The Really Big RY4 Roundup (long)
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I love the BWB RY4. It is basically my all day vape. I also like ElixirLiquid's RY4. Elixir Liquids RY4 is a little more flavor but it is sooooo good.
I managed to hold of on trying my BWB RY4 for about a week. I finally gave it a try over the weekend. It completely caught me off guard. I haven't tried a lot of RY4's (maybe 4 or so), but it was COMPLETELY different than anything I've tried before. To be honest, I couldn't taste any caramel or vanilla and the tobacco was unlike any tobacco flavored juice I've tasted before. WAY more in your face. It was oddly familiar though. It took a while, but I finally figured out where I recognized it. Years ago I tried some long leaf chew. It was either Beech-Nut or Red Man, can't remember which. But that's what it tasted like to me. I like it, but it is... strange.
Hopefully another few weeks of steeping will bring out the caramel and vanilla...
Hopefully another few weeks of steeping will bring out the caramel and vanilla...
What I have left of BWB's RY4 is about 2 months old. It is finally either getting much better, or growing on me. I have been trying it about twice a week since I got it. This week I have been doing alot of TopShelfVapes' RY4, and I tried BWB's. It is now really good. (It was never bad, just never my favorite.) It is still not my favorite, but now is in the top tier.
I wish I could figure out what's happened to me and bwb RY4. In the original first-post-in-the-thread rankings, I had it at #1 by a mile, but it's dropped considerably in my eyes since then. I do have a relatively "young" 30ml bottle---only two months old---but that's not the problem, sinceit tastes the same as my first bottle from last fall. No, the change is in me.
I read all the posts extolling bwb RY4, and I think, "Golly, people love this juice. Heck, I loved it for a long time. What happened?" One change is that I seem to have developed an ever-so-slight distaste for the signature bwb flavor base of all Don's extracted tobacco juices---not just RY4, but Casablance, Hunter's Blend, Bacco, Applewood, Maxboro/Bacco, et al. They were all among my favorites for much of the first eight months of my vaping journey/hobby/obsession.
Something happened about the time that Don released Adirondack and Hazelnut Tobacco. To my surprise, I didn't like either of them. Afterwards, I began to notice that I wasn't as thrilled with my former backwoods faves. Besides my falling out of love with bwb's signature undertone, many other superlative juices by newer vendors (such as Prime Vaping, NiteLite, Vermillion River, Copper Creek, and Vapealicious) have come along over the past 4-5 months to challenge and displace bwb---in RY4s, in other tobacco blends, and in non-tobacco flavors. My current daily rotation doesn't include any Backwoods Brew tobacco juices; all have slipped into the 2nd tier where they bide their time as off-stage understudies to the new singing and dancing stars of the show.
I still love Café Mocha, Malty, and Malty Toffee. And who knows? Perhaps bwb RY4 will make a comeback in my book. (I just vaped it for 10 minutes before posting, however, and I can say with certainty that it won't be today...)
I'm also sure that Don's sterling reputation and great success will remain untarnished whether or not I'm on the cheerleading squad.
I read all the posts extolling bwb RY4, and I think, "Golly, people love this juice. Heck, I loved it for a long time. What happened?" One change is that I seem to have developed an ever-so-slight distaste for the signature bwb flavor base of all Don's extracted tobacco juices---not just RY4, but Casablance, Hunter's Blend, Bacco, Applewood, Maxboro/Bacco, et al. They were all among my favorites for much of the first eight months of my vaping journey/hobby/obsession.
Something happened about the time that Don released Adirondack and Hazelnut Tobacco. To my surprise, I didn't like either of them. Afterwards, I began to notice that I wasn't as thrilled with my former backwoods faves. Besides my falling out of love with bwb's signature undertone, many other superlative juices by newer vendors (such as Prime Vaping, NiteLite, Vermillion River, Copper Creek, and Vapealicious) have come along over the past 4-5 months to challenge and displace bwb---in RY4s, in other tobacco blends, and in non-tobacco flavors. My current daily rotation doesn't include any Backwoods Brew tobacco juices; all have slipped into the 2nd tier where they bide their time as off-stage understudies to the new singing and dancing stars of the show.
I still love Café Mocha, Malty, and Malty Toffee. And who knows? Perhaps bwb RY4 will make a comeback in my book. (I just vaped it for 10 minutes before posting, however, and I can say with certainty that it won't be today...)
I'm also sure that Don's sterling reputation and great success will remain untarnished whether or not I'm on the cheerleading squad.
