Third-hand vapor .. causes cancer?

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P3rplexity

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Fifth problem: The source is a lab facility based out of California (where everything causes cancer)...and based at the Super Ultra Liberal Berkley..now mind you I'm not against your standard everyday liberal (in fact I am one)..but BERKLEY?...these tree hugging, granola eatin', birkenstock wearin', hacky sack playin', pachouli stankin' SOBs are just over the top..I mean come on these are the people that gave Timothy Leary a PHD and hired him on as faculty.

Heeeeey... I like hacky sack :oops:

Lol j/k, but in all seriousness this is probably just a bunch of crap. They are so desperate now they are throwing out airhead theories with wholes all over the place. I wouldn't worry too much about it, we are getting closer to where we were 6 months ago that's for damn sure.
 

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I'm getting sick of this crap. OK, a list of things that cause cancer and need to be banned, one at a time please ...
I'll start

POPCORN

Who's next? I'm guessing that we can get to four figures on things that can cause cancer. Let's ban 'em all.
Fascists.

Sunlight, time to destroy that big ol' star
 

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"I'm getting sick of this crap. OK, a list of things that cause cancer and need to be banned, one at a time please ..."

I can remember very clearly the media making a big hoop and holler about peanut butter causing cancer.

Oh...and now according to some headlines it's sodas....although if you check the numbers cited seems to me, unless I'm totally insane or can't read, that they proved the opposite....hmnnnn.....
 

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Note to self: Do not exhale vapor all day long onto a square meter of cellulite substrate, leave the material beside the gas water heater pilot overnight, and lick the surface clean in the morning. This is a potentially dangerous practice. It may result in consuming as much nitrosamines as are absorbed from a few cigarettes. The most prominent of these nitrosamines may or may not be carcinogenic.

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Its replies like this that keep me coming back everyday!
 

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By that study it's not the nicotine that's bad it's the (nitrous acid). I think the FDA should jump on the band wagon and regulate nitrous acid. They could watch for shipments coming from China and do studies with tax payer money and have it classified as a drug. Then the DEA could come into your home at anytime and search for nitrous acid. If they find any you will go to prison as a dealer and your home,cars and dog would be seized. They could set up set up nitrous acid scanners at the airport and check for it in your shoes. Let's get this nitrous acid it's bad VERY BAD.
 

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correct me if I'm wrong, but a PNAS "direct submission" means that you're either a member of the national academy of sciences, or can get an academy member to sponsor your submission. It's not always strictly peer review. They've changed or are changing the process, but the reputation that goes with a PNAS article may not be deserved. PNAS: Read It, or Not?. In the Pipeline:
 

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Let me see if I understand the science. :p

According to FDA, we may get too much nicotine from electronic cigarettes and overdose. According to the UK's MPHA, we won't get enough nicotine, which will spoil our attempts to stop smoking as well as prejudice us against using their much more effective NRT products. And according to the VCU study, we aren't getting any nicotine at all.

Now, according the the Californians, I have second hand smoke lying around everywhere (guess I should get around to doing a little house-cleaning), and I am likely to go out and get a gas furnace to install in my all electric home and get cancer from the ambient nicotine reacting with the Nitrous Acid.



My father smoked. I smoked for 45 years and also had a husband smoking in the same house for 30+ years. I lived in homes with gas furnaces for half my life. Hmmm.... :confused:

Actually, I died of cancer 20 years ago and my ghost is writing this.

:lol:

Does that about cover it?

Well, I like the way your ghost thinks....................................:lol:
 

elysianwing

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Ridiculous.

Every time a "smoker" fixes, addresses, or makes peace with a problem, anti-smoking Nazis will pile more BS on top of the heap.

anti-smokers: smoke stinks, you stink now too
smokers: whatever
anti-smokers : you're killing yourself
smokers: oh well
anti-smokers : you're killing me too, with second-hand smoke
smokers: really?
anti-smokers: you're actually killing me more....
smokers: huh? how's that?
anti-smokers: banned!
vapers: oh well
anti-smokers: whats that you have there?
vapers: .....oh crap
anti-smokers: you're possibly killing yourself!
vapers: *sigh*
anti-smokers : you're possibly killing me more, with "third-hand" smoke!
vapers: ...........
 

gasp

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Ridiculous.

Every time a "smoker" fixes, addresses, or makes peace with a problem, anti-smoking Nazis will pile more BS on top of the heap.

anti-smokers: smoke stinks, you stink now too
smokers: whatever
anti-smokers : you're killing yourself
smokers: oh well
anti-smokers : you're killing me too, with second-hand smoke
smokers: really?
anti-smokers: you're actually killing me more....
smokers: huh? how's that?
anti-smokers: banned!
vapers: oh well
anti-smokers: whats that you have there?
vapers: .....oh crap
anti-smokers: you're possibly killing yourself!
vapers: *sigh*
anti-smokers : you're possibly killing me more, with "third-hand" smoke!
vapers: ...........

haven't we all had this exact conversation at least twice today?
 

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PNAS is certainly a respected journal. I would love to publish in it myself. I would upload the original article from PNAS, but I've evidently exceeded my attachment quota. Suggestions anyone? One has to keep in mind, however, that even PNAS can publish questionable papers.

There is one sentence that is standing out to me:

"TSNA absent in freshly emitted tobacco smoke, as the major product."

TSNA means tobacco-specific nitrosamine. So how can it be a TNAS and not be in tobacco? Loose usage of the TSNA term?

Also, here is another strange statement:
"Nicotine, their precursor, is the most abundant organic compound emitted during smoking (up to 8 mg per cigarette)."

More abundant than CO2 or CO? More abundant than ash-tar-carbon compounds? Is this true?

As for vaping, wasn't there a study that said we do not exhale significant quantities of nicotine, that it almost all gets orally absorbed?

And with smoking, without the ash-smoke particles, which nic attaches itself to, would there be any surface nic to be found? Its the tars that build up all over the surfaces, holding nic in place. They sort of force the issue by blasting a surface with nic, not smoke, but we don't know about nic on surfaces from a VG/PG vapor. I cannot help but think there would be essentially none from vaping, even if we were to exhale a lot, which we don't. And there is no VG buildup from vaping in my office.

The article is quite deep chemically, with lots of chemical mechanisms proposed. It can certainly be used as fuel against smoking, which TPTB would likely use against vaping. But since this will likely not result in a banning of analogs, how could they justify banning PVs with it?

I am wating for Jason/Pillbox to get more info from their health agency about similar concerns with the UK situation. I am tired of studies showing how bad smoking is leading to PVs under attack, and analogs still remaining on the shelves.
 
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