Things I'd like to see in a starter kit

[cherrypopwizkid]

Maybe some distributers do these things, I don't know, but this is just a couple of issues that bug me with starter kits.

The starter kits I've seen usually include two batteries, an atomizer, a charger, and five carts of various strengths and sometimes various flavors.

I would like to see:

2 atomizers: If you gave us two batteries, why not two atomizers! Its not that much of a cost difference, apparently they are over priced anyway which is why buying a set of five cost less per atomizer than a single does. I get that you let one battery charge while the other one is being used, but in all seriousness most people go through more than one battery a day anyway, they usually have to cycle between two. The atomizers give out WAY faster than the batteries, and I think lack of supplies is the number one reason people go back to analogs. So in my opinion, for someone starting for the first time on a starter kit, if they establish that they like them, you could at least supply enough atomizers to last them until their order of replacements come in.

Blank carts: I've seen very few people now who stay on prefilled carts very long. If you want to stay proactive in the industry, you sell liquid. This is becoming such common knowledge that its cheaper to refill yourself that a lot of new buyers are buying liquid with their starter kits anyway. So life would just be a lot simplier, if you just including a blank cart or two so we don't have to try to clean out a cart or smoke through 0, 2, 4, 8 etc. etc. just to use the liquid we know we want to use.

Tweezers: Why the heck not? Cheap plastic ones. I know I don't own any tweezers, I could buy some, but what a convinent little through in. If they can come with an ant farm why not an e-cig.

Fully charged batteries: a lot of places do do this, I think it should be standard. We are excited to drop the analogs and go straight to the e-cig, and we are going to get a craving between reciving the package and the 8 or so hours it takes to fully charge a battery. Just charge them before you package and ship.

A carrying case: doesn't have to be something fancy, I can't believe how expensive these things are. If we are carrying our ecigs with us, we are using them more. If we use them more we need supplies more often, and that makes the distributor money. Its a win-win situation.

Thoughts?

 

[antism]

I understand, and fully agree on some points (attys/charged batts), but partially or not at all on the others. I'll start with what I DON'T agree with.

Tweezers: Uhhh...really? Yah, it would be a nice addition, but throwing in tweezers just adds to the confusion that is "Your first e-cig." There is a lot to learn when you start vaping, and throwing too much at a first time buyer could simply turn them off to the idea. I can understand including this in a DIY kit or similar, but for a standard pv kit I think that's a step too far. Let's get it in their hands and let them grasp the idea of sucking on a battery before we start throwing modification options at them. That's the only one I completely disagree with...

Blank Carts: Some kits come with blank carts already. Mainly exposed atty builds, but it does happen. In my experience, I didn't understand the necessity for an empty cart when I got my first PV (it was a Blu and came with one). I almost instantly lost it. I didn't really give in to dripping until I got my first 510. And I really think the first introduction to modding your device starts with discovering it on the forums and pulling that first cart filler out. Once you realize something can be easily changed for the better, you want to find out what else you can do to make your vaping experience easier and more satisfying for you. I suppose supplying and empty cart MAY get you to that point quicker, but I guess that's a study yet to be done.

Carrying Case: Also comes with some kits in the form of PCCs. 510 (optional), Blu (and the like), KR808 etc... I do like the idea though. The question is how would this effect a price for the kit. Even if it is a cheap zip up it may kick the cost up enough to change someone's decision. Maybe the best option would be a plastic pocket protector type case that just folds over to cover, is cheap to produce, and weighs practically nothing. It is certainly better than nothing. And really it might get people used to having a case and get them looking for better options to their "included" carrying case.

Overall, your ideas certainly make sense, and I guess to a certain extent I agree on all of your points. My main argument is that these come from the mouth (fingertips whatever, lol) of an experienced vaper. Someone who knows (next to) nothing about vaping doesn't require all of these. Mainly they just want to try it out to see if it can help them get off of analogs.

 

[RIMP]

Maybe some distributers do these things, I don't know, but this is just a couple of issues that bug me with starter kits.

The starter kits I've seen usually include two batteries, an atomizer, a charger, and five carts of various strengths and sometimes various flavors.

I would like to see:

2 atomizers: If you gave us two batteries, why not two atomizers! Its not that much of a cost difference, apparently they are over priced anyway which is why buying a set of five cost less per atomizer than a single does. I get that you let one battery charge while the other one is being used, but in all seriousness most people go through more than one battery a day anyway, they usually have to cycle between two. The atomizers give out WAY faster than the batteries, and I think lack of supplies is the number one reason people go back to analogs. So in my opinion, for someone starting for the first time on a starter kit, if they establish that they like them, you could at least supply enough atomizers to last them until their order of replacements come in.