If I might suggest, I think Bill, you're currently going through a bit of a sweet tooth moment. A look back to your orgianl list of this thread and I think your fave RY4 mixes were heavy tobacco variants. However your recent list, reveals much sweeter blends of RY4 then that original list, indeed moving a fair few heavy tobacco based blends further down the round up.
I suspect it's just a phase, I find I often get a urge for something sweet, even non RY4 mixes over time as heavy tobacco or higher nic ones can dull the pallet somewhat. The harshness sometimes associated with tobacco, the woody smokiness can become a little over bearing over months, sometimes you just want something sugary, sweet and dessert like as a softener to the main course. it's just my thoughts on this, I could of course be quite wrong, I don't have access to a number of the mixes from the orginal or newer lists as some are strictly USA only. I base this purely on your more recent posts over the last few months. I detect a definite shift towards a more caramelly, sweeter blend. Tastes change though, we are afforded to be a bit fickle with juice I believe, else they wouldn't make so many and I'd not buy so many either!
I suspect it's just a phase, I find I often get a urge for something sweet, even non RY4 mixes over time as heavy tobacco or higher nic ones can dull the pallet somewhat. The harshness sometimes associated with tobacco, the woody smokiness can become a little over bearing over months, sometimes you just want something sugary, sweet and dessert like as a softener to the main course. it's just my thoughts on this, I could of course be quite wrong, I don't have access to a number of the mixes from the orginal or newer lists as some are strictly USA only. I base this purely on your more recent posts over the last few months. I detect a definite shift towards a more caramelly, sweeter blend. Tastes change though, we are afforded to be a bit fickle with juice I believe, else they wouldn't make so many and I'd not buy so many either!
I think it's more BWB's smoky woody flavor more than a hankering for sweetness. I've gone through a similar experience as Bill's with BWB. Backo primarily got me off cigs and for a while my highest % of any other juice was BWB. While I still vape them, especially Malty and Malty Toffee, they're no longer my fave bacco-types and I think it's because I've got tired of the smokey, wood flavor. I've found other analog and cigar replacement flavors that I prefer and can't say I'm a fanboy anymore. I don't anticipate much replacement of them as the stock wears thin, even the RY4. In fact if I want that BWB flavor, I think I'd prefer it straight up, like in Backo.
Without doing Bill's style work with grading, my RY4s that I have are..BWB, Tribecca, VS4, VS RY4, Renegade, IKV, Volt, Nhaler, Joogler's Blend, VR4 & PV4. That gives me quite a palate for soothing an RY4 itch depending on mood.
Without doing Bill's style work with grading, my RY4s that I have are..BWB, Tribecca, VS4, VS RY4, Renegade, IKV, Volt, Nhaler, Joogler's Blend, VR4 & PV4. That gives me quite a palate for soothing an RY4 itch depending on mood.
I have only tried 2 RY4's in my vaping history:
About 9 months ago my brother's Wicked Vapor RY4-from what I remember it had a very distinct nutty caramel flavor -I liked it, but had no desire to order it
Today I tried FA oRYental 4 DIY -I happen to love it! I actually love the other FA tobaccos as well.
I do have BWB Casablanca, Applewood, Melonbacco, and Virginia -Casablanca is the only BWB flavor I LOVE -the others have a base tobacco flavor that is just not full-bodied and complex enough for me and I get a strange plastic chemically taste on the exhale from them. -my mom happens to love the Melonbacco -shows how taste is so subjective. Now if the BWB RY4 tastes anything close to Casablanca then I would probably love it.
About 9 months ago my brother's Wicked Vapor RY4-from what I remember it had a very distinct nutty caramel flavor -I liked it, but had no desire to order it
Today I tried FA oRYental 4 DIY -I happen to love it! I actually love the other FA tobaccos as well.
I do have BWB Casablanca, Applewood, Melonbacco, and Virginia -Casablanca is the only BWB flavor I LOVE -the others have a base tobacco flavor that is just not full-bodied and complex enough for me and I get a strange plastic chemically taste on the exhale from them. -my mom happens to love the Melonbacco -shows how taste is so subjective. Now if the BWB RY4 tastes anything close to Casablanca then I would probably love it.
Z.,
Hmm. You may be onto something with that perception. Makes good sense to me. Even my non-RY4 tobacco blend daily rotation vapes have leaned more toward sweetness than was true four or five months ago. While there are exceptions---my single favorite tobacco juice right now is Natural Tobacco by Prime Vaping, which has always struck me as remarkably clean and well-balanced---still, I've been riding the sweet horse for awhile now. I've vaped a lot of VR4, for instance, which has that luscious gooey caramel.
