekang chemist in May 2009. After being tried, convicted of industrial theft, and serving a prison term, that person may have joined Hangsen and now be Hangsen's head flavor chemist, but we're not certain about that.

An almost identical version of the original Janty RY4 was re-marketed last year as Janty RY4 DK Series.

RY4 is not based on Ruyan 4, an earlier juice by the Ruyan Company (which had four eliquids, of which #4---a sweet synthetic tobacco blend---was the most popular). Although the "RY" in RY4's name was chosen as an homage to the Ruyan Company's pioneering role in developing ecigs, the "4" refers to the fourth version made that day by Ludo and the Dekang chemist (think of Chanel #5 or Windows 8---those are version numbers), which was the one they liked best and went with. RY1, RY2, and RY3 are not, however, the previous versions made that day. Those were created (one might say "reverse-engineered") and marketed later, after RY4 was established as a retail juice.
 

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Some 'historical background' info ;)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/5508-like-smoke.html

Puresmoker, FreshSmoking, Widow Beadworks, Rocky Mountain were all part of the Janty/Joye line of products in 2008-09 - Steve at Puresmoker 'tweaked' (or had tweaked) some of the flavors - Riskee Yuice (originally 'Janty RY4'), Cash Capp, (originally 'Janty cappuccino') etc. RY1,2, and 3 came in quite early but yeah... after RY4.
 

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Panda e cigs has some clearance juices (ry4 & others) 10ml for 2.99 or 30ml for 8.99. RY4

From Panda's description "An incredibly unique flavor that is incomparable and a customer favorite. A tobacco base flavor infused with hints of caramel, butterscotch and walnuts. "

butterscotch and walnuts, not for me! Not to risk 10 mls for the zombie box. But thank for the info hangdude. You have steered me right several other times! And from Bill's review, too sweet for me. But others might like it, looks like a great deal!
 
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From Panda's description "An incredibly unique flavor that is incomparable and a customer favorite. A tobacco base flavor infused with hints of caramel, butterscotch and walnuts. "

butterscotch and walnuts, not for me! Not to risk 10 mls for the zombie box. But thank for the info hangdude. You have steered me right several other times! And from Bill's review, too sweet for me. But others might like it, looks like a great deal!

I pessed on the deal, too. I know the ones I like, and none are really dessert type RY4s.
 

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specs: The 30ml bottle of RY4 that I purchased from CrystalClearVaping contains a golden yellow-colored transparent liquid at 24mg nic strength in a 25/75 PG/VG base. Nose of the liquid is very mild and pleasant. Testing was done by dripping into a 2.2 ohm Joye SR510 atty powered by a VAMO set to 7.5 watts.

CrystalClearVaping is a longstanding hardware vendor that sells a limited line of custom-made juices---eight tobacco blends and two menthols. “Custom-made” might mean outsourced, but numerous posts on ECF about CCV's juices state that Andrew mixes his own juices, so perhaps they’re proprietary. In the spirit of full disclosure, let me admit that I'm reviewing this juice fresh out of the mail. If steeping changes the flavor of the juice, I’ll amend my review later.

First off, a small rant. I’d really like vendors to get the details straight. The web site name for this liquid is “RY4,’ while the label on the bottle reads “RY-4.” OK, so it’s just a hyphen. No big deal, right? Yeah, mostly. Still, the thought that nobody at CCV noticed and said, “Hey, let’s correct this mistake and decide on one name” irks me. Note to vendors: Please pay attention, and get the details right! You’re running a business, not selling homemade jams and jellies off the back of an old pickup truck.

OK, rant over.

CCV's RY4 (or RY-4, whatever…) is a liquid that seems to want to be a Classic RY4 but can’t be. Why not? Because the tobacco isn’t neutral enough. I’m not implying that the tobacco tastes bad. Tasting good or tasting bad are, to a large extent, in the mind of the individual vaper. I find this tobacco to have an interesting flavor---more cigar-like than is typical for RY4s of any ilk. Well then, is it similar to CigaRY4 from MyVapeCreations? Nope. MVC CigaRY4 is a rough-and-ready cigar tobacco, like a Maduro. By contrast, CCV RY4 is smooth, but with the flavor of a specialty cigar. It’s closer to a cross between two Want2Vape tobacco juices: Morley and Cold Infusion Cigar. Those aren’t RY4s, of course, but I’m referring only to the tobacco flavor. W2V’s C.I. Cigar is an aggressively potent and flavorful NET, but we could think of CCV RY4’s tobacco as a milder echo of that.

While I’m not in love with the taste of CCV RY4’s synthetic tobacco flavoring, I don’t dislike it, either.

What matters here is how the tobacco blends with the other flavorings (presumably, caramel and vanilla). For an RY4 to be Classic, the tobacco must not stand out and blend seamlessly with the other flavors to produce the unified RY4 taste. The tobacco in CCV RY4 doesn’t do either. It does stand out, and it doesn’t blend in.

Does that mean that I find this RY4 sub-par? No, it just means that CCV RY4 is not a Classic RY4 and must be considered from within the Custom RY4 genre. [Note: the caramel and vanilla operate very much in Classic mode here---which is why I wrote that CCV RY4 wants to be Classic---but the tobacco makes it Custom.]