Blank carts: I've seen very few people now who stay on prefilled carts very long. If you want to stay proactive in the industry, you sell liquid. This is becoming such common knowledge that its cheaper to refill yourself that a lot of new buyers are buying liquid with their starter kits anyway. So life would just be a lot simplier, if you just including a blank cart or two so we don't have to try to clean out a cart or smoke through 0, 2, 4, 8 etc. etc. just to use the liquid we know we want to use.

Tweezers: Why the heck not? Cheap plastic ones. I know I don't own any tweezers, I could buy some, but what a convinent little through in. If they can come with an ant farm why not an e-cig.

Fully charged batteries: a lot of places do do this, I think it should be standard. We are excited to drop the analogs and go straight to the e-cig, and we are going to get a craving between reciving the package and the 8 or so hours it takes to fully charge a battery. Just charge them before you package and ship.

A carrying case: doesn't have to be something fancy, I can't believe how expensive these things are. If we are carrying our ecigs with us, we are using them more. If we use them more we need supplies more often, and that makes the distributor money. Its a win-win situation.

Thoughts?

A comprehensive manual would be good too
RIMP

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

Antism...y-you called me an experinced vaper... This might be one of the proudest moments of my life.

I actually agree with your arguments against me. I see your point. Also, yes a comprehensive manual is something I thought about too and forgot to include in the post.

So maybe though another option is a deluxe kit, for anyone who wants to get that extra stuff with their set, at least the carrying case, blanks, and extra atomizer. (Though I really think an extra atomizer should be STANDARD even in the most basic kit.)

I really don't think the carrying case would have to drive the price up very much. Like you said, a backpack material zip up with a compartment for carts and an elastic band that holds the e-cig tightly in place? Cheap. I think it could be done.

I'll add to that while its important to remember beginners buy starter kits they don't do it exclusively (hints a deluxe kit target group). I have a 901 kit thats just down the right at the USPS sorting facility and will be in my mail box tomorrow. Can't wait!!

 

[DWTaylor]

well I can understand some of it. yea blanks okay not to much toss in 5. another atomizer yea, I cycle thru 4 in a week, I am new I over fill so yea another atomizer. A PCC?? no most places it is like 25 to 30. best wholesale I can find is about 15. passthrough I think is needed about 10 to 12 bucks. Tweezers..... no if ya need them ya can get them at walmart for 2 bucks, get them while ya getting your foodstuffs.
A little carrying case sure I can see that, for like a 510 or 901 cool I see it.
I do want you to keep in mind the starter sets are prices so if ya want to try and are not sure ya have little to lose compared to a mall ecig, but what you are wanting isn't a starter set.
You want this cause you have used your ecig, you have found this great forum, and now ya trying to get the most out of your ecig smoking.
Dude some of this I'll keep in mind if I ever start selling ecigs, but keep in mind you could have bought these kits, extra parts on any ecig site.
I am sure ya didn't want to spend the money on it, mostly cause you were new and wanted to make sure you would use it and keep it.
So we understand but please don't make it seem like the companies that sell this great product look greedy, or don't care. They want to make money yea but if they stick it to ya they will never get repeat orders or even new.
They sold you what is needed to get started. Not what you need to get the most out of ecigs.
If so they would have sent ya premade cart mods as well, with juice.

 

[antism]

Antism...y-you called me an experinced vaper... This might be one of the proudest moments of my life.

I actually agree with your arguments against me. I see your point. Also, yes a comprehensive manual is something I thought about too and forgot to include in the post.

So maybe though another option is a deluxe kit, for anyone who wants to get that extra stuff with their set, at least the carrying case, blanks, and extra atomizer. (Though I really think an extra atomizer should be STANDARD even in the most basic kit.)

I really don't think the carrying case would have to drive the price up very much. Like you said, a backpack material zip up with a compartment for carts and an elastic band that holds the e-cig tightly in place? Cheap. I think it could be done.

I'll add to that while its important to remember beginners buy starter kits they don't do it exclusively (hints a deluxe kit target group). I have a 901 kit thats just down the right at the USPS sorting facility and will be in my mail box tomorrow. Can't wait!!

If you've been vaping since around April of last year, you better be an experienced vaper. There are some out there who've been vaping for 3 or 4 months and have more knowledge and experience with different models and parts than myself and I've been going at it for a little longer than you. My prob is I'm a cheap b@stard and won't drop cash on every model out there just to try it. I like research.

The Deluxe kits are a good idea. Some suppliers have these along with standard and bare bones kits. BLECHH!!! Sorry just got THE TASTE.