I can feel myself approaching a crossroads. It's not here yet, but getting closer. I can't yet tell what it's about---the end of the sweet phase, getting fed up to here (holds hand to forehead) with all RY4s in a cortical brown-out overload meltdown, or some other more draconian self-immolation---but it's coming.
Maybe you should be our Official Sherlock Holmes as well as Special Foreign Correspondent. I'll be your Dr. Watson.
Hmm. You may be onto something with that perception. Makes good sense to me. Even my non-RY4 tobacco blend daily rotation vapes have leaned more toward sweetness than was true four or five months ago. While there are exceptions---my single favorite tobacco juice right now is Natural Tobacco by Prime Vaping, which has always struck me as remarkably clean and well-balanced---still, I've been riding the sweet horse for awhile now. I've vaped a lot of VR4, for instance, which has that luscious gooey caramel.
I can feel myself approaching a crossroads. It's not here yet, but getting closer. I can't yet tell what it's about---the end of the sweet phase, getting fed up to here (holds hand to forehead) with all RY4s in a cortical brown-out overload meltdown, or some other more draconian self-immolation---but it's coming.
Maybe you should be our Official Sherlock Holmes as well as Special Foreign Correspondent. I'll be your Dr. Watson.
Well I, for one, am excited about the roundup thread that will (hopefully) be a result of this... change.
I received new (to me) RY4s in the mail today from two vendors: SmokeAnywhereForPennys.com and TopShelfVapes.com.
SmokeAnywhereForPennys (which is run by a woman named Penny) has a graphic on the web site stating "Custom Blended E-Liquids." I presume this to mean that their juices are not factory pre-mix, but rather custom-made and mixed-to-order. (Not that pre-mix is necessarily bad---Health Cabin Dekang RY4 is pre-mix, and it's fantastic. I just like knowing what I'm buying, that's all.)
TopShelfVapes proclaims "100% USA Made E-Liquid" in a bold banner right in the center of their home page. Again, I don't really care where a juice is made. In fact, I've always felt that the concerns some people have about supposed inconsistency or impurity of Chinese juices are not merely overblown, but downright silly. Inconsistency and impurity in e-liquids seem to me much more likely from small-scale American cottage industry vendors who may mix juice in home kitchens than from large Chinese production facilities with testing labs and carefully-monitored clean-rooms. (Not that I have anything against Mom & Pop vendors---I'm thrilled that people are finding ways to make a living without selling their souls to some mega-corporation, as if there were any jobs left in corporate America, which there aren't, because they've all been outsourced to what used to be called the Third World but isn't anymore...) Anyway, the bottom line for me personally is that I don't care if a juice is made in China, the U.S., or Timbuktu, as long as it tastes good. I'm all for re-localizing our collapsing economy, but life is too short to vape lousy juice from anywhere, and good juice is a treasure, wherever it's from.
Since these are both "fresh," custom-mixed juices, they'll probably need steeping time for the flavors to meld and mature. But of course I dripped both juices right out of the mail. I never wait to try out new liquids. I will, however, give both juices at least a week to steep before posting full reviews/rankings/categories.
In the meantime, here's a sneak preview: the SmokeAnywhereforPennys RY4 was delicious right off the bat, while the TopShelf RY4 had not yet developed much flavor. I'm pretty sure it hadn't gotten its sea legs yet and will probably improve markedly with steeping. On the other hand, if steeping dramatically improves the SmokeAnywhere RY4, then look out! We might have a real contender ("instead of a bum, which is what I am"---Marlon Brando, On the Waterfront).
I also received two more 5ml bottles of ECBlend Ruyan 4. I'd originally purchased just one 5ml bottle for testing and review, but that's not even enough to fill a Resurrector mega-carto and a one-dram dropper bottle for topping up. So, since the sale was still going on at ECBlend, I ordered two more 5ml bottles. As I prepared to combine the three small bottles into one larger bottle, I noticed that the color of the Ruyan 4 I bought three weeks ago is not the same as the juices that arrived today. The older juice is very pale gold, while the two new juices are pale amber or light orange in color. I don't know what that means, but I'll comparison vape them and report back.
SmokeAnywhereForPennys (which is run by a woman named Penny) has a graphic on the web site stating "Custom Blended E-Liquids." I presume this to mean that their juices are not factory pre-mix, but rather custom-made and mixed-to-order. (Not that pre-mix is necessarily bad---Health Cabin Dekang RY4 is pre-mix, and it's fantastic. I just like knowing what I'm buying, that's all.)
