This is so frustrating...to the point where I want to go back to analogs

[VapingRulz]

I enjoy vaping, the flavor-taste- enjoyment-pleasure etc... but if this stuff is harmful, I then feel maybe cigarettes are the lesser of the two evils.

The ingredient you're worried about is also in tobacco cigarettes - along with nearly 4,000 other ingredients, many of them very toxic. Cigarettes are NOT the lesser evil.

 

[VapingRulz]

Does it ever mellow out? I feel like my life has been consumed by juice, atomizers, and voltage. Do you ever get to a point where you are happy with your equipment? When you find something that actually works?

You sound like a good candidate for a KR808D-1. They're easy to use (2 pieces) and you don't have to fuss. Just screw on the cartomizer and vape.

Another one that may interest you is the IGo, which I'm thinking of buying next. It's getting great reviews and it's simple to use - but the battery lasts a long time. They sell it at NHaler.The iGo

 

[DC2]

I am thinking of going back to analogs for health reasons myself! But I prefer vaping but after reading the new report from the FDA.. seems ecigs are worse then analogs read this snip> The stuff has antifreeze in it. I'm doing more research before I switch back, but this is a very alarming report!

We felt it important that while there is litigation and we are considering options, there is no reason to be confused about FDA's position on this issue," Joshua Sharfstein, MD, FDA principal deputy commissioner, said.

At the news conference, FDA analyst Benjamin Westenberger described testing 19 cartridges from the two e-cigarettes at the FDA's St. Louis facility. Among the findings:

All but one cartridge marked as having no nicotine actually contained the addictive substance.
Cartridges marked as having low, medium, or high amounts of nicotine actually had varying amounts of nicotine.
One of the cartridges contained a toxic antifreeze ingredient, diethylene glycol.
The devices emitted "tobacco-specific nitrosamines which are human carcinogens."
The devices emitted "tobacco-specific impurities suspected of being harmful to humans."
The FDA news conference also featured experts who issued strong warnings against e-cigarettes.

You are being lied to and fooled by those who want electronic cigarettes out of the picture.
And right now they are smiling from ear-to-ear reading what you just said.

The people are getting these lies from the media, which has been parroting the complete and utter BS released by the FDA regarding the results of some tests they ran on a few Smoking Everywhere and NJoy cartridges.

The antifreeze scare was based on the finding of a bit of diethylene glycol in one cartridge tested.

While important to take note of since is should NOT be in there, it was found in only one cartridge out of the 19 tested.
It was NOT found in the any of the NJoy cartridges tested, only in one of the Smoking Everywhere cartridges.

And even knowing that, you should also know that the amount of diethylene glycol that was found in that one Smoking Everywhere cartridge (approximately 1% according to the test results) is not particularly harmful and would require sucking down around 600 hundred cartridges in one day to get near a toxic level.

Also of note is that diethylene glycol is also in cigarettes.
And the FDA allows amounts of less that 0.1% to be present in any products that contain propylene glycol.

Yeah, that is not the best news, but not the worst news either.
And yes, again, that diethylene glycol should not be in there no matter how little there was.


As for the carcinogens, they found around six or seven different nitrosamines, which are carcinogens.

These nitrosamines come from the extraction of nicotine from tobacco.
They are also found in smoking cessation products in approximately the same amounts.

And of course they are also found in real cigarettes, but in much, much, much higher amounts.
Somewhere on the order of 1500 times more in real cigarettes actually.
Along with more than 30 additional carcinogens as well.

The amount of them they found in the juice, however, is so low as to be virtually harmless.


And while these things were found in the liquid, they were not found in the vapor.
And that would be an extremely important distinction to make as well.


EDIT: For anyone that wants to do the research for themselves, just read this...
Electronic cigarettes as a harm reduction strategy for tobacco control

 

[DC2]

Moving this information to the previous post as an edit...

 

[robbrevere]

But for anyone that wants to do the research for themselves, just read this...
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/centers-institutes/population-development/files/article.jphp.pdf

Been looking for something like this other than the new zeland study.. thank you

 

[BestLion]

Thanks DC2 Makes me feel better! That really cleared alot up. Thanks so much for the info!

 

[DC2]

Oops, double post.

 

[lakelandvpr]

I wouldn't suggest a non smoker decide to just start vaping, but choosing between an analog cig and an E cig, I'm gonna take my chances with the E cig.

 

[cookiebun]

I am thinking of going back to analogs for health reasons myself! But I prefer vaping but after reading the new report from the FDA.. seems ecigs are worse then analogs read this snip> The stuff has antifreeze in it. I'm doing more research before I switch back, but this is a very alarming report!

We felt it important that while there is litigation and we are considering options, there is no reason to be confused about FDA's position on this issue," Joshua Sharfstein, MD, FDA principal deputy commissioner, said.

At the news conference, FDA analyst Benjamin Westenberger described testing 19 cartridges from the two e-cigarettes at the FDA's St. Louis facility. Among the findings:

All but one cartridge marked as having no nicotine actually contained the addictive substance.
Cartridges marked as having low, medium, or high amounts of nicotine actually had varying amounts of nicotine.
One of the cartridges contained a toxic antifreeze ingredient, diethylene glycol.
The devices emitted "tobacco-specific nitrosamines which are human carcinogens."
The devices emitted "tobacco-specific impurities suspected of being harmful to humans."
The FDA news conference also featured experts who issued strong warnings against e-cigarettes.

That's a REALLY OLD report and has been throughly blown out of the water.

People in Singapore, Mexico and Canada can't get ecigs in part, because of our brilliant >sarcasm<
FDA. I've lost track of the number "FDA Approved" drugs that have been pulled off the market in the past 15 years because they later turned out to be dangerous. The FDA is so in bed with the pharmaceutical industry in this country it is criminal.

The FDA is a really bad joke on the world. They do not deserve the esteem in which they seem to be held. Our tax dollars at work (NOT).