The "Rolls royce" of PV´s?

[Junglegeorge]

Now that looks like a Rolls

Thats a beautiful PV for sure

 

[Junglegeorge]

Yeah... I've thought about getting the Darwin, but from a practicality standpoint, I almost ALWAYS throw a tank on to my device when I go out. I just don't want to have to bother with dripping, or refilling cartos, so a tank has been the perfect solution for me, when out and about.

A tank doesn't seem like it would work that easily on a Darwin. You'd (I believe) need an extender, you couldn't close the Darwin to shut it off without taking the tank off, etc. etc.

My ProVari, which I've had for a year, has worked flawlessly. While not exactly pocket friendly, it certainly can fit in a shirt pocket, even with a tank on top.

What I'm now waiting on is the Touchwood! Can't wait to get a Touchwood, and toss a Kick into it to give me variable volt vapping with "old country" looks! Now THAT, to ME, is going to be a great combo! Add a JonBoyUSMC LavaTank to it, and I'd be good to go!

Thats a beautiful PV for sure

 

[Sunray]

You've insulted Hyundai's everywhere.


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Not at all. I own a Jinny and a Lavatube and the description fit quite well.

 

[Fazed]

Not at all. I own a Jinny and a Lavatube and the description fit quite well.

I stand by my statement.


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[wv2win]

You yourself have claimed a heavy vapor can never get more than an hour per 100mah.

In fact you said it as soon as two days ago?



Please tell me how the Darwin circumnavigates physics.

You probably do get 21+ hours on the 1800 mah darwin what amazes me is that you can't comprehend getting almost 5 hours on a 380 mah battery when its basically the same math.

On standard batteries the average is 1 hour of light to moderate vaping for 100 mAh. The 1800 mAh battery (not your standard battery) from what the engineers told me, along with the circuitry they use is able to make the battery consumption more efficient. Not being an electrical engineer, I do not know how they do that but I know from my own experience and the hundreds of post in the Darwin thread, it works.

I have used 15 different models and the 100 mAh = one hour vaping holds true for your medium to low end models based on my experience and the hundreds of other people's feedback. 5 hours on a 380 mAh standard battery does not track unless the person is a light vapor. Rarely do any of your posts track with what others post on their vaping experience.

 

[wv2win]

The Darwin (or any other big battery mod) is not 'defying physics'.
It has much to do with what atty you use, and your draw time/style.

What is important to realize is that neither of the batteries is going to fully drain before the PV shuts itself down. There needs to be a little head room to prevent thermal venting and things of that nature. In fact, this is why it's not recommend to use LR on mini batteries...a single drag could possibly be more than is in that safety reservoir.

It's also important to realize that a Darwin uses over powered cells for the application, capable of 12v, and 6amps or more, and uses electronics to keep the wattage at a constant level for every draw. With such a battery combo they're just trickling amps with something like a 3 Ohm atty on there.

Other big battery mods use IMR batteries with big C ratings, then use boosters to keep the voltage regulated at a steady level...so even as the battery is getting closer to it's lower limits of performance, the vape is still the same.

If a battery has a really low mah rating...you just don't have that safety headroom. Yes, you could get into specialized atomizers and possibly find a min-cig-shaped PV that gets longer battery life than usual. It's just rare. While an unregulated e-cig might fire and make vape for a full 5 hours....it's going to start curving downward steeply in performance at the second half of that charge cycle.

OK, think of it like this:

If you have a full water tank up on a hill, and a bucket at the bottom of a hill that you are using to fill that bucket.
You always want enough extra capacity in your system to keep all the pipes and at least one bucket full. If not, the tower could 'implode' if more than that last bit of water is drained too quickly.

For this reason, you need head-room in the battery. For typical min-e-cigs off the shelf, they reserve way more than is needed for that safety margin. They don't want batteries blowing up in people's faces.

Big battery mods also keep some in reserve...but it's not as big of a ratio to the total capacity of the battery.

Nice job explaining it much better than I did, Credo. I doubt if Goldenkobold can understood it, but good try.

 

[wv2win]

Yeah... I've thought about getting the Darwin, but from a practicality standpoint, I almost ALWAYS throw a tank on to my device when I go out. I just don't want to have to bother with dripping, or refilling cartos, so a tank has been the perfect solution for me, when out and about.

A tank doesn't seem like it would work that easily on a Darwin. You'd (I believe) need an extender, you couldn't close the Darwin to shut it off without taking the tank off, etc. etc.