TopShelfVapes proclaims "100% USA Made E-Liquid" in a bold banner right in the center of their home page. Again, I don't really care where a juice is made. In fact, I've always felt that the concerns some people have about supposed inconsistency or impurity of Chinese juices are not merely overblown, but downright silly. Inconsistency and impurity in e-liquids seem to me much more likely from small-scale American cottage industry vendors who may mix juice in home kitchens than from large Chinese production facilities with testing labs and carefully-monitored clean-rooms. (Not that I have anything against Mom & Pop vendors---I'm thrilled that people are finding ways to make a living without selling their souls to some mega-corporation, as if there were any jobs left in corporate America, which there aren't, because they've all been outsourced to what used to be called the Third World but isn't anymore...) Anyway, the bottom line for me personally is that I don't care if a juice is made in China, the U.S., or Timbuktu, as long as it tastes good. I'm all for re-localizing our collapsing economy, but life is too short to vape lousy juice from anywhere, and good juice is a treasure, wherever it's from.
Since these are both "fresh," custom-mixed juices, they'll probably need steeping time for the flavors to meld and mature. But of course I dripped both juices right out of the mail. I never wait to try out new liquids. I will, however, give both juices at least a week to steep before posting full reviews/rankings/categories.
In the meantime, here's a sneak preview: the SmokeAnywhereforPennys RY4 was delicious right off the bat, while the TopShelf RY4 had not yet developed much flavor. I'm pretty sure it hadn't gotten its sea legs yet and will probably improve markedly with steeping. On the other hand, if steeping dramatically improves the SmokeAnywhere RY4, then look out! We might have a real contender ("instead of a bum, which is what I am"---Marlon Brando, On the Waterfront).
I also received two more 5ml bottles of ECBlend Ruyan 4. I'd originally purchased just one 5ml bottle for testing and review, but that's not even enough to fill a Resurrector mega-carto and a one-dram dropper bottle for topping up. So, since the sale was still going on at ECBlend, I ordered two more 5ml bottles. As I prepared to combine the three small bottles into one larger bottle, I noticed that the color of the Ruyan 4 I bought three weeks ago is not the same as the juices that arrived today. The older juice is very pale gold, while the two new juices are pale amber or light orange in color. I don't know what that means, but I'll comparison vape them and report back.
Mystery solved. Turns out that ECBlend changed their Ruyan 4 formula between my first order and my second. I'll give these new bottles a week to steep, then post the ECBlend review, part 2.
My thoughts on a few RY4s. Not in any order, other than maybe how often I vape them.
QuickNicJuice RY4. This is still, by far my favorite of the RY4s. It is obvious that QNJ did not try to copy the original (or any other) RY4. The caramel is creamy good. The vanilla blends beautifully. But what really stands out for me is the woody tobacco. If you don't like strong flavors, stay away. The three flavors blend into an in your face, smokey liqeuer. This is a love it or hate it nicquid. Not many (except bill) are on the fence. If you like QNJ's RY4, you must try their new Bacco-nilla.
PrimeVaping PV4. PV4 has the richness of QNJ's caramel and vanilla, without the strong tobacco. That creates a dessert flavor. PV4 has a sweetness almost like a cookie. The mild tobacco is well in the background, but is a very clean flavor. Overall, I couldn't vape this all day, but it is a very good dessert RY4.
BackwoodsBrew RY4. This is just a good blend. Nothing stands out as too much or too little. The goodness of RY4 stands out. This could easily be an all day vape for any former smoker. It is clean tasting, with just enough of each flavor.
NHaler Octane, High Voltage, R Why Not. This RY4 is almost identical to BWB's RY4, just more. More TH and more flavor. It is a perfect blend of the three flavors we all love. R Why Not is a very good full flavored RY4.
JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend. After reading bill's review, I have noticed what he called a floral taste. I think it is the stronger vanilla flavor in this RY4. This has a sweet tobacco base, with vanilla and a hint of caramel. Easily an all day vape for those of us who like this inexpensive treat. See NCVaper's thread for a free bottle. It is worth trying.
KickBassVapor RY4. This has grown, through steeping, into a very good blend. The vanilla is on top, and it is a great tasting vanilla. The tobacco and caramel blend with the vanilla to create a slightly sweet RY4. This is a very thick nicquid, but vapes fine from a carto. I taste none of KBV's signature base flavor in this nicquid. Another all day RY4.
Copper Creek Twisted Tobacco. There is a freshness to this RY4. The caramel and vanilla taste real, as opposed to flavorings. This makes for a unique blend. This vanilla rich RY4 has almost a cake like sweetness to it. I would not put this on my all-day vape list, but Copper Creek's House Blend is definately on that list. This is more of a sweet-tooth vape for me.