 

[MickiO]

2 atomizer with 2 batteries,

and extension for charging manual batteries that come in a kit

I have a suggestion to Suppliers, when you buy new atomizers, it would nice if the mouth piece inside the atty actually contained a cart w/filler. Doesn't have to liquid, even an empty one would nice.

How many mouth pieces can one possibly use?, without the cart, what else are they good for?, I've saved few, but after awhile, I started throwing them away. If they had the cart w/filler (empty), we could actually use them, hey, now there's a concept, lol

Seems like such a waste for as many as I know they must sell. How many people get their new atomizers and throw those out?

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

pbtaylor - absolutely. I definitely don't think they don't care or are greedy. In fact e-cigs are still so underground in a way that they are a lot more connected to the customer in most cases than other industries are. In fact while it will be great when the FDA backs off and e-cigs really hit main stream, I think that is when we might start to miss the days when we knew the distributers first name. These are just suggestions. Products innovate and change all the time. Mcdonalds releases a different value meal to attract customers and try out what works. I guess the point of this post is, if I were on a board council for say TW, or NJoy I might suggest these things at a meeting. Some things, like the tweezers, I kind of knew would crash when I suggested them, but I figured I thought about it, might as well throw it out there. You never know whats going to bite.

Antism - I've vaped the standard SE model whose number I forget, the one most people got suckered into (though I didn't exactly hate it). And the DSE901. I stick to the 901. I am with you, I don't like exploring around. While it would be cool to try out all these different models, money doesn't grow on trees. I saw the most positive feedback for the DSE901, it seemed to be the middle of the road conservative choice. Avaialbe, effective, and economical, so I went and stuck with it. However, just because of the Cthulu like legends surrounding it, I would love even if just once, to vape a screwdriver. I think if I saw one in person, I'd have to do the Wayne's World "I'm not worthy!'' chant and bow. XD

 

[dawgcrazy]

Maybe some distributers do these things, I don't know, but this is just a couple of issues that bug me with starter kits.

The starter kits I've seen usually include two batteries, an atomizer, a charger, and five carts of various strengths and sometimes various flavors.

I would like to see:

2 atomizers: If you gave us two batteries, why not two atomizers! Its not that much of a cost difference, apparently they are over priced anyway which is why buying a set of five cost less per atomizer than a single does. I get that you let one battery charge while the other one is being used, but in all seriousness most people go through more than one battery a day anyway, they usually have to cycle between two. The atomizers give out WAY faster than the batteries, and I think lack of supplies is the number one reason people go back to analogs. So in my opinion, for someone starting for the first time on a starter kit, if they establish that they like them, you could at least supply enough atomizers to last them until their order of replacements come in.

Blank carts: I've seen very few people now who stay on prefilled carts very long. If you want to stay proactive in the industry, you sell liquid. This is becoming such common knowledge that its cheaper to refill yourself that a lot of new buyers are buying liquid with their starter kits anyway. So life would just be a lot simplier, if you just including a blank cart or two so we don't have to try to clean out a cart or smoke through 0, 2, 4, 8 etc. etc. just to use the liquid we know we want to use.

Tweezers: Why the heck not? Cheap plastic ones. I know I don't own any tweezers, I could buy some, but what a convinent little through in. If they can come with an ant farm why not an e-cig.

Fully charged batteries: a lot of places do do this, I think it should be standard. We are excited to drop the analogs and go straight to the e-cig, and we are going to get a craving between reciving the package and the 8 or so hours it takes to fully charge a battery. Just charge them before you package and ship.

A carrying case: doesn't have to be something fancy, I can't believe how expensive these things are. If we are carrying our ecigs with us, we are using them more. If we use them more we need supplies more often, and that makes the distributor money. Its a win-win situation.

Thoughts?

The place I ordered my 510 from, the kit did come with 2 attys. I ordered an extra one anyway on the advice of Don, as well as an extra battery. So I have 3 of each. My kit came with 5 prefilled carts and 1 empty one. I also received an instruction manual that I had no problems figuring out, and also my charger. The starter kit itself was $43. Some type of case to carry it all in would've been nice, but I had something laying around the house anyway that works quite well. It doesn't charge my batts, but it does hold all my crap.

 

[LoveMeTender]

Personally, if I were to order another PV I'd just want the bare essentials to keep the cost down, just the PV, batteries, and a charger. I do think they should offer maybe a starter kit with some of the items you mentioned and maybe include some small dropper bottles.

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

dawgcrazy, that sounds liek a really good deal. I think I paid...hmm...I want to say just right at 50 for my starter...But I ordered liquid too so I can't quite remember.

How is the 510 for you? I've seen that ID floating around the forum, never took the time to look into one.