My ProVari, which I've had for a year, has worked flawlessly. While not exactly pocket friendly, it certainly can fit in a shirt pocket, even with a tank on top.

What I'm now waiting on is the Touchwood! Can't wait to get a Touchwood, and toss a Kick into it to give me variable volt vapping with "old country" looks! Now THAT, to ME, is going to be a great combo! Add a JonBoyUSMC LavaTank to it, and I'd be good to go!

I don't use a tank but I do use the mega EMDCC's which are quite big and I have no problem closing it with the short extender.

 

[wv2win]

.............Now there seems to be a new contender coming soon and it is not a PV. The Kick, from the maker of the Darwin will convert the GG and Super T to a Variable Wattage mod. Though the Kick is not a RR PV, it will truly be a Convertible RR....

I think the Kick could be a real "game changer".

 

[speedemon]

Provaris and 2.0-2.5ohm dc cartos great set up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kami]

Originally Posted by retird
.............Now there seems to be a new contender coming soon and it is not a PV. The Kick, from the maker of the Darwin will convert the GG and Super T to a Variable Wattage mod. Though the Kick is not a RR PV, it will truly be a Convertible RR....

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I think the Kick could be a real "game changer".

I agree that the kick will inspire more VV mods....but RR VV Mods? RR Mods are similar to my automobile.....punch a button the top goes down....punch a button the phone is answered.....punch the accelerator you go fast...... My understanding of the Kick is that it's a fiddle with me thingy....it requires a screwdriver to monkey with the potentiomter... Yikes a TOOL.... RR owners do not monkey about under the bonnet ....RR owners do not carry tools
just sayin'

 

[Goldenkobold]

hundreds of other people's feedback.

You can't just say stuff like this without proof, well you can...and obviously do.. but its meaningless.

It seems the more reasonable assumption based on the variety of users here and what we know about general users is that everyone is different in vape habit, resistance used, and therefore different in how much they can milk the mah so to speak. Even so my battery usage has changed over time and I imagine others will change as well.

100mah an hour is a good estimate, its not a set in stone law. Obviously you should be aware of this since you put out a scenario of your own where Mah changes based on device (dual coil vs whatever else). The darwin will last some people 15 hours some two days. It is a nice honker of a battery in that ugly as sin case with its finicky swing arm that doesn't allow certain tanks.

9 out of 10 dentist agree the Darwin is uglier than a mutated duck billed platypus dipped in motor oil. Rolls Royce its not.

As for the the other post
The kick with its 10 watt limit would actually be more limiting that the built in amp limit on the Provari/Lavatube and much more so than the Buzz Pro. I would hardly call it a game changer in that it just turns a 18650 mod into a ghetto provari running an 18500. Your Super-T or GG can already go over 10 watts with an LR atomizer meaning the kick would lower your off the charge vape and then raise it as the battery got to lower voltages.

If you want a VV device without limitations you really have to get a box mod like the Big Daddy Meter Mod - Ken's Boxmods which is not limited by watts (like the darwin or kick) or amps (like the provari or lava tube).

 

[wv2win]

.........9 out of 10 dentist agree the Darwin is uglier than a mutated duck billed platypus dipped in motor oil. Rolls Royce its not...................If you want a VV device without limitations you really have to get a box mod like the Big Daddy Meter Mod - Ken's Boxmods which is not limited by watts (like the darwin or kick) or amps (like the provari or lava tube).

Obviously there are hundreds, if not more, who own Darwins who disagree with you. There is a Darwin thread backing this up. But from the responses I have read to your posts in many different threads, that comes as no surprise, since most disagree with your ramblings. And when it comes to the Darwin's performance in the Rolls Royce category, you are decidely clueless, which also isn't surprising. It's proven beyond a doubt to perform exceedingly well regardless of what you state.

What's even more funny is your comment promoting a box mod (which I personally like and have one of Ken's - works great) over the Lavatube which you promoted in numerious threads as being the best PV around. Also, the Big Daddy does not have boost circuit technology to negate battery drain or the ablity to charge and vape at the same time. Nothing wrong with the Big Daddy, but it's doesn't have features that models such as the Darwin has. Trying to follow your ramblings/mutterings is at least amusing.

 

[MikeE3]

Did an answer ever get posted as to what this is? A commercial or custom mod?

 

[dearme]

This thread has degenerated into a 'dog fight' which is not very helpful to new members, and this is, after all, the New Members Forum. I realize we all have our favorite PV, but there's no need to make comments personal...........

