The REO Lounge - Part II

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vsummer1

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hey EVERYONE....i'm sorry to bring the mood down here on the fourm....wasn't my intention....i apologize for that...
i am going to bed....have a good night EVERYONE

Good night, I hope you rest well. Yeah, I cried a little, but that is life. I know in the end I did what was best for my loved ones and I can live with that. That is all we CAN do. It sure isn't easy Ray, but remember to take care of yourself as well, if you don't you won't be at your best to care for Carol.
 

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hey EVERYONE....i'm sorry to bring the mood down here on the fourm....wasn't my intention....i apologize for that...
i am going to bed....have a good night EVERYONE

Cappy, the people here care about you and i don't believe talking about Carol brought anyone down, they all just want to take the time to offer whatever comfort and advice they can and they want you to know that they're in your corner pulling for you and Carol.


Val, thank you for listening to me..
 

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i don't know if its bull or not but they do have organic spraying for bugs that is NOT harmful to the environment or pets...my property is loaded with deer and i as well as two of my dogs have gotten Lyme disease....lyme disease in a dog can be fatal...so i do have them spray my property all spring and summer....when they are done my property smells like garlic for a few hours...

I use some of the safer products like neem, pyrthtrem, and other "oils" especially when I had 9 greenhouses with mostly tropicals. But for the most part not much else. Many of the birds and bats and benificial insects help. Ticks and mosquitoes....... I do use Advantix on the dogs most of the year..... mainly for the ticks but it also has repellant properties for our tiny black flies whose bites hurt like hell and they can deskin the edges of a dogs ear in a day.... and repell mosquitoes. I have baited passive traps for mosquitoes and flies. I wear Cutters Advanced all year. It has Picicardin instead of deet and doesn't harm plastics, fabric, and paint. Sometimes do wear Deep Woods off for ciggars but also treat some clothes with permethrem. Also keep good supply of Dunks om hand for any standing water.

Back in mid 80s, before much was known about Lyme disease my main dog handler was friends with a family who were all suffering mysterious severe symptoms that were not responding to treatments. All of them were eventually hospitalized in a prrivate mental hospital. A little later it was discovered they were all infected with Lyme disease affecting different organs and systems but all with brain and nerve envolvement. They all lived but suffered various permanent damages to organs and body systems.

When we first moved out here, 86 the ticks were so bad in just the civilized part near house I had to treat everything including up into tree tops with three different chemicals, one each spaced 10 days apart. Althouht I wore haze mat protection and mask it's a wonder I didn't damage us or the dogs. It took two years for the birds and bugs to start flourishing again.

Like I said compromises do have to be made.

Hugs, Feisty Alice
 

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Ray, if Carol doesn't know already, getting hospice will surely fill her in about her situation. Dunno if its the right time yet, a decision you'll have to make. In my dads case his mind was nut all there (94-95 years old) so he didn't understand why he qualified for hospice or what hospice meant. I guess because he was comfortable RN's came 1x/week maybe 30 minute visit each. Nurse's aide came 2x/week for about 40-60 minutes. Social worker maybe once every 2 months. Doctor just once in 5 months. I'm sure if Carol needs it this schedule could be modified according to her condition. She will be required to call hospice for any emergency, where in most cases a RN will respond and call their own doc if need be. Any meds/equipment they will supply, usually delivered by contractor. Hospital bed, wheel chair, bed pans, almost everything so thats the good part. Nurses aide would change bedding, even cook a little if supplied with the ingredients, sponge baths, so a great help there as well.

If Carol doesn't know how bad her condition is, she'll know soon enuf.......I know you said no one told her so thought I would bring this up but you gotta do whats best for her. My wife's family didn't fully understand how hospice worked and sometimes regretted their decision to get it. Mainly because they had signed that medical waiver for no life support/resuscitation, it was very hard for them to understand and thought it could be repealed if they changed their minds. Hospital provided a translator but that left me out of the loop when things were decided. DW's family all born/raised in Korea so their english is very limited and mother was comatose at the time. Hoping all goes well. Val, let us know if something I've said is not accurate, I understand how different situations may have different types of care. :)


We had hospice for DH's father and soon after visiting nurses, aids, therapists for his mother for three years. I was in nursing school full time and had all household duties but part time help but still pretty overwhelmed. The care people made it possible for us to function somewhat normally and kept his mother pretty busy with "visitors" when I couldn't be here. She had most her faculties to the end, but not all the time, and really gave a challange to the occupational therapists having her do such "dumb" things. The biggest challange was getting her to eat. After losing her life long partner and soon after breaking her hip she continiously demanded that we let her die. She refused to do the therapy to walk again but enjoyed the company and 3 x week bed baths and lotion massages. First year DH and I could get her to shower seat but after that she grew too weak to assist us. Biggest highligt was Sunday drives. DH and I shared in changing her diapers and cleaning her. She didn't protest his doing it at all maybe because he was a doctor.

Seek out assistance Ray. I can't express how imortant this is. One thing that really helped Dommie and PaPa was that we didn't stick them off in a bedroom. We coverted our open house plan dining room with view of birds and center of family activity so they were virtually never alone.

Our best friend Sissy Dog did unskilled care for several people when she was living in Dallas. One the mother of friends and another the mother of a man she did part time office work for. Her charge for care was much lower than skilled labor but she was mainly companion and cooked and fed them; mainly there so they would never be alone.