Top Shelf Vapes RY4. This has way more vapor than any other RY4 I've tried. It also provides a great TH. However after a week of steeping, this is still not an RY4. It tastes like DK Tab meets BWB's Malty. It is a good tobacco, but not an RY4 yet.
Honeyville RY4. I bought a couple 39 cent bottles during their last sale. Being only 39 cents, I did not expect much and had not tried Honeyville until today. I am impressed by the smokey flavored tobacco base. There is also a good sweetness from the caramel and vanilla. Overall, much better than I was expecting. Not as clean or sweet as QuicknicJuice's smokey RY4 blend, but very good. I will have to try this blend for a while.
E-Juice USA Ey4. A couple months ago, I won a 30ml of PG blend Ey4 and VG Ey4 from E-Juice USA. For that reason, and because I don't like giving bad reviews, I will say nothing. Anyone want some free juice?
QuickNicJuice RY4. This is still, by far my favorite of the RY4s. It is obvious that QNJ did not try to copy the original (or any other) RY4. The caramel is creamy good. The vanilla blends beautifully. But what really stands out for me is the woody tobacco. If you don't like strong flavors, stay away. The three flavors blend into an in your face, smokey liqeuer. This is a love it or hate it nicquid. Not many (except bill) are on the fence. If you like QNJ's RY4, you must try their new Bacco-nilla.
PrimeVaping PV4. PV4 has the richness of QNJ's caramel and vanilla, without the strong tobacco. That creates a dessert flavor. PV4 has a sweetness almost like a cookie. The mild tobacco is well in the background, but is a very clean flavor. Overall, I couldn't vape this all day, but it is a very good dessert RY4.
BackwoodsBrew RY4. This is just a good blend. Nothing stands out as too much or too little. The goodness of RY4 stands out. This could easily be an all day vape for any former smoker. It is clean tasting, with just enough of each flavor.
NHaler Octane, High Voltage, R Why Not. This RY4 is almost identical to BWB's RY4, just more. More TH and more flavor. It is a perfect blend of the three flavors we all love. R Why Not is a very good full flavored RY4.
JooglerJuice Joogler's Blend. After reading bill's review, I have noticed what he called a floral taste. I think it is the stronger vanilla flavor in this RY4. This has a sweet tobacco base, with vanilla and a hint of caramel. Easily an all day vape for those of us who like this inexpensive treat. See NCVaper's thread for a free bottle. It is worth trying.
KickBassVapor RY4. This has grown, through steeping, into a very good blend. The vanilla is on top, and it is a great tasting vanilla. The tobacco and caramel blend with the vanilla to create a slightly sweet RY4. This is a very thick nicquid, but vapes fine from a carto. I taste none of KBV's signature base flavor in this nicquid. Another all day RY4.
Copper Creek Twisted Tobacco. There is a freshness to this RY4. The caramel and vanilla taste real, as opposed to flavorings. This makes for a unique blend. This vanilla rich RY4 has almost a cake like sweetness to it. I would not put this on my all-day vape list, but Copper Creek's House Blend is definately on that list. This is more of a sweet-tooth vape for me.
Top Shelf Vapes RY4. This has way more vapor than any other RY4 I've tried. It also provides a great TH. However after a week of steeping, this is still not an RY4. It tastes like DK Tab meets BWB's Malty. It is a good tobacco, but not an RY4 yet.
Honeyville RY4. I bought a couple 39 cent bottles during their last sale. Being only 39 cents, I did not expect much and had not tried Honeyville until today. I am impressed by the smokey flavored tobacco base. There is also a good sweetness from the caramel and vanilla. Overall, much better than I was expecting. Not as clean or sweet as QuicknicJuice's smokey RY4 blend, but very good. I will have to try this blend for a while.
E-Juice USA Ey4. A couple months ago, I won a 30ml of PG blend Ey4 and VG Ey4 from E-Juice USA. For that reason, and because I don't like giving bad reviews, I will say nothing. Anyone want some free juice?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...er-juice-just-pay-2-00-shipping-handling.html
He will send you a free 10ml of any flavor if you pay $2 shipping fee.
His RY4 is called Joogler's Blend.
Another good vendor with a free sample is Vermillion Rivers. Pay $2.50 shipping, and get a 4.5ml. Great tobaccos. No RY4 yet. (code FREESAMPLE)
http://www.vermillionriverejuice.com/Free-Sample-45ML-Bottle_c_14.html
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hangdude,
Great reviews! This is exactly where I always hope the thread will go---toward more reviewers and more perspectives.
