The United States of Fear - Part 1
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People, F34r is obviously a fairly positive and optimistic person. Why would we even want to destroy his brave new world dreams? 
I'm glad the FDA are being sued on a regular basis now, something had to be just right about the US law system!
What I'm not so happy about though is the way the Chinese manufacturers have been reacting (well) to the FDA's intentions while I never saw them worrying about the European TPD. I feel let down.
I'm glad the FDA are being sued on a regular basis now, something had to be just right about the US law system!
What I'm not so happy about though is the way the Chinese manufacturers have been reacting (well) to the FDA's intentions while I never saw them worrying about the European TPD. I feel let down.
The Chinese won't submit any products for approval. The process is an insult to to everybody's intelligence. The proper approach would be for the FDA to make standards. But there are no standards in the rules. That's either because the FDA wants vaping to go away, corruption. Or because they don't know what standards to choose, incompetence.People, F34r is obviously a fairly positive and optimistic person. Why would we even want to destroy his brave new world dreams?
I'm glad the FDA are being sued on a regular basis now, something had to be just right about the US law system!
What I'm not so happy about though is the way the Chinese manufacturers have been reacting (well) to the FDA's intentions while I never saw them worrying about the European TPD. I feel let down.
I don't think anyone is against age restrictions. But age restrictions on products are pretty meaningless and ineffective if we're all being honest with ourselves. Did age restrictions stop any of us from getting anything when we were young?
If anything, age restrictions entice vs deter during the experimental age. I'm not opposed to them but honestly it would probably be a benefit if we didn't have any age restrictions on any product. This is coming from a father of 4 too.
If you believe everything the CASAA tells you, I suggest you start thinking for yourself, read a little more and use some common sense. The CASAA is just like the NRA; they tell their constituents that if you don't heed our warnings and believe all of our rhetoric then your rights will be stripped by the government. Support groups such as these tend to heighten the threats of government to garner support to their cause, panic creates fear, fear creates an outcry and so on...
Don't get me wrong, but I do appreciate the premise of these groups, however, when their rhetoric starts to create hysteria among their followers, then they need to change their rhetoric to something less fearful and a bit more hopeful. I love my vape and I love my guns, but I don't fear them being taken away because the Chicken Little's of the world say so.
Keep calm and vape on, it'll all be fine, a bit different I'm sure, but vaping will continue to exist one way or another.
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I would offer a suggestion to anyone assuming little change - READ the 499 Pages of Regulation and the Open Ended Future Regulation Statement.
I would offer a suggestion to anyone assuming little change - READ the 499 Pages of Regulation and the Open Ended Future Regulation Statement.
The deeming regs take away our vaping gear not our guns.
It'a awfully difficult to remember our real job was to drain the swamp
when we're up to our butts in alligators.
Will vaping continue to exist? It depends on what one calls vaping.
Those of us vaping now wouldn't recognize what will be left if it bit em'.
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Mike
Some of us did but were still shocked at the lengths they are taking---Give an inch and they will take a mile--seems they are taking several of themI feel clever. I'm going to post this everywhere (or at least until I get bored - 3-2-1...).
How did we not see this coming?
Sorry, meant it as an observation, not an attack.
My apologies and exit from the thread.
What's that old saying?
The prudent person hopes for the best, but plans for the worst.
The prudent person hopes for the best, but plans for the worst.
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The child restrictions are a red herring. It's been the common law forever that nobody gives anything to any kid their parents might not approve. Merchants are no exception. Besides bans on selling tobacco to minors there are bans on minors possessing tobacco. Those possession bans are never ever enforced anywhere ever. The people claiming to be protecting children by restricting sale of ecigs are, simply, lying hypocrites.
And I've said it more than once, I wish ecigs had been around when I was a kid. Parents should decide if their kids can have an ecig off school property.
And I've said it more than once, I wish ecigs had been around when I was a kid. Parents should decide if their kids can have an ecig off school property.
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Not according to the FDA... It's not just CASAA, it's AVA, it's the cigar shops, it's the people who actually read the FDA deeming regulations. Who's panicking? I'm not stockpiling until the AG bill doesn't pass. The government will take your' vape away, the won't take our guns because they know there will be a civil war.
You can't be this naive. I've been in this game since 09, they plan to kill the industry. It's what they wanted. Both BT and BP do not want people to quit smoking and the government does not want to give up the easy tax revenue that they get from cigarettes. Big Tobacco has done this before with roll you own, and by encouraging regulations that would cripple competition. There is nothing preventing them from doing this again.
They have played games this last 7 years only to look like they planned to listen, they never did. The FDA is the enemy of the people, it's time you realize that.
They have played games this last 7 years only to look like they planned to listen, they never did. The FDA is the enemy of the people, it's time you realize that.
They will eventually take the guns, the Australian example has already been mentioned...just a matter of time on that issue. There will never be another US of A civil war...the citizens are far too out gunned by the machine. Any uprising will be quelled before it ever gains any momentum. You are being watched and monitored...24/7
I would split & say it's a combination of both led by fear & greed. There is ample information anyone can look up, read, understand regarding vaping. A choice to not do so is indicating blatant stupidity. This is usually fueled by fear and greed. Think in this case it is more befit to greed than fear. Seems the money trail is easy enough to follow.
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