 

[slumdog]

You can't use dual coil cartomizers with the Provari, unfortunately. That is one of the additional advantages of the Darwin that I prefer.

I have two provari's and have dc's on both of them right now...a 1.6ohm at 4v and a 3ohm at 5.7v and by the way they are both 3.5ml dct's..... do those work on a darwin?

and for the op deff the gg I have those as well and the performance and quality, plus the steampunk look with the brass just bleeds class...... the darwin is .... ugly great pv for what it does but it doesent do much for $250.00

 

[Goldenkobold]

Obviously there are hundreds, if not more, who own Darwins who disagree with you.

Disagree with what? That it is ugly or has a wattage limit? It is very understandable that some people find things aesthetically pleasing and that others do not, but I think you will agree many people have stated the Darwin is one extremely funky looking device...in an industry that has a lot of funky looking devices.

It's proven beyond a doubt to perform exceedingly well regardless of what you state.

What did I state that you interpret as Darwin doesn't work at what it does? Does it have a wattage limit? Yes this isn't a debatable fact. Does that make it "not perform" no, I didn't say that. Does it have a swing arm that won't support some tanks? Yes of course you don't have to be an expert to see this. Does that mean it won't vape? No.

What's even more funny is your comment promoting a box mod (which I personally like and have one of Ken's - works great) over the Lavatube which you promoted in numerious threads as being the best PV around.

I never promoted the Lavatube as the best PV around. Unlike some people I do not go around viewing one mod as the best PV around but rather say, have said, and will probably always say it is dependent on what the user wants. You should try that, listening to what the user wants before making a suggestion. Your agrresive error laden tone isn't conductive to a good exchange of information.

 

[slumdog]

Sure is different pros and cons on different models. I would like a GG with a Darwin or Provaris techincs inside And with a big tank please. Just kidding. All this information is useful to know for me and maybe others reading this.
Sorry to say that vaping isn't that big here in Sweden, yet. Most people I meet haven't even heard about it. But they are very interested. There is a Swedish reseller but the difficult thing about it is that its not legal for them to sell e-juice with nicotin. But you can buy it from their partner in the UK. They are having a get together in Februari but its a 1200 km trip from where I live so I'm not sure if I'll go even though it would be fun.

Imeo... the maker of the gg is working on a vv model right now... should be out in a few months .... or there is always the kick coming out in a bit,vw insert made by the same company,,Evolv,, that makes the darwin, that will fit in any 18500 mod or above with a batt size step down.....

 

[wv2win]

I have two provari's and have dc's on both of them right now...a 1.6ohm at 4v and a 3ohm at 5.7v and by the way they are both 3.5ml dct's..... do those work on a darwin?.........

Both of those work on a Darwin. I'm only going off of what I have read by several Provari owners. I use 1.5 ohm DCC's on the Darwin at 4.8 volts. It is my understanding that if you try that on the Provari it will result in a "error code". If that is incorrect, that it can handle 1.5 ohm at 4.8 volts, then I was given incorrect information and will stand corrected.

 

[retird]

Goldenkobold how about cooling the bashing my friend? The intent of the OP is to identify RR mods that are worth purchasing. As he stated, in part, "My question is which PV is the "Rolls royce" in the vaping world?'. Which PV's do you feel meet RR status?

 

[Credo]

9 out of 10 dentist agree the Darwin is uglier than a mutated duck billed platypus dipped in motor oil. Rolls Royce its not.

I must be #10.

I like the way Darwin looks and feels. It's fairly well streamlined, and doesn't roll all over the place. I love the 'finiky' arm and consider it a shining 'feature' of the PV, because it lets me attach anything I want and use it at many angle, with a wide variation of hand/finger positions. The brass and anodized aluminum has a very biker feel to it in my opinion.

Out of everything I have, I like tanks best on Darwin because I can set it at a little over 90 degrees, and I have a 5 1/2" X 1" platform surface to hold it all when I'm not using it. I.E. I can lay it in the car seat beside me...the tank stays upright, and I don't have to worry about it tipping over. Even if I slam on breaks and it slides to the floor...it's going to land flat down with the tank up.

I don't worry about 'closing the arm' with a tank on it. Who cares? That button isn't going to misfire, and the LCD isn't going to run the battery down either.

For 'pocket' friendly setups...the eGo sized stuff fits and opens and closes for me with a slight extension that I add. These days you can get eGo sized cartos/tanks that hold up to 4ml...you can get them in dual or single coils, or in CE2 variants. They cost about the same as prepunched/precut cartos.