I've not had Nhaler, Top Shelf, or EjuiceUSA (sounds like we can pass on that last one...).
Thanks, my friend!
Great reviews! This is exactly where I always hope the thread will go---toward more reviewers and more perspectives.
I've not had Nhaler, Top Shelf, or EjuiceUSA (sounds like we can pass on that last one...).
Thanks, my friend!
Today's mail brought me the 4ml sample bottle of Dekang RY4 Intense, courtesy of Zombitedesade (many thanks, Z!). This is one of the new "Intense" line of premium flavors forthcoming from Dekang. Currently, only the RY4 Intense is available, and then only in the UK from a couple of different vendors there. The sample Z. sent me was taken from a larger bottle sold by VapourWorld.co.uk.
This is more a first impression than a formal review, and I won't add RY4 Intense to the Big List simply because no U.S. vendor sells it yet. (I presume that Vapour World will ship internationally to the U.S., but the shipping cost isn't listed on their site, and I didn't email them to find out.)
The sample is a 24mg blend of PG/VG/PEG-400 (polyethylene glycol) that was purchased by our friend Z. three weeks ago (so, since it's pre-mix, no additional steeping should be needed). The color of the liquid is light gold, but it's darker than the very pale gold of the regular Dekang RY4 I got from Health Cabin. I vaped it three ways: dripped into a 1.5 ohm Joye atty at 3.9 volts (for 10 watts of power), then loaded into a 2.0 ohm LR carto at 3.9 volts (8 watts) and 4.5 volts (9 watts). Each method produced different results for my palate, which I'll detail further on.
Overall, I would place this juice closer to Janty Elixir RY4 than to regular Dekang RY4. The tobacco and caramel are clearly cranked up, but the sweetness is also toned down because of a sourness in the tobacco. This is probably where the resemblance to Janty is strongest, in leavening the sweetness by the addition of a sour element. Regular HC DK RY4 has no sourness, is definitely sweeter, and has more melded balancing of flavors so that none stands out---the tobacco, caramel, and vanilla fuse into a single taste experience. The increased intensity of the tobacco and caramel in RY4 Intense throws balance out the window---the component flavors retain their distinct individuality. That's not inherently better or worse, just a different approach and end result.
Interestingly, I pick up hardly any vanilla notes at all. Compared to, say, Prime Vaping PV4 or Backwoods Brew RY4 (both of which strike me as vanilla-rich), the vanilla in Dekang RY4 Intense is virtually non-existent. I presume it's there, but tobacco and caramel are the 800 lb. dancing gorillas in this juice.
So, how does it taste? This is where the different delivery methods matter. Dripped into an LR atty, the caramel is dominant and shines right through. This particular caramel isn't especially sweet or even rich, but it is potent (in a good way). In an LR carto, however---at either 3.9 or 4.5 volts---the overall experience of the vape is intensified, kicked up a couple of notches, and the flavor mix changes---the caramel recedes, while the tobacco steps forward assertively. Carto-loaded, RY4 Intense has without question the strongest, most dominant tobacco of any RY4 I've ever vaped. Even with the sour element, the tobacco taste is clean and straight up, however, which I much prefer over tobaccos with a vendor-specific signature. Despite the strong tobacco, however, the identity of Dekang Intense as a bonafide RY4 remains clear. It's obviously not just a flavored tobacco blend; it's an RY4.
What's exciting about this to me is that it signals the possibility of a new chapter in RY4s. Dekang has taken up the challenge and raised the ante. I was (and still am) immensely impressed by how much better my newer Health Cabin Dekang RY4 pre-mix tastes than my older bottle of Dekang RY4 from Madvapes does (or ever did). And now that I've been vaping the HC DK RY4 for awhile, I like it more than any of its highly-ranked cousins---Dulcis, Bloog/Volt, Taboo, Riskee, or Elixir RY4. They're close, but HC DK is preferable to my palate. (It's also way cheaper, which is a nice bonus, if only as icing on the cake.)
Look, I know I'm biased (of course), but if regular Dekang RY4 is slightly better than those RY4s I just listed above, then Dekang RY4 Intense beats them hands down. That's putting it too strongly, since they're all very good, but what the heck, I'm in the first flush of enthusiasm here, like a kid with a new toy.
If I were to revise the rankings list today, Janty, Dekang Intense, and Health Cabin regular Dekang would stand alone at the top of the RY4 pack, followed closely by three others---Ikenvape RY4 Gold, Vaperite VR4 Organic, and Prime Vaping PV4. The Top 11 would then round out with the five mentioned above. Individual placements within the groups of three, three, and five would be pretty much arbitrary.