 

[antism]

God cherry, you're stuck in the dark ages! Maybe you aren't as experienced as I first assumed. The SD is now called the 905...changed as soon as it went commercial, and it's not really considered much compared to current mod options. High Voltage mods are all the rave baby! Get w/ the times Of course they almost double the cost of the 905. I would say the Silver Bullet or Chuck would be the "new" Screwdriver (in the same way black is the new white, or down is the new up). What have you done with all your time on the forum? Did you disappear for 8 months?

 

[Thyestean]

Lots, I'd dare say almost all, of places have options of different starter kits that allow for purchase of a kit with either 1 or 2 atomizers and some have options of kits that include carrying cases. I think that is the best way for them to go because some people just can't or won't fork out the cash to buy the higher priced starter kit in the first place if they have never tried an e-cig first hand. As for the cases being expensive, for a PCC yes some places they are but for just a regular carrying case I know of at least 2 places, *looks down at own sig line * , that have them for around $5.


As for your last comment asking about the 510 I know of at least 2 places, *looks down again*, that carry the new 510 "disposables" for $10 which is a great way to try out a 510 on the cheap. And most people seem to be finding they aren't so disposable as they are getting upwards of 30 - 50 charges on the batteries as opposed to the 3 or 4 charges that are advertised.

 

[Thyestean]

God cherry, you're stuck in the dark ages! Maybe you aren't as experienced as I first assumed. The SD is now called the 905...changed as soon as it went commercial, and it's not really considered much compared to current mod options. High Voltage mods are all the rave baby! Get w/ the times Of course they almost double the cost of the 905. I would say the Silver Bullet or Chuck would be the "new" Screwdriver (in the same way black is the new white, or down is the new up). What have you done with all your time on the forum? Did you disappear for 8 months?

That isn't correct. The "Screwdriver" is still out there and being sold. The 905 is a "knockoff" emulating that design that is out now. I myself haven't ever had one of the original "Screwdriver" mods but I can say the 905 v2 that I've had for about a month and a half now performs very well and has had no issues.

 

[antism]

I do wanna test out one of the disposable 510s. For $10 you can't go wrong.

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

....Yes.... LOL!

Thats exactly what happened. In a tragic play of events I lost all my ecig stuff. For a while I was smoking analogs. I just recently came back. I wasn't aware of the 905 name change, I was on TW's site a lot this week and they are still calling it a screw driver. I have been seeing a lot on here about high voltage. Look, I can save a few bucks by sticking my tounge on a wall socket I've dripped a little flue-treated liquid onto.

lol, jk. I don't know, Im just glad to be back in the game. I'll catch up quickly enough.

 

[cherrypopwizkid]

and thats what I'm talking about! Screw the 905 (no pun intended) and the commerical SDs. I want a tetnus shot after I vape this sucker. I want a rusty looking screwdriver a 500 pound guy named Jimbo made from blue prints he bought for a quarter in his tool shed with a snapon and a car battery.

lol. seriously though, owning an old custom mod screwdriver would be like owning a colecovision or an Atari 5200 that had never been taken out of the box. So cool.

 

[antism]

LOL!! It's cool...just givin ya crap. I did the same thing. Was on for about 3 months, then disappeared for about 3 months. Been back on the forums for just about a couple months now, and learned more than I did my first time around. Things have changed so quickly and effectively I don't think it would be possible to go back to analogs now that I'm on the bandwagon.

That isn't correct. The "Screwdriver" is still out there and being sold. The 905 is a "knockoff" emulating that design that is out now. I myself haven't ever had one of the original "Screwdriver" mods but I can say the 905 v2 that I've had for about a month and a half now performs very well and has had no issues.

Ya I realize it's a Chinese ripoff. I don't know what the build difference is, and really I only see it referenced as a 905 lately. Usually the only reference I've seen to the SD are the homemade mods. Either way, it's slowly fading out into the long list of mods that come out every week. I actually was looking for a reliable 3.7 backup to my V2, would you suggest the 905?

 

[Thyestean]

and thats what i'm talking about! Screw the 905 (no pun intended) and the commerical sds. I want a tetnus shot after i vape this sucker. I want a rusty looking screwdriver a 500 pound guy named jimbo made from blue prints he bought for a quarter in his tool shed with a snapon and a car battery.

Lol. Seriously though, owning an old custom mod screwdriver would be like owning a colecovision or an atari 5200 that had never been taken out of the box. So cool.

lol ...


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[Belhade]

The cignot starter kits are excellent; this appears to be the best example you're looking for.

Two batteries, two atomizers with "dummy" carts (no filler) and five pre-filled carts. If you want empty carts to fill yourself, you can either wash out the pre-fills (which you'll need to get used to doing anyways) or put filler into the dummies. I got this kit and a 20ml bottle of juice for $52 total, I think it's a great deal.