As a Custom RY4, CCV’s juice holds its own well. The combination of caramel and vanilla is quite pleasing to my palate. Not too rich or sweet, but not too lean, either. Like Baby Bear’s porridge, the caramel-vanilla component is just right. The tobacco doesn’t really play with the caramel-vanilla, however, which is permitted in Custom RY4s. As I vape it, I’m reminded a bit of Professor Marvel’s Blend from Nashville Vapors, although the similarity is more in feeling than in actual flavor profile.

Lovers of dessert-style RY4s can pass on this one. It’s sweet, but the tobacco cuts the sweetness to below dessert levels. And those who love Classic RY4s will need to look elsewhere. Basically, CCV RY4 succeeds or fails depending on how the vaper feels about the tobacco. If you like the tobacco flavor, then you’ll love the juice (as the hangdude did in his mini-review oh-so-long ago, back in October 2001 in post #791). If you don’t like the flavor of the tobacco, then the juice will end up languishing in your stash, PIF’d or sold in the Classies, or maybe even poured down the drain.

As a result, this is really either an A juice or a D juice, depending on the individual vaper. I can’t give it both grades, so I’ll call it a B. My palate tells me that CCV RY4 is a juice that could grow on me, so don’t be surprised if my grade moves up to B+ in the future.

[Note: CCV is having a sale on this juice right now: $11.25 for a 30ml bottle. All CCV’s products ship for free, so that's a darn good deal.]

Link to purchase: CrystalClearVaping RY4
 
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as the hangdude did in his mini-review oh-so-long ago, back in October 2001

it feels like its only been a couple years...

I really do like the tobacco in ry4s to be on the bolder side. Great review (as always) Mr Bill. If I remember way back then, it does smooth out in about a week or so.

I think I will take my own advice and pick up a 30ml of CCV's RY-4.
 

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I am not buying more juice, I am not buying more juice.... well, that said, I might just have to purchase some of this. I can certainly let it steep with all the other juice I have!! And I have found that with tobaccos, to ME, the longer the steep the better. Besides, I am finding hangdude and I have similar tastes in juice, especially RY4s.

Great review Bill, I was just thinking of purchasing some of this before your review, but my mantra "I am not buying more juice.....", tell my gift card that....

Edit, so I check the site again but I had not checked NIC levels. I did contact them to confirm pg/vg ratios. Reply "Our ry4 has most pg @ 25%, most other are only 15% pg", perfect for me. But when I go to order the lowest nic they offer is 12mg. Too high for me. Oh well, not buying 2 bottles to get 60ml of a juice I don't know. Gift card is saying "Whew!". Oh well.... :blink:
 
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I am not buying more juice, I am not buying more juice.... well, that said, I might just have to purchase some of this. I can certainly let it steep with all the other juice I have!! And I have found that with tobaccos, to ME, the longer the steep the better. Besides, I am finding hangdude and I have similar tastes in juice, especially RY4s.

Great review Bill, I was just thinking of purchasing some of this before your review, but my mantra "I am not buying more juice.....", tell my gift card that....

Edit, so I check the site again but I had not checked NIC levels. I did contact them to confirm pg/vg ratios. Reply "Our ry4 has most pg @ 25%, most other are only 15% pg", perfect for me. But when I go to order the lowest nic they offer is 12mg. Too high for me. Oh well, not buying 2 bottles to get 60ml of a juice I don't know. Gift card is saying "Whew!". Oh well.... :blink:

One part of me loves it when the universe saves me from myself. We won't talk about the other part of me...
 

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I really do like the tobacco in ry4s to be on the bolder side.

Me too. That's why Janty RY4-X, CrystalELiquid RY4 Double Tobacco, and the NET-based RY4s are faves of mine.

I "appreciate" the balance and unified flavor of Classic RY4s, but I personally prefer actually tasting the tobacco.
 

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Excusez-moi, but what exactly is NET? I've seen it being used a lot around and a quick google search just brought up e-Liquids and prices.
WTA is like an alternative to NET?

In a nutshell, NET is naturally extracted tobacco (as it's called). WTA is whole tobacco alkaloids and is about getting the alkaloid spread (nicotine, the major alkaloid, plus the minor alkaloids) from tobacco.

NET is about taste of tobacco.

WTA is about the physical feeling from tobacco consumption.

Two different things and not interchangeable in the least.
 
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Alright, thanks a lot for the explanation Mr.Mann.

No problemo. WTA goes a lot, a whole lot deeper than that explanation, but it's the gist that's important here. Hell, even NET is a lot more deep than I explained, but just know the basics for now and you'll be straight.
 

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mmm I am past due on my annual RY4 bottle. Which one should I get? A classic, or maybe this CCV version? Hmmmm.. I'm past due on batteries too. I need to order a couple AW350's and a couple AW650's if I wanna keep vaping. & Right now I only have one measly RBA up and running. So I'll need to get a few more RDA's too. Can't wait to find a gold watch digging in my garden. oOOOo if I found a gold watch in my garden I could get all that stuff and maybe even a working metal detector to find more gold watches.
 
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