How soon will Dekang RY4 intense be available from U.S. vendors or the more popular Chinese sites? I don't know, but---given the dizzying pace of change in the vaping world---I'd venture that the wait won't be too long.
This is more a first impression than a formal review, and I won't add RY4 Intense to the Big List simply because no U.S. vendor sells it yet. (I presume that Vapour World will ship internationally to the U.S., but the shipping cost isn't listed on their site, and I didn't email them to find out.)
The sample is a 24mg blend of PG/VG/PEG-400 (polyethylene glycol) that was purchased by our friend Z. three weeks ago (so, since it's pre-mix, no additional steeping should be needed). The color of the liquid is light gold, but it's darker than the very pale gold of the regular Dekang RY4 I got from Health Cabin. I vaped it three ways: dripped into a 1.5 ohm Joye atty at 3.9 volts (for 10 watts of power), then loaded into a 2.0 ohm LR carto at 3.9 volts (8 watts) and 4.5 volts (9 watts). Each method produced different results for my palate, which I'll detail further on.
Overall, I would place this juice closer to Janty Elixir RY4 than to regular Dekang RY4. The tobacco and caramel are clearly cranked up, but the sweetness is also toned down because of a sourness in the tobacco. This is probably where the resemblance to Janty is strongest, in leavening the sweetness by the addition of a sour element. Regular HC DK RY4 has no sourness, is definitely sweeter, and has more melded balancing of flavors so that none stands out---the tobacco, caramel, and vanilla fuse into a single taste experience. The increased intensity of the tobacco and caramel in RY4 Intense throws balance out the window---the component flavors retain their distinct individuality. That's not inherently better or worse, just a different approach and end result.
Interestingly, I pick up hardly any vanilla notes at all. Compared to, say, Prime Vaping PV4 or Backwoods Brew RY4 (both of which strike me as vanilla-rich), the vanilla in Dekang RY4 Intense is virtually non-existent. I presume it's there, but tobacco and caramel are the 800 lb. dancing gorillas in this juice.
So, how does it taste? This is where the different delivery methods matter. Dripped into an LR atty, the caramel is dominant and shines right through. This particular caramel isn't especially sweet or even rich, but it is potent (in a good way). In an LR carto, however---at either 3.9 or 4.5 volts---the overall experience of the vape is intensified, kicked up a couple of notches, and the flavor mix changes---the caramel recedes, while the tobacco steps forward assertively. Carto-loaded, RY4 Intense has without question the strongest, most dominant tobacco of any RY4 I've ever vaped. Even with the sour element, the tobacco taste is clean and straight up, however, which I much prefer over tobaccos with a vendor-specific signature. Despite the strong tobacco, however, the identity of Dekang Intense as a bonafide RY4 remains clear. It's obviously not just a flavored tobacco blend; it's an RY4.
What's exciting about this to me is that it signals the possibility of a new chapter in RY4s. Dekang has taken up the challenge and raised the ante. I was (and still am) immensely impressed by how much better my newer Health Cabin Dekang RY4 pre-mix tastes than my older bottle of Dekang RY4 from Madvapes does (or ever did). And now that I've been vaping the HC DK RY4 for awhile, I like it more than any of its highly-ranked cousins---Dulcis, Bloog/Volt, Taboo, Riskee, or Elixir RY4. They're close, but HC DK is preferable to my palate. (It's also way cheaper, which is a nice bonus, if only as icing on the cake.)
Look, I know I'm biased (of course), but if regular Dekang RY4 is slightly better than those RY4s I just listed above, then Dekang RY4 Intense beats them hands down. That's putting it too strongly, since they're all very good, but what the heck, I'm in the first flush of enthusiasm here, like a kid with a new toy.
If I were to revise the rankings list today, Janty, Dekang Intense, and Health Cabin regular Dekang would stand alone at the top of the RY4 pack, followed closely by three others---Ikenvape RY4 Gold, Vaperite VR4 Organic, and Prime Vaping PV4. The Top 11 would then round out with the five mentioned above. Individual placements within the groups of three, three, and five would be pretty much arbitrary.
How soon will Dekang RY4 intense be available from U.S. vendors or the more popular Chinese sites? I don't know, but---given the dizzying pace of change in the vaping world---I'd venture that the wait won't be too long.
Wonderful bill, I'm so glad it turned up for you (interestingly as your uk shipped package arrives I got confirmation my reo mini mod all the way from the US was here on uk shores, should be with me tomorrow or sat) like two ships passing in the night!