Much love, Alice
 

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??? there's three names but yours isn't one of them.And two invisible ones.

I pop in and out of here, but sometimes I "rest my eyes" with the screen left on so decided it would be better if I went invisible. People were thinking I was here and talking to me, I didn't want them to think I was being rude. I may have had the screen up, but wasn't here at all :lol:

And I didn't see Ed either?
 

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Hospice will tailor it to the individuals needs. I brought my cousin here to my home for hospice. It is a long story, but boils down to: we could have: 1) put him in a hospice as an inpatient (I didn't want that, and he wanted to come home to California) 2) kept him at his home (not a consideration as I couldn't walk well with my knee) or 3) bring him to me. We brought him in, but I had spent 11 days with him mostly around the clock giving pain meds, anti-emetics/nausea, bathing him, feeding him, I did it all and at the end requested help so they brought someone in 24/7 so I could get some rest. He died the first night I tried to get more than a few hours of sleep. They supplied the bed and everything needed for him to pass at home. My choice on that, I wanted family with him. He was awed and amazed at how we all came to help him, but family is family and I was the one with the skill set to handle it. And when I needed more help, hospice provided it around the clock.

You do indeed sign a DNR, which means "do not resuscitate" or provide heroics in the hospital but does NOT mean "do not treat". It means you have made the decision that treatment to prolong life should not be given, and only treatment to help the patient pass with dignity is provided. My cousin had gone past the point chemo would help, but was given all comfort meds needed. When it was his time, we let him go without all the drama of sending him to a hospital that had no hope of doing anything other than extending an already painful life. It was the best outcome for everyone. He simply went to sleep when he was ready, and did not wake up.

I also put his brother, my other cousin, in hospice but he lived in a custodial home so I was not able to spend his last time with him; he died within one day of me signing the order. He was diagnosed with end stage lung cancer, I was called, I came right away to sign the papers and he passed. He had suffered a stroke previously, so didn't really communicate his discomfort well and by the time the cancer was found he was too far gone for anything and basically on deaths door. Had I NOT signed the papers, he would have had to go through the whole resuscitation thing, which would have been painful for him and would not have helped but maybe to extend his already painful life a few days with a tube stuck down his throat forcing air into his lungs, in a coma. My sister chose the same thing, as did my mother. We believe that prolonging suffering with machines when the doctor has already explained that no cure exists is not something we want to pursue, and in all cases it was cancer that took them. We believe that passing away with family around us provides more dignity. It is how people used to die before people like me had ICU's to work in. I know very well what I do to patients in ICU, it isn't pretty and it isn't painless so I would never want my loved ones to have their life artificially extended with no hope of comfort or dignity at the end of their life. Don't get me wrong, ICU does wonderful things for patients, but we cannot provide a miracle. That is our choice, everyone has the right to decide what they do or do not want done. I respect everyone's individual choices at all times.

I am sure Carol understands by now where she is in the process of life. Just the trip to see her daughter without any more chemo told her all she needed to know. In fact, if you wanted to, you could have hospice even where you are now and they will send an RN out to go over meds and deliver whatever she needs to stay comfortable where you are. When you return home, you can transfer the care to another hospice (which is what I did for my cousin from Arizona to California). You will never run out of pain medication, you will have an RN on call 24/7 to answer questions or help you. You will have information from caring people who can help you through the emotional process of losing a loved one. You will have the choice of where you want her to pass. The only thing they ask is that you do not freak out and call 911, you call them first. If you choose to call 911 and have her taken to the hospital, the act of calling 911 terminates the hospice and sends them to the hospital, so once you decide on hospice it doesn't mean you have given up the right to hospitalize your loved one. I rescinded hospice for my cousin and knew exactly what I was doing when I did it. It was my cousin's choice to see my brother before he died, he needed a blood transfusion to live long enough for that as my brother had to come home from Korea and as soon as his goal was met, he was brought right back home and I put him right back into hospice where he passed away.

Sorry so long, but I feel very strongly about end of life issues, having dealt with all kinds of families and patients during this time. It is always the PATIENT's choice which must be respected. Some will choose hospicey either at home or inpatient, others will want everything done no matter what.


Thank you. Beautifully and gently stated information we all need to know.

In gratitude aand appreciation, Alice
 

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Newbie about fancy cell phones here....I know how to make a call, but I don't know what the fancy phone does when I get a call...I mean I think it rings some sorta way but I don't know how to answer it!

( and I had my landline turned off today:() I need to know cuz Elvis or the President might try to call me!

Can...would...anyone give me a quick explanation?
 

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    Someones imagination was working overtime

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    Newbie about fancy cell phones here....I know how to make a call, but I don't know what the fancy phone does when I get a call...I mean I think it rings some sorta way but I don't know how to answer it!

    ( and I had my landline turned off today:() I need to know cuz Elvis or the President might try to call me!

    Can...would...anyone give me a quick explanation?

    If the phone is closed hun, simply open it to answer a call. If the phone is already open, you will see "answer" on the screen" (of course the phone will be ringing anyways lol_) then you simply press "Yes". Thenn the screen will say "Connected".

    And of course you already know, anytime you're talking on this phone, you have to dance like King Cat Walsh!
     
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