Anyway, you confirmed my initial thoughts on the juice perfectly efficiently. We share exactly the same thoughts on the intense Ry4. It is, simply put an absolutely fantastic Ry4, clean, strong, sour, sweet and infeintaly Vapable. Like janty elixir x10. It perhapes loses some of the juices balance, but it is, for me a wonderful juice second only to the Janty elixir itself, though there's very little in it. The janty is perhapes a touch cleaner, smoother maybe, though to be fair a lessor nic variety may take that slightly harsh edge off, 24mg is realisably strong IMO.
Its a new RY4 experience as you say, a health cabin Dekang with doubler could replicate it perhapes, but given time I'd hope you guys over in the US would also be able to purchase the intense variant of this lovely mix.
Anyway, you confirmed my initial thoughts on the juice perfectly efficiently. We share exactly the same thoughts on the intense Ry4. It is, simply put an absolutely fantastic Ry4, clean, strong, sour, sweet and infeintaly Vapable. Like janty elixir x10. It perhapes loses some of the juices balance, but it is, for me a wonderful juice second only to the Janty elixir itself, though there's very little in it. The janty is perhapes a touch cleaner, smoother maybe, though to be fair a lessor nic variety may take that slightly harsh edge off, 24mg is realisably strong IMO.
Its a new RY4 experience as you say, a health cabin Dekang with doubler could replicate it perhapes, but given time I'd hope you guys over in the US would also be able to purchase the intense variant of this lovely mix.
Z.,
I did check out ordering some RY4 Intense from Vapour World today. Base price for 55ml was very reasonable, but after VAT and Rest of World shipping were tacked on, it was simply more money than I wanted to spend on a single juice.
I'll wait. I'll stretch out your 4mls (thanks again!) as long as I can. That and Janty or Health Cabin regular will do fine in the meantime. Heck, this thread is just about the only reason I vape RY4s at all anymore.
Wanted to add that while your theory of my sweet phase interfering with appreciation of BWB RY4 has merit, I did go back and vape all my BWB tobacco blends two days ago (I have TEN of them, for heaven's sake). This confirmed for me that I have fallen out of love with Don's signature tobacco base. Something about it is now slightly off to me, and it's not about sweetness. Some of that may be just the merry-go-round of changing flavor sensitivities over time, but I also wonder if Prime Vaping's ultra-clean tobacco extract hasn't ruined me for just about all macerated tobaccos (or synthetic tobaccos, for that matter) with a vendor-specific flavor signature.
I'm considering posting some about DIYing RY4. I have seven different RY4 flavor concentrates (none of which are particularly great by themselves) to go with my 50 other DIY tobacco flavors. I've tried making RY4 from scratch, using the individual ingredients, with mostly miserable results. Still, I have about 150mls of homemade RY4 concoctions and enough experience in general with DIYing to be dangerous if not particularly good at it, which has mainly served to increase ten-fold my admiration and respect for truly talented juice-making artisans. I'm not sure if it's rocket science or just plain magic, but making juice is not something just anyone can do well.
I did check out ordering some RY4 Intense from Vapour World today. Base price for 55ml was very reasonable, but after VAT and Rest of World shipping were tacked on, it was simply more money than I wanted to spend on a single juice.
I'll wait. I'll stretch out your 4mls (thanks again!) as long as I can. That and Janty or Health Cabin regular will do fine in the meantime. Heck, this thread is just about the only reason I vape RY4s at all anymore.
Wanted to add that while your theory of my sweet phase interfering with appreciation of BWB RY4 has merit, I did go back and vape all my BWB tobacco blends two days ago (I have TEN of them, for heaven's sake). This confirmed for me that I have fallen out of love with Don's signature tobacco base. Something about it is now slightly off to me, and it's not about sweetness. Some of that may be just the merry-go-round of changing flavor sensitivities over time, but I also wonder if Prime Vaping's ultra-clean tobacco extract hasn't ruined me for just about all macerated tobaccos (or synthetic tobaccos, for that matter) with a vendor-specific flavor signature.
I'm considering posting some about DIYing RY4. I have seven different RY4 flavor concentrates (none of which are particularly great by themselves) to go with my 50 other DIY tobacco flavors. I've tried making RY4 from scratch, using the individual ingredients, with mostly miserable results. Still, I have about 150mls of homemade RY4 concoctions and enough experience in general with DIYing to be dangerous if not particularly good at it, which has mainly served to increase ten-fold my admiration and respect for truly talented juice-making artisans. I'm not sure if it's rocket science or just plain magic, but making juice is not something just anyone can